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#PlayFrampton
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Yep. However what we do not want to see is Frampton in and Marshall out.
We wont play Marshall and Frampton together. If we were, we would have done it
We wont play Marshall and Frampton together. If we were, we would have done it
Simple then. Drop Marshall, he was a liability.
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This makes absolutely no sense.We wont play Marshall and Frampton together. If we were, we would have done it
There's so many around on this forum that are really refusing to accept what we're seeing from Marshall. However the reality is he is a massive liability, he is completely ineffective, rarely creates contests, almost never takes important grabs, rarely commands the ball and just gets beaten and bodied by defenders way too easily. On a really brutal level he also regularly puts in many soft efforts with his laconic approach.
NO ONE doubts the fact we need a key tall in the side, and NO ONE doubts he has a future, but Marshall is not beyond criticism and right now is just frankly not deserving of holding that position based on his current impact.
Marshall is averaging this year:
9 Touches a game
5 effective disposals a game
2.8 marks per game
0.8 contested marks per game
0.5 goals per game
1.7 tackles per game
That's some scarily bad numbers.
Against the Crows he had 7 touches, including 3 clangers and his lack of impact was so obvious we had no choice but to throw Dougal down forward.
One thing has become clear, Marshall wont and can't be a #1 forward. He is a Westhoff style #2 or #3 forward, and to succeed not only does he need to get his confidence and touch going in the SANFL, but he needs a player like Charlie to feed off.
So the question becomes what do we have in the SANFL and we quite obviously have a player who is older, stronger, a better contested mark, and has proven he is in form. Frampton must get a gig next week ahead of Marshall there is no doubt of that. Frampton can and should play the Dixon role that we are so badly missing, but the question for the selectors to answer is can we support Frampton, Westhoff, Ryder & Marshall as key forwards, in the same team, or do we just play Frampton instead of Marshall. Marshall's form should improve with the support of a Frampton, but we may become too slow up forward.
IMO it's Frampton for Marshall, and we back Westy & Ryder in to provide support.
Only replying to the first part as I think this is the bit that is causing the debate.There's so many around on this forum that are really refusing to accept what we're seeing from Marshall. However the reality is he is a massive liability, he is completely ineffective, rarely creates contests, almost never takes important grabs, rarely commands the ball and just gets beaten and bodied by defenders way too easily. On a really brutal level he also regularly puts in many soft efforts with his laconic approach.
NO ONE doubts the fact we need a key tall in the side, and NO ONE doubts he has a future, but Marshall is not beyond criticism and right now is just frankly not deserving of holding that position based on his current impact.
Marshall is averaging this year:
9 Touches a game
5 effective disposals a game
2.8 marks per game
0.8 contested marks per game
0.5 goals per game
1.7 tackles per game
That's some scarily bad numbers.
Against the Crows he had 7 touches, including 3 clangers and his lack of impact was so obvious we had no choice but to throw Dougal down forward.
One thing has become clear, Marshall wont and can't be a #1 forward. He is a Westhoff style #2 or #3 forward, and to succeed not only does he need to get his confidence and touch going in the SANFL, but he needs a player like Charlie to feed off.
So the question becomes what do we have in the SANFL and we quite obviously have a player who is older, stronger, a better contested mark, and has proven he is in form. Frampton must get a gig next week ahead of Marshall there is no doubt of that. Frampton can and should play the Dixon role that we are so badly missing, but the question for the selectors to answer is can we support Frampton, Westhoff, Ryder & Marshall as key forwards, in the same team, or do we just play Frampton instead of Marshall. Marshall's form should improve with the support of a Frampton, but we may become too slow up forward.
IMO it's Frampton for Marshall, and we back Westy & Ryder in to provide support.
True, but the point is the #2 and #3 forward spots are occupied by Ryder and Westy, and for mine I would stick with them a little longer. But exactly as you say, the question for the selectors is do they put Marshall into the #2 spot even though he is horribly out of form, and just expect he will turn it around instantly?Summary of this post: "Marshall can't play as the #1 forward, only as the #2. So let's bring in somebody to play as the #1 forward which would allow Marshall to play as the #2, and then immediately drop him".
The current set up absolutely isn't working. But Frampton should be playing alongside Marshall, not instead of. If Marshall continues to stink it up in a proper forward structure, then that's different.
True, but the point is the #2 and #3 forward spots are occupied by Ryder and Westy, and for mine I would stick with them a little longer. But exactly as you say, the question for the selectors is do they put Marshall into the #2 spot even though he is horribly out of form, and just expect he will turn it around instantly?
For mine, send Marshall back, get him back in form and leave Frampton surrounded by experience to give him his best chance to succeed. If/When Marshall hits some solid continuous form then we need to look at how the forward line can structure with him in it.
That's becoming a joke fast, Ryder has been soft up forward himself.IMO it's Frampton for Marshall, and we back Westy & Ryder in to provide support.
Westhoff should not be included in being called a forward. Our ideal setup is #1 KPF - Dixon/Frampton, #2 KPF - Marshall, #3 KPF - resting ruck.True, but the point is the #2 and #3 forward spots are occupied by Ryder and Westy, and for mine I would stick with them a little longer. But exactly as you say, the question for the selectors is do they put Marshall into the #2 spot even though he is horribly out of form, and just expect he will turn it around instantly?
For mine, send Marshall back, get him back in form and leave Frampton surrounded by experience to give him his best chance to succeed. If/When Marshall hits some solid continuous form then we need to look at how the forward line can structure with him in it.