2019 Non-Crows AFL Chat Part 2

[Geoffa32]

What is it with the media overrating Port every year?

They’ve done nothing since 2014, they’ve proven time and time again to be head cases that find new ways to embarrass themselves and yet they are rated, why?

Cos Cardone is a Port Board member. He own a.production company that produces a fair bit of Footy media.

If you want a job in Footy media you have say the right things.







Also need to remember Kern is part.of the Victorian/Geelong Footy family and well liked.

Combination of the two means they will always get cheap praise.


I.reckon Kern has the safest job in Foott for the next two seasons. They can't afford to sack him this year. Sacking him this year is a near $2m expense. Nor would the AFL allow a coach to be sacked with two years left on his contract. Plus doing so is an admission by Kochie he was wrong in extending Kern.

Next year is their 150th celebration. Doubt they would sack a coach then. Plus again it will be expensive. Port really can't afford to pay out his contract. He would be on decent coin, as he used the threat of leaving to negotiate his extension.

I really hope Port make Finals and win one in 2021. Wont be sacked then and could even get another extension.

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[treeman]

What is it with the media overrating Port every year?

They’ve done nothing since 2014, they’ve proven time and time again to be head cases that find new ways to embarrass themselves and yet they are rated, why?

We know them better than any of the Victorian media commentators.

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[Truck25]

What is it with the media overrating Port every year?

They’ve done nothing since 2014, they’ve proven time and time again to be head cases that find new ways to embarrass themselves and yet they are rated, why?

I think it's an AFL directive to the media, they need the pear talked up to maximize memberships because if they don't the AFL will be stuck with the bill.

 

[footy4ever]

What is it with the media overrating Port every year?

They’ve done nothing since 2014, they’ve proven time and time again to be head cases that find new ways to embarrass themselves and yet they are rated, why?

You seriously have to wonder how many pockets Port are filling, buying positive PR (not with their own money of course ha ha). We know it's fact on AA. We know Kane and Rucci do it gratis, but it really did get to ridiculous proportions, regardless of Port's off-field idiocy and it's on-field failure after failure. *media shakes head*

 

[footy4ever]

.......

I really hope Port make Finals and win one in 2021. Wont be sacked then and could even get another extension.

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No

Nope

Nopitty no no nope.

I hope they fall agonisingly short of the finals with a Freo goal after the siren in the last round.

 

[footy4ever]

We know them better than any of the Victorian media commentators.

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This is undeniable fact.

 

[Bay62]

So much schadenfreude in the lost faith in Hinkley thread

The screenshots comparing Hinkley pondering his coke zero order (their words) and Pyke on the bench giving instructions particularly smile inducing

I like the photo someone posted earlier of Ken sitting there with no notes in front of him. No paper, no pen, nothing.

Must be a genius to keep it all in his head

 

[footy4ever]

I think it's an AFL directive to the media, they need the pear talked up to maximize memberships because if they don't the AFL will be stuck with the bill.

Quite possibly part of it. The AFL go out of their way to ensure positive China Farce coverage, and even create fake news to falsify the appearance of success.

 

[Geoffa32]

I like the photo someone posted earlier of Ken sitting there with no notes in front of him. No paper, no pen, nothing.

Must be a genius to keep it all in his head

And no communication with anyone.



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[Bay62]

And no communication with anyone.



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Yeah, and no one else seems to have any notes either

Bizarre

 

[subaru]

No mention of his soft as butter brother’s total squibbing !

 

[AFC3000]

And no communication with anyone.

The assistants coach and Ken sits there trying to work out what happened 5 minutes ago while trying to fit "we are Port Adelaide" "we will never give in" and "the creed" into his quarter time motivational speech for the 200th time.

Hopefully, they keep him for a long time, preference B is they sack him towards the end of his contract, Voss takes over, goes ok, and they give him a few years.

 

[Crow till I die]

What is it with the media overrating Port every year?

They’ve done nothing since 2014, they’ve proven time and time again to be head cases that find new ways to embarrass themselves and yet they are rated, why?

It is a green shoots thing..like with carlton

 

[subaru]

Time to look at this **** again. This time, I'm gonna give you time stamps so you can follow what I'm talking about.

Q1

19:10 - Not sure that this was a free kick to Matt Crouch - in his back I guess from Powell-Pepper. But whatever. Of course it's Fisher who pays it.

18:42 - Can anyone explain to me why Byrne-Jones didn't bend over and pick up the ball here? If the Adelaide player was holding him back from doing so, it's a free kick. If he just simply stood there when a ball was accidentally kicked along the ground by Powell-Pepper, then that's ****.

18:23 - Ryder couldn't even be bothered to jump and take a contested mark when he was in space against his opponent - if he had presented at the ball and took a contested grab it would have set the tone early. Instead, he palms it down...to a Crows player who is waiting in front. ******* soft.

18:18 - Good attack by Drew on Ellis-Yolmen catching him on the blind side. Ball spills out to Duursma...and ******* Sam Gray doesn't shepherd for him at all, instead sweating off for the handball receive. Ends up in a turnover. **** you, Frodo. Don't you EVER berate a young player for not handpassing to you when you can't be bother setting a shepherd for him!

18:06 - Great tip intercept by Houston to disrupt the switch of play. Amon gets the resultant crumb and kicks a scrubber kick to Westhoff on the lead. If Westhoff was smart, he wouldn't have taken possession because Talia was right on his hammer and was tackling him as he did so. It would have been a free kick. Sadly, he's not smart. Ends up as a kick out of bounds by Marshall in the pocket. Nothing you could do there.

17:46 - I'm not sure why Houston thought it was a good idea just to send the ball back into the 50 without actually looking. The kick gets smothered anyway, but I'd like to know what his reason for this was, because it wasn't like Adelaide didn't have numbers back. He had Clurey and Drew waiting for the hand ball receive who could have assessed their options better. Luckily Burton was there to clean up the mess.

17:35 - Now, please go to this part of the game, and answer me this. What the **** was Byrne-Jones doing waving away Powell-Pepper from giving Duursma a short option and not concentrating on making sure that Duursma wasn't put under pressure by the Adelaide player that Byrne-Jones wasn't paying any attention to (but he knew was there because he pointed to Powell-Pepper to pick him up)? He literally looks as though he's trying to defend Duursma's kick. Powell-Pepper was further away from Duursma and was stretching the ground - it was Byrne-Jones' job to set the block for Duursma so he could get around...but instead he's screaming for the **** possession. Disgustingly selfish football.

17:14 - Drew should have went with the handball over the top to Powell-Pepper here. Peps is in clear space out the back of three Adelaide players and instead the ball gets smothered. Dumb.

16:29 - Marshall. **** me. What the **** was this kick? It was a stab pass to an Adelaide player. But what was even worse was the absolutely RIDICULOUS FREE KICK that was paid for incorrect disposal against Farrell. He literally picks up the ball and gets tackled and the ball spills out. He didn't throw it, it slipped out of his arm as he was trying to control it. You have to have intent to throw the ball. That is NOT incorrect disposal because he didn't have a prior opportunity. Don't listen to ****head Russell, he's got no idea about the rules. This forward thrust should have been a goal, and instead we got nothing for it.

16:00 - This is where Burton does his hamstring. You can see him reach for it in the contest with Betts. Literally 4 minutes into the game. Shouldn't have stayed on the ground.

14:34 - Burton kicks around the corner to Westhoff who is bearing down on Laird with Hartigan on his hammer, but Westhoff can't even halve the contest.

13:45 - Time to retire Westhoff. If you can't judge a perfectly weighted kick by Amon and take an aerial mark under no pressure from anyone, you're a liability. He literally went underneath the flight of the ball and had to stretch behind to get hands to the ball.

13:00 - How come Farrell can halve a contest and our so called key forwards can't?

12:44 - I'm really not a fan of Lienert on the last line of defence. He takes too ******* long to make a switch and always does stupid **** like dropping to his knees to take a mark instead of moving forward and catching it on his chest. This is when Burton comes off the ground.

12:24 - Broadbent fumbles a ball that ordinarily he'd take cleanly...rusty.

12:16 - Why does Lycett try to gather a ball that Motlop had covered?

12:00 - Marshall halving a contest. That's what we need from him.

10:30 - Excellent forward pressure results in a shot on goal by Rockliff.

9:09 - A **** half-hearted attempt at a tackle by Amon on Murphy. Crap football.

8:49 - When you're switching the play, generally you're safe enough to kick it long, Clurey. We had a man free all on his own beyond the defensive 50 arc and if he had just kicked properly to Boak we would have been away.

8:10 - Duursma gets what I call a **** clearance. Wines is a master of these. Any kick out of a stoppage where you don't know where the kick is going - that invariably winds up in a turnover, is a **** clearance. And that's what happened here.

7:58 - Houston should have trusted Johnson to get there and brought the kick inboard a little more instead of heading for the boundary. I reckon Johnson would have Brown covered in a foot race.

6:35 - Mackay kicks a goal because our defenders can't get a body on him in traffic. Crap defending.

6:04 - We have two opportunities to score a goal - the first one is when Boak overcooks his kick to our forwards who were goal side of their opponents and the ball goes out of bounds. The second is the resulting turnover that ends up with Amon on the 50m arc on the run.

5:26 - Another riddle. Travis Boak gets the ball in the centre corridor. He looks up at the forward line. He kicks the ball from just beyond the centre circle to true centre half forward - a 40m kick. Can someone tell me why Justin Westhoff isn't close to this area of the ground and instead is seen about 70m away from the play, while Marshall is sandwiched between two Adelaide defenders around 60m away? Just retire, Justin. If you're not going to play properly and don't want to get hurt, **** off. Seriously.

4:47 - Taila has no intention other than to get the ball out of bounds. Should have been a free kick for deliberate. Guess who? Leigh Fisher.

3:10 - If you wanted proof that Adelaide was playing a counter-attacking **** style, look no further than the fact after a turnover at centre wing, they had 9 players either in or near their defensive 50 on 6 Port Adelaide players. Which means they weren't pushing up their players until they were deep in attack.

1:34 - Houston wouldn't have slipped if Fisher wasn't so ******* quick to call play on. I don't think he even went off his line.


Summary

It's impossible to roll off and play on at all costs when the opposition are keeping 3 extra players behind the ball all the time. It requires a level of precision and skill that we just don't have. If the AFL wants to encourage attacking football, they need to stop this sort of **** from happening, because it turns the game into a contested slop and the equivalent of parking the bus.

However, if the opposition are keeping 3 extra players back, it means that we had 3 extra players that weren't getting involved in working hard to move the ball quickly. We need players who shepherd for one another, aren't concerned about racking up useless stats that go nowhere.

You know what we needed in that situation? Billy Frampton. Adelaide were keeping players back because they were worried about our speed, which made our speed redundant because we didn't have anyone they needed to worry about in the air. Yeah, we had great forward line pressure, but pressure is nothing but a means to an end, which is kicking goals.

But we did okayish - should have had at least two goals from the effort we put in.

Players I'd drop after that quarter: Westhoff

On to Q2.

Q2

19:55 - Excellent secondary effort from Ryder to tackle Matt Crouch, which results in a goal to Powell-Pepper. That's what we need from the primary ruck. Rozee doing some nice shepherding work for the goal as well.

19:35 - What was Lycett doing coming up to the centre square? If we had won the centre clearance, he would have been out of the play. I can't imagine that would be a coaching instruction, and if it was, it's a ******* dumb one.

19:10 - Ryder just can't trap the ball cleanly in front of goal - unlucky.

19:03 - Houston not getting behind the ball to pick it up and instead getting over the top of it. Broadbent shows him how it's done seconds later.

18:48 - Yep, **** off out of the team Westhoff. Your inability to make a contest is ******* ****. Leaving Marshall 3 on 1 all the time is ridiculous.

18:25 - Adelaide players would constantly have an arm around one of our players before they even took possession of the ball. If the umpires don't call that ****, it's going to end up in the crap display we saw.

18:15 - I'm not sure if the kick by Matt Crouch was by luck or design that it went so high in the air. I'm gonna say luck, which is why Walker was able to mark it.

17:29 - How the **** could Leigh Fisher, the cheating ******* campaigner, call Marshall's mark touched when he was so far away from the play and saw it from side on? He just guessed.

16:31 - Where was the handball out of defence? Why were our players constantly kicking dump kicks out of defensive 50 instead of using the players they had around them? Adelaide's pressure was good, but it wasn't THAT good.

16:32 - Another riddle: Talia takes an intercept mark in the centre square on Marshall. Byrne-Jones is in the corner of the centre square, but starts to move across to the centre to take up that position...however, Powell-Pepper is also moving to that position and is obviously going to get there before him. By the time Talia takes his kick, he spots up Ellis-Yolmen who leads to the position where Byrne-Jones was. ******* insane.

16:04 - The second, like it, is this: Why was Ryder 5m from the edge of the 50m arc when Ellis-Yolmen delivered his kick into our defensive 50, yet when Boak kicks the ball coming out of defence he's 15m away from it? Bearing in mind that the place Boak kicked to was exactly where Ryder had been not more than 10 seconds later? That **** up ended as a goal to Atkins. Three Adelaide players by themselves and no Ryder to compete. ******* ludicrous. If he was moving back to the centre square because he thought we would concede a goal, I'd drop him and never play him again.

15:26 - Motlop calling for the ball from Duursma while hemmed on the boundary was stupid. Powell-Pepper was telling the kid to take the shot, and that's what he should have done. A potential score turned into nothing.

15:10 - These commentators are ******* ****. I swear the goal review umpire just listens to the commentators and judges it based on what they say. The footage was inconclusive and Brown says as much, but for the review to come back that it was definitively a behind from that grainy as **** footage and not umpire's call is ridiculous.

14:47 - Yet another fine example of team first football by Byrne-Jones. Instead of laying the block on his man for Howard to gather and dispose of the ball cleanly, he just lets him go past and put pressure on Dougal. And why? Because he wanted the cheap possession.

13:45 - Walker blatantly blocks Clurey from trying to mark the ball - he turns and ******* LOOKS at him before crashing into him because he knew the ball was going over his head...and gets paid the free. I always thought that if you took your eyes off the ball and looked at your opponent it was an automatic block in the marking contest. Un-*******-believable. Clurey says so too 'He's not even looking at the ball!' And if I see Dwayne Russell in person, I'm going to tell him that Walker is booed because he's a *******, and to not pretend that he speaks for us.

12:38 - Not sure why it's okay for Adelaide players to tackle our players when they are about to take possession, but when we do it it's holding the man. And Lynch DID take possession of the ball. Who was it again? Leigh 'I'm a rancid aborted fetus' Fisher. Ends up in a goal that shouldn't have been. At best it's a holding the ball, at worst you call it play on, you cheating ******* campaigner.

10:45 - Rozee knows how to finish.

10:23 - Another **** forward 50 entry, this time from Duursma, to an Adelaide defender who is playing in front of their man. He had Johnson for the handball receive inside but nope, turning the ball over is a better option.

9:26 - Why was Powell-Pepper constantly playing behind Brown?

8:43 - Another **** forward 50 entry, this time from Johnson, kicking the ball on the top of Westhoff's head so Talia could spoil it easily instead of out in front of him into space so he could mark it. I don't blame Westhoff for that.

7:20 - Rozee knows how to finish...but isn't a superstar. Yet.

6:35 - That souless **** Lynch didn't deserve that goal. Pure ******* arse.

6:03 - ******* lazy by Drew not to pick up the ball and instead just soccer it at goals. The gods only smile on one redhead per game, Williem, and it was Lynch's turn.

5:40 - 4 Adelaide players on 2 Port players inside 50. Could have been a goal, but instead of Westhoff laying the bump on the Adelaide player and letting Johnson walk into goal, Westhoff instead peels off for a ridiculous handball receive and we cough up an easy score. This is a common theme in this game - players playing for themselves.

3:45 - Powell-Pepper soccers at goal - earns a point. This really wasn't a game for any structured system, that's for sure.

2:51 - I can't believe Johnson just didn't burn Talia for pace and get around him first before delivering to a ******* WIDE OPEN Westhoff. I didn't realise that it was Talia on him. That's ******* INSANE. ANOTHER goal gone begging. And why? Because Johnson is ******* lazy.

56% to 57% kicking efficiency to half time. That's how ******* **** and scrappy it was.


Summary

Our team has this huge problem with playing team football. Everyone is looking after themselves instead of doing the team things like blocking, shepherding, laying bumps on opponents and making it easy for the ball carrier to do his job. When the pressure is on, the endeavour might be there, but the trust isn't.

Players I'd drop after that quarter: Westhoff, Johnson, Ryder

Heat Maps outdoing Floghard Road

And this is only the first half !!!!

 

[Crow till I die]

I'd just like to rehash my highlight for the weekend. With a minute left in the first half Pyke was on the bench giving instruction and direction to players sitting next to him, meanwhile Kern was sat in the coaches box with his headset on the desk and a confused look on his face.

Too true. Get down to the coal face and instruct 1st hand what you want each player to do as they come off and go on..better than chinese whispers with the runners

 

[subaru]

Heat Maps sometimes things happen. Like when you walk into the Adelaide Oval and you go to scan your entrance ticket and you have the barcode up the wrong way. You didnt mean for that to happen but unfortunately it did. The difference between you and the Port players, is that they don't publicly lambast you and suggest you are ****** They dont want you to have to lose your job. They don't even suggest you turn around and go home. So maybe next time you make a mistake let us all know, so we can rip strips off you publicly.
What once was an interesting and enjoyable forum is now becoming anything but that due to your negativity.

Hahahahaha

That board is hilarious after a Showdown !

 

[subaru]

Too true. Get down to the coal face and instruct 1st hand what you want each player to do as they come off and go on..better than chinese whispers with the runners

This was the turning point I believe
Maybe messages are best delivered eye to eye

I think Don Pyke has a mean death stare about him !

 

[jenny61_99]

Hahahahaha

That board is hilarious after a Showdown !

But I thought HeatMaps (love that nickname) was ALL about positivity? The Club was doing everything right?

And to be fair... our board is hilarious after a showdown too.

 

[kirky]

They wouldn't allow the 100k wine collection and the pony? Fascist bastards!

Who has a pony?

Won't give up on getting on. Will up my game for the next audition, you have to and got my Survivor buff from the USA.

We really have an opportunity to set up our season the next 5 weeks.

 

[kirky]

No

Nope

Nopitty no no nope.

I hope they fall agonisingly short of the finals with a Freo goal after the siren in the last round.

Agree, never give a sucker and even break.

 

[ChilliP]

Geelong has generally started pretty strong in the Dangerfield era, but as the season goes on their stars have gotten niggling injuries and struggle to carry the team on their shoulders by the end of the year. At certain times in 2017, they looked as frightening as they do now, but by the time they made it to the prelim they were a shadow of a side.

 

[jackster83]

Geelong has generally started pretty strong in the Dangerfield era, but as the season goes on their stars have gotten niggling injuries and struggle to carry the team on their shoulders by the end of the year. At certain times in 2017, they looked as frightening as they do now, but by the time they made it to the prelim they were a shadow of a side.

A decent side would have made them pay yesterday. North kept overusing the ball and fumbling at crucial times.

 

[footy4ever]

........
And to be fair... our board is hilarious after a showdown too.

...especially the last 7 out of 8...or 8 out of the last 10...it's easier to be light hearted and funny if you're a Crows supporter

Anyways Jen, unlock the gates, fire up the generator, put the kettle on...I'm flying to Brizzy for Crows at the Gabba. Yeehah!

 

[rocket18]

I'd just like to rehash my highlight for the weekend. With a minute left in the first half Pyke was on the bench giving instruction and direction to players sitting next to him, meanwhile Kern was sat in the coaches box with his headset on the desk and a confused look on his face.

Was that when they had a split screen with both coaches on?

Pyke was in deep discussion with Lynch, gesturing and talking tactics.

Ken looked like a stunned mullet, no notes or tablet in front of him, not talking, no headset. Looked totally clueless.

 

[PrideoSA]

Geelong has generally started pretty strong in the Dangerfield era, but as the season goes on their stars have gotten niggling injuries and struggle to carry the team on their shoulders by the end of the year. At certain times in 2017, they looked as frightening as they do now, but by the time they made it to the prelim they were a shadow of a side.

Hopefully they drop off later in the year, God help us if Dangerflog wins a premiership