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Please be aware that the tolerance of anti-trans language on BF is at an all-time low. Jokes and insults that are trans-related, as well as anti-trans and bigoted rhetoric will be met with infractions, threadbans etc as required. It's a sensitive (and important) topic, so behave like well-mannered adults when discussing it, PARTICULARLY when disagreeing. This equally applies across the whole site.
 
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I believe we have those numbers today because it has become more socially permissable. How many years had homosexuals (for example) done things 'in the closet' so to speak? They've always been around, same as those who believe they were born to the wrong gender. They wwere forced to the shadows but they've always existed.

They just have more options to actually live their lives as they see fit amongst a biodiverse humanity these days, which is no bad thing.

There's no evidence that there was an undercurrent of young people in history who would have changed gender if it was socially permissible. What we are seeing is a political movement that has allowed some health professionals to encourage kids who express doubts about their gender to transition to the opposite sex, and of course make a nice little earner. In the UK the girls number referred for treatment rose by more than 4,000% in less than a decade.

It's much more complicated than allowing people to live their lives as they see fit, and there is big potential downside.

For example, children do not have the maturity to make the best decisions for themselves but their parents wishes are being overridden by the state. In Canada, a recent ruling means that a 14-year-old girl can begin receiving testosterone injections without parental consent. The ruling also mean that if either of the girl’s parents refer to their daughter as a girl, they will be considered guilty of family violence under the Canadian Family Law Act. Dr. Wallace Wong, the psychologist at the heart of heart of the case, runs a children-only “gender therapy” practice, with his youngest client not yet three years old. His practice began in 2010 with just four kids, and in nine years now has more than 500 kids just from orphans and foster kids who are in the care of the British Colombia Ministry of Children and Family.

Gender dysphoria is commonly associated with other mental health conditions including higher risk of suicide. Changing ones body by hormone therapy and surgery has been shown to have some short term positive effects. But in the long term there seems to be continued psychological trauma and increased suicide. There is also substantial health risk for individuals receiving hormone treatment. Transgendering men suffered more than twice as many strokes as women or non-transitioning men. And more than five times as many deep vein clots as women or non-transitioning men. They suffered more than twice as many heart attacks as women. Transgendering women suffered almost four times as many heart attacks as non-transitioning women.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.118.038584

I think a better approach would be to not encourage gender dysphoria in children - most of it dissipates with age. And treat it as part of a more general dissociative disorder where the goal is to align the person to their biological sex, along with resolving their other issues. Of course, a flexible approach is required but currently the ideology is dominating the issue to the detriment of the individuals affected.
 
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There's no evidence that there was an undercurrent of young people in history who would have changed gender if it was socially permissible. What we are seeing is a political movement that has allowed some health professionals to encourage kids who express doubts about their gender to transition to the opposite sex, and of course make a nice little earner. In the UK the girls number referred for treatment rose by more than 4,000% in less than a decade.

It's much more complicated than allowing people to live their lives as they see fit, and there is big potential downside.

For example, children do not have the maturity to make the best decisions for themselves but their parents wishes are being overridden by the state. In Canada, a recent ruling means that a 14-year-old girl can begin receiving testosterone injections without parental consent. The ruling also mean that if either of the girl’s parents refer to their daughter as a girl, they will be considered guilty of family violence under the Canadian Family Law Act. Dr. Wallace Wong, the psychologist at the heart of heart of the case, runs a children-only “gender therapy” practice, with his youngest client not yet three years old. His practice began in 2010 with just four kids, and in nine years now has more than 500 kids just from orphans and foster kids who are in the care of the British Colombia Ministry of Children and Family.

Gender dysphoria is commonly associated with other mental health conditions including higher risk of suicide. Changing ones body by hormone therapy and surgery has been shown to have some short term positive effects. But in the long term there seems to be continued psychological trauma and increased suicide. There is also substantial health risk for individuals receiving hormone treatment. Transgendering men suffered more than twice as many strokes as women or non-transitioning men. And more than five times as many deep vein clots as women or non-transitioning men. They suffered more than twice as many heart attacks as women. Transgendering women suffered almost four times as many heart attacks as non-transitioning women.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.118.038584

I think a better approach would be to not encourage gender dysphoria in children - most of it dissipates with age. And treat it as part of a more general dissociative disorder where the goal is to align the person to their biological sex, along with resolving their other issues. Of course, a flexible approach is required but currently the ideology is dominating the issue to the detriment of the individuals affected.

It will be blamed on the patriarchy.
 
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Yeah, these are the problems.

Not obesity, lack of education, religion, health.

It's making sure we don't let kids know that it's OK to be gay or trans. Because that's 'encouraging homosexuality' et al, which has been on the rise since it was legalised...


The 2016 Census counted just under 46,800 same-sex couples living together in Australia. This represents a 39% increase since the 2011 Census. Younger people accounted for almost all of the increase in the number of same-sex couples between the 2011 and 2016 Censuses. Half (51%) of the increase was for the cohort aged 20-29 years in 2016, with an additional 35% of the increase in the cohort aged 30-39 years in 2016.

Is the increase of same-sex couples living together a sign of child manipulation? Or a sign that society is gradually shifting to understand that homosexuality is OK?
 

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There goes another thread


You have that right.
The people here who are claiming that things are "social constructs" are rather ignorant of more than one scientific field and don't seem to understand much about science (other than the "popular" version), but those who are arguing with them about it are doing a very poor job.

I think I'll go and hide in a fridge.
 
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You have that right.
The people here who are claiming that things are "social constructs" are rather ignorant of more than one scientific field and don't seem to understand much about science (other than the "popular" version), but those who are arguing with them about it are doing a very poor job.

I think I'll go and hide in a fridge.


Twits who cannot be employed in proper scientific positions are permeating throughout politics, the bureaucracy & media and polluting the world with crap.
 

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Yeah, these are the problems.

Not obesity, lack of education, religion, health.

It's making sure we don't let kids know that it's OK to be gay or trans. Because that's 'encouraging homosexuality' et al, which has been on the rise since it was legalised...


The 2016 Census counted just under 46,800 same-sex couples living together in Australia. This represents a 39% increase since the 2011 Census. Younger people accounted for almost all of the increase in the number of same-sex couples between the 2011 and 2016 Censuses. Half (51%) of the increase was for the cohort aged 20-29 years in 2016, with an additional 35% of the increase in the cohort aged 30-39 years in 2016.

Is the increase of same-sex couples living together a sign of child manipulation? Or a sign that society is gradually shifting to understand that homosexuality is OK?
Neither the question nor the answer need to be either/or.
 

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I was reading the other day, that staff from the Tavistock Gender Clinic are leaving for moral grounds etc. They are likening it to child experimentation. Children as young as 12 are being administered hormones and the numbers being admitted are increasing by the 1000's.

I've said before, leave the children alone. Let them decide as adults whether this is what they want.

I'm sick to the stomach that this agenda driven or else what? is the reason for this escalation of need??
 

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I was reading the other day, that staff from the Tavistock Gender Clinic are leaving for moral grounds etc. They are likening it to child experimentation. Children as young as 12 are being administered hormones and the numbers being admitted are increasing by the 1000's.

I've said before, leave the children alone. Let them decide as adults whether this is what they want.

I'm sick to the stomach that this agenda driven or else what? is the reason for this escalation of need??
It’s like lobotomies. For which the leading practitioner won a Nobel prize. Only a few decades later people were horrified at the practice, and the same will happen here.
 

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There are two genders of homo sapiens. Homo sapiens with an XX chromosome pattern are female, and homo sapiens with an XY chromosome pattern are male. It is that simple. A male can never become female and a female can never become male.

Let's say a biological male who identifies and lives as a female (whether a pre or post operative transgender) gets lost in the bush and dies, with the body not found for 20 years. By this time the skeleton is all that remains, and from examination of the skull and bone structure the pathologists will immediately determine that the body is that of a male. If any hair samples remain, analysis will show them having an XY genetic structure rather than XX.

Just when will this madness end?
 

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There are two genders of homo sapiens. Homo sapiens with an XX chromosome pattern are female, and homo sapiens with an XY chromosome pattern are male. It is that simple. A male can never become female and a female can never become male.

Let's say a biological male who identifies and lives as a female (whether a pre or post operative transgender) gets lost in the bush and dies, with the body not found for 20 years. By this time the skeleton is all that remains, and from examination of the skull and bone structure the pathologists will immediately determine that the body is that of a male. If any hair samples remain, analysis will show them having an XY genetic structure rather than XX.

Just when will this madness end?

Which one do XXY people fall into?
 
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Your news source is the Daily Signal .The publication focuses on political commentary from a conservative perspective. It is published by conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation.
The video is not a news report
 

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Your news source is the Daily Signal .The publication focuses on political commentary from a conservative perspective. It is published by conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation.
So like The Guardian but at the other end of the political spectrum.
 

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Your news source is the Daily Signal .The publication focuses on political commentary from a conservative perspective. It is published by conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation.

Yeah it is a right leaning news source

But what is the difference between that and when Buzzfeed and Vice (etc.),left leaning news sources, report on transgender athletes and how wonderful and inclusive it is?

Buzzfeed and Vice are just as biased
 

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Yeah it is a right leaning news source

But what is the difference between that and when Buzzfeed and Vice (etc.),left leaning news sources, report on transgender athletes and how wonderful and inclusive it is?

Buzzfeed and Vice are just as biased
I don't look at Buzzfeeed and I've never heard of Vice. I tend to look at legitimate news sources who print facts not right wing 'news' that use high production values to dump on transgender people.I agree that transgender shouldn't race in the women's races but that video had christian hate all over it.The only thing that was missing was the snowflake tears from the homophobic girl.
 
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I don't look at Buzzfeeed and I've never heard of Vice. I tend to look at legitimate news sources who print facts not right wing 'news' that use high production values to dump on transgender people.I agree that transgender shouldn't race in the women's races but that video had christian hate all over it.The only thing that was missing was the snowflake tears from the homophobic girl.
Sounds like you are xenophobic to the views of immigrants
 

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I don't look at Buzzfeeed and I've never heard of Vice. I tend to look at legitimate news sources who print facts not right wing 'news' that use high production values to dump on transgender people.I agree that transgender shouldn't race in the women's races but that video had christian hate all over it.The only thing that was missing was the snowflake tears from the homophobic girl.

You might not, but plenty do and that's where they get their views from. You can add Vox to the Vice News & Buzzfeed mix. Virtue signallers basically
 
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