Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 11

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A bit old now, but I've thoroughly been enjoying the rabid Crowbots foaming all over this statement from Terry Wallace. He's copped a hiding.



Wallace would be right. And having 8 of your best 18 back in would make a massive difference.


If we were well coached.
 
Rumour is Essendon are going to take former Port Adelaide player Jimmy Toumpas in the mid season draft.... what ******* idiots!
Surely not? He's not even that good at SANFL level.
 

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Interesting. I saw a similar thing last week that ranked the remaining games. It had our remaining draw as the 4th hardest. So 5th hardest to date, 4th hardest to come. Must be a PAFC factor in there somewhere.

Typical of Port these days, always making things harder than they need to be.
 

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They are a problem whether people like to admit it or not.

8 of your best out hurts any side.

A didn’t say not a problem, not the problem.

Richmond had more then we did and beat us.

Trying to blame our losses is nothing more then a cop out. We should have won all bar the Collingwood game, and that also wasn’t in injuries. They didn’t show up for the first quarter and lost as a result.

Even with our injuries we should be 7-1, and with our next 3 games we could be in a position going into the bye 10-1 with Dixon, Gray, Hartlett, Ebo, Wines and possibly Watts to come back in.

We could (should) be in poll position for the top 2 but as a result of the senior coach, nothing else. We will be fighting for the bottom half of the 8.

“Injuries” are just another excuse Hinkley (and the administration) will roll out as an excuse for another year of underachieving.
 
A didn’t say not a problem, not the problem.

Richmond had more then we did and beat us.

Trying to blame our losses is nothing more then a cop out. We should have won all bar the Collingwood game, and that also wasn’t in injuries. They didn’t show up for the first quarter and lost as a result.

Even with our injuries we should be 7-1, and with our next 3 games we could be in a position going into the bye 10-1 with Dixon, Gray, Hartlett, Ebo, Wines and possibly Watts to come back in.

We could (should) be in poll position for the top 2 but as a result of the senior coach, nothing else. We will be fighting for the bottom half of the 8.

“Injuries” are just another excuse Hinkley (and the administration) will roll out as an excuse for another year of underachieving.

You massively overrate our list if you think we could be 7-1 without Dixon, Hartlett, Watts, Jonas, Gray, Ebert and Wines at various times of the year. Dixon and Jonas are key position players, Watts changes our delivery from defence to the forward line, Wines when in form and not carrying injuries plays like he did against West Coast, and Ebert is a strong mark that requires a decent defender. Not to mention the knock on effect that playing these players has on the team - everyone moves down a rung. Dixon allows Westhoff to play the free roam and puts Marshall down to the third tall, Jonas enables Lienert to push up to the wing like Watts did, Gray gives us another option to throw into the midfield at stoppages etc. Now we are missing Burton, that makes it even worse.

It's the role that the injured players play in the team that is the issue, rather than the amount of players that our injured.
 
You massively overrate our list if you think we could be 7-1 without Dixon, Hartlett, Watts, Jonas, Gray, Ebert and Wines at various times of the year. Dixon and Jonas are key position players, Watts changes our delivery from defence to the forward line, Wines when in form and not carrying injuries plays like he did against West Coast, and Ebert is a strong mark that requires a decent defender. Not to mention the knock on effect that playing these players has on the team - everyone moves down a rung. Dixon allows Westhoff to play the free roam and puts Marshall down to the third tall, Jonas enables Lienert to push up to the wing like Watts did, Gray gives us another option to throw into the midfield at stoppages etc. Now we are missing Burton, that makes it even worse.

It's the role that the injured players play in the team that is the issue, rather than the amount of players that our injured.
Ok then, please explain why in 2017 with probably a better list and a league low in terms of "best 22" out with injury, that Port could only manage a 14-8 record and a first round finals exit?

I'll give you the answer - Ken Hinkley.
 

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Ok then, please explain why in 2017 with probably a better list and a league low in terms of "best 22" out with injury, that Port could only manage a 14-8 record and a first round finals exit?

I'll give you the answer - Ken Hinkley.

I actually thought it was Dixons 3goals 6 behinds and Polecs too high tackle on Shuey but your quite free to change your version of history.
 
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You massively overrate our list if you think we could be 7-1 without Dixon, Hartlett, Watts, Jonas, Gray, Ebert and Wines at various times of the year. Dixon and Jonas are key position players, Watts changes our delivery from defence to the forward line, Wines when in form and not carrying injuries plays like he did against West Coast, and Ebert is a strong mark that requires a decent defender. Not to mention the knock on effect that playing these players has on the team - everyone moves down a rung. Dixon allows Westhoff to play the free roam and puts Marshall down to the third tall, Jonas enables Lienert to push up to the wing like Watts did, Gray gives us another option to throw into the midfield at stoppages etc. Now we are missing Burton, that makes it even worse.

It's the role that the injured players play in the team that is the issue, rather than the amount of players that our injured.

Look at the results. We were better then Brisbane but lost because of our forward line, didn’t take opportunities and let how many intercept marks. Look at Howard and Westhoffs form, swap them over we probably win that game.

Richmond, with all their outs and the facts we had more clearances, more inside 50s but again couldn’t score. Should have won.

And the showdown is the same story. 3 games we lost that we should have won. That makes us 7-1. It’s not about over rating the list. They are games we lost that we shouldn’t have.

Those comments about Dixon are particularly annoying, because they are correct.... Now if only we had a big strong bloke who has kicked 9 goals the last 2 games and could have come in the showdown and released Hoff to a wing and takes pressure off Marshall.

But hey, if hiding behind “injuries” make people feel better go for it. Yea they hurt, yes they make a difference BUT we should have won 3 of the games we lost regardless.
 
I actually thought it was Dixons 3goals 6 behinds and Polecs too high tackle on Shuey but your quite free to change your version of history.
I wasn't revising history, merely stating that even with a full list, Port have failed to achieve under Hinkley.

What if Dixon kicked straight? What if the free wasn't paid? You can deal in hypotheticals, I'll deal in fact.
 
Ok then, please explain why in 2017 with probably a better list and a league low in terms of "best 22" out with injury, that Port could only manage a 14-8 record and a first round finals exit?

I'll give you the answer - Ken Hinkley.

Our list wasn't better in 2017. You can forget Lycett, Drew, Butters, Duursma, Rozee, Burton, Watts, Rockliff and Motlop for starters. Howard, Marshall and Powell-Pepper were either rookies or coming back from injury.
 
Our list wasn't better in 2017. You can forget Lycett, Drew, Butters, Duursma, Rozee, Burton, Watts, Rockliff and Motlop for starters. Howard, Marshall and Powell-Pepper were either rookies or coming back from injury.
Are you going to add in the currently injured players? The players that hadnt quite bottomed out yet before trade? Or allow for the older guys largely being in their prime?

The turnaround in Robbie Gray alone is huge.
 
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