All things re *Paul*'s afltables.com

[SunGirl89]

A different take on the milestone statistics: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#14

Rather than oldest players to have played 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 games ...

... Oldest debutants to have played 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 games:

400 games - Michael Tuck - 18y 331d
350 games - Craig Bradley - 22y 159d
300 games - Craig Bradley - 22y 159d
200 games - Barry Rowlings - 24y 248d
150 games - ???
100 games - ???
50 games - Harry Harker - 32y 138d

 

[SunGirl89]

*Paul*, for the sake of consistency, could you stick with grey shading for finals on all pages, thus on the Venue page use bold for current year games?

https://afltables.com/afl/crowds/vn_showground.html
- grey shading indicates a 2019 match

https://afltables.com/afl/teams/gws/allgames_tm.html#7
- grey shading indicates a finals match

 

[Ron The Bear]

A different take on the milestone statistics: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#14

Rather than oldest players to have played 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 games ...

... Oldest debutants to have played 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 games:

400 games - Michael Tuck - 18y 331d
350 games - Craig Bradley - 22y 159d
300 games - Craig Bradley - 22y 159d
200 games - Barry Rowlings - 24y 248d
150 games - ???
100 games - ???
50 games - Harry Harker - 32y 138d

250 is John Platten - 23y14d
150 is George Angus - 27y55d
100 is Charlie Norris - 28y344d

 

[SunGirl89]

Another post re consistency. Compare these two tables:

https://afltables.com/afl/teams/goldcoast/season.html
https://afltables.com/rl/teams/titans/titans_ss.html

Seasons in reverse order, most NRL columns don't have a heading, hence columns not sortable

 

[scaryness]

I personally would like a section or some tables that have finals removed from season records, or sorted by averages rather than totals.

 

[SunGirl89]

*Paul*, spelling error that someone should have picked up before now.

The former player and coach of Hawthorn and coach of the Bulldogs was ALAN Joyce.

I can find no other record of his name being ALLAN Joyce. It does appear that years ago the wikipedia page was incorrectly ALLAN Joyce.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Allan_Joyce.html
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/Allan_Joyce.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Joyce
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/cp-alan-joyce--45

 

[SunGirl89]

please highlight current players on the left hand side

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#09
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#10
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#11

 

[worbod]

*Paul*, spelling error that someone should have picked up before now.

The former player and coach of Hawthorn and coach of the Bulldogs was ALAN Joyce.

I can find no other record of his name being ALLAN Joyce. It does appear that years ago the wikipedia page was incorrectly ALLAN Joyce.

His name was also spelled as ALLAN in some early editions of The Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers. Maybe some people become confused because of when he took over from Allan Jeans.

 

[Occidental]

Most games between finals

Gms	Player	Fnl#1	Fnl#2	All Gms	Club(s)	Career
254	Jones, Nathan	8	262	264	Me	2006-2018
208	Roos, Paul	104	312	356	Fi,Sy	1982-1998
172	Browning, Mark	57	229	251	Sy	1975-1987
165	Merrett, Roger	131	296	313	Es,Br	1978-1996
164	Mohr, Bill	19	183	195	St	1929-1941
160	Buckley, Nathan	43	203	280	Br,Co	1993-2007
160	Everitt, Peter	115	275	291	St,Ha,Sy	1993-2008
158	Bayes, Mark	61	219	246	Sy	1985-1998
155	Fevola, Brendan	32	187	204	Ca,Br	1999-2010
152	Redden, Jack	10	162	188	Br,WC	2009-2018
150	Eason, Bill	22	172	220	Ge	1902-1915
148	McIvor, Scott	36	184	200	Fi,Br	1985-1997
148	Rocca, Saverio	50	198	257	Co,NM	1992-2006
146	Houlihan, Ryan	36	182	201	Ca	2000-2011
144	Cook, Troy	38	182	193	Sy,Fr	1997-2007
143	Nankervis, Ian J.	40	183	325	Ge	1967-1983
142	Williams, Paul	70	212	306	Co,Sy	1991-2006
141	Patfull, Joel	78	219	220	Br,WS	2006-2016

Most games after last final

Gms	Player	Lst Fnl	Gms	Club(s)	Career
236	Murray, Kevin	97	333	Fi	1955-1974
217	Clegg, Ron	14	231	Sy	1945-1960
213	Round, Barry	115	328	WB,Sy	1969-1985
211	Sarau, Jeff	15	226	St	1973-1983
203	Hampshire, Ian	21	224	Ge,WB	1968-1982
189	Dugdale, John	59	248	NM	1955-1970
182	McLeish, David	31	213	Sy	1969-1980
178	Weightman, Dale	96	274	Ri	1978-1993
172	Fevola, Brendan	32	204	Ca,Br	1999-2010
172	Wilson, Billy P.	13	185	Ri	1944-1954
171	Brown, Nathan G.	48	219	WB,Ri	1997-2009
170	Simmonds, Troy	27	197	Me,Fr,Ri	1999-2010
165	Houlihan, Ryan	36	201	Ca	2000-2011
164	McIvor, Scott	36	200	Fi,Br	1985-1997
163	Davis, Frank	5	168	Me	1964-1973
161	Bowden, Joel	104	265	Ri	1996-2009
160*	Rich, Daniel	23	183	Br	2009-2018
157*	Hooker, Cale	18	175	Es	2008-2018
156	Fields, Neville	44	200	Es,Sy,Es	1969-1982
156	Fowler, Laurie	33	189	Ri,Me	1971-1981
155*	Harbrow, Jarrod	69	224	WB,GC	2007-2018
152	Dwyer, Laurie	49	201	NM	1956-1970
151*	Armitage, David	16	167	St	2007-2018

Hi,
John Dugdale & Laurie Dwyer both played finals in 1958.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Hi,
John Dugdale & Laurie Dwyer both played finals in 1958.

If you look closely there are two tables there. The second one containing Dugdale and Dwyer is "most games since last final".

However when I revisited the query it was apparent something went badly wrong. I've republished the table with fewer entries, and the games counts lowered by 1. Not sure what went wrong, it wasn't a complex calculation.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Patrick Keane tweeted last week that Clarkson was coaching his 333rd game at Hawthorn which drew him level with Allan Jeans, who (according to Keane) coached 333 games at St Kilda. But AFLtables has Jeans down for 332 games with St Kilda.

Similarly, Keane tweeted that Jock McHale coached Collingwood in 714 games, but AFLtables has him down for 713 games.

Not sure if it is easy to verify, and I'm sure the AFL has it wrong, but it would be interesting to see whether adjustments need to be made.

 

[35Daicos]

Patrick Keane tweeted last week that Clarkson was coaching his 333rd game at Hawthorn which drew him level with Allan Jeans, who (according to Keane) coached 333 games at St Kilda. But AFLtables has Jeans down for 332 games with St Kilda.

Similarly, Keane tweeted that Jock McHale coached Collingwood in 714 games, but AFLtables has him down for 713 games.

Not sure if it is easy to verify, and I'm sure the AFL has it wrong, but it would be interesting to see whether adjustments need to be made.

I'm not sure about the Clarkson/Jeans situation, but in the McHale case the discrepancy would be explained by the fact that AFL Tables counts Bob Rush as having coached Collingwood in the 1930 Grand Final, while the AFL considers McHale to have been the coach:
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1930/040919301011.html || https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/Bob_Rush.html
https://afltables.com/afl/notes.html : 1930 grand final Bob Rush performed grand final coaching duties as Jock McHale was ill. The AFL has chosen to credit the absent McHale as coach, and not Rush.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/565c9b673977a68eb5d0cb2416ae0674

McHale is credited as coaching 714 games but in dispute is whether the 1930 grand final, when he was in bed ill, should continue to be counted.

Collingwood treasurer Bob Rush took charge of the Magpies that game and gave an inspired speech as the side stormed home to defeat Geelong.

While Rush is credited as having coached one game, the AFL has said that would be corrected before the May milestone, much to the disappointment of Victorian Supreme Court judge Jack Rush, a great nephew of the former Magpie money man.

In this instance, one game does matter, for had McHale not been credited as the coach for the 1930 grand final — the league said there was no official declaration that he was not — Malthouse would break the record in New Zealand a week earlier, when Carlton play St Kilda.

 

[35Daicos]

Patrick Keane tweeted last week that Clarkson was coaching his 333rd game at Hawthorn which drew him level with Allan Jeans, who (according to Keane) coached 333 games at St Kilda. But AFLtables has Jeans down for 332 games with St Kilda.

Similarly, Keane tweeted that Jock McHale coached Collingwood in 714 games, but AFLtables has him down for 713 games.

Not sure if it is easy to verify, and I'm sure the AFL has it wrong, but it would be interesting to see whether adjustments need to be made.

I see AFL Tables has Jeans' St Kilda coaching record as 193 W, 138 L and 1 D for 332 games. The AFL Record Season Guide has 193 W, 139 L and 1 D for 333 games.

The discrepancy here must involve Eric Guy. AFL Tables has him coaching 6 games in total: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/stkilda.html || https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/Eric_Guy.html
AFL Record Season Guide has him coaching 1 game in 1972 (1 W) and 4 in 1974 (2 W, 2 L) for an overall total of 5 games. Jeans was coach from 1961-76 so Guy was obviously filling in.

So, one game in 1974 is counted by AFL Tables as being coached by Guy (one of the 3 losses - almost certainly the one in Rd. 13), but obviously the AFL has Jeans as coach for that game:

There's some interesting reading here: http://sportandhistory.com/research/caretakercoaches.html

Edit: I've just checked the 2012 AFL Season Guide, and Jeans was on 332 games for St Kilda, Guy on 6 - matching what AFL Tables has. It seems that a few years back the AFL changed this, and AFL Tables (and others) may not be aware it was done.
Strangely, the AFL had (as well as the 1 game in 1972) 1 W and 4 L for the 5 games in 1974 for Guy.
In the 2014 Season Guide it was changed to show 333 games for Jeans, with 4 games for Guy in 1974 (2 W, 2 L - and still the 1 in 1972), just as they have it now.

 

[SunGirl89]

Keane tweeted that Jock McHale coached Collingwood in 714 games, but AFLtables has him down for 713 games.

Please always refer to https://afltables.com/afl/notes.html first.

I'm sure the AFL has it wrong

The AFL does have it wrong. I cannot accept that a coach can be credited with a game when they are absent on game day.

 

[SunGirl89]

I think the Easter Monday clash - Geelong v Hawthorn should be added to the Derbies & Annual Matchups list:

https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams_idx.html

It has been an annual fixture since 2012. They also played in 2010, but not in 2011.

 

[SunGirl89]

I personally would like a section or some tables that have finals removed from season records, or sorted by averages rather than totals.

Example?

Do you mean like NBA stats that tend to favour regular season numbers rather than entire career?

 

[SunGirl89]

New stat suggestions:

Most Games, No Finals Wins - similar to Most Games, No Finals
Most Games Before Finals Win - similar to Most Games Before Final

This was prompted by something Matthew Lloyd said this week.

Players such as Matthew, James Hird, and Sean Wellman played in Essendon's last finals win.

 

[Effes]

Will the site be updated for round 7?

 

[Catsace]

I think the Easter Monday clash - Geelong v Hawthorn should be added to the Derbies & Annual Matchups list:

https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams_idx.html

It has been an annual fixture since 2012. They also played in 2010, but not in 2011.

2011 was a unique situation....with Easter being as late as i think it could ever be, Anzac Day fell on Monday April 25th, the day after that Easter Sunday. Geelong and Hawthorn then played on the Tuesday, as that was the Easter Monday holiday in lieu.

Then on Wed 27th April my workplace was subject to an armed robbery...so i remember this sequence of days as vividly as yesterday. But i'd consider this Hawks/Cats clash as an Easter Monday as it would have happened under normal circumstances.

 

[situationz]

Table Suggestions:
- In "season records" page: most points in a game (both teams) and highest scores in a quarter
- In "quarters and halves" : there is largest margin in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th quarters, largest margin at halftime. There's no "largest margin in 2nd half" though.
- In "team stats" differences: lost with more inside 50s, biggest losses with more inside 50s

 

[Gibbsy]

The outpouring of emotion, confusion and then gratefulness on Twitter shows how valuable AFL Tables is to a lot of people. There were countless users willing to help out financially. It’s a credit to Paul, yet also a discredit to the AFL as it doesn’t have a functional alternative.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Albeit with a few games missing, scoring progressions back to 2001 are live.

 

[worbod]

Albeit with a few games missing, scoring progressions back to 2001 are live.

Do you mean via YouTube?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Do you mean via YouTube?

Probably but that would be outlet No. 1 for obtaining such information.

 

[Connor7395]

Albeit with a few games missing, scoring progressions back to 2001 are live.

Now I have most of what I need to look for something I've wondered: who scored the 2 millionth point in VFL/AFL history?
After the Richmond vs Essendon game in Round 7, 2001, 1999686 points had been scored. The games to come after that were St Kilda vs Hawthorn at 7pm AEST and Adelaide vs Fremantle at 7:40pm AEST. I'm making the assumption that both games started at this exact time and that the first/third quarter/halftime breaks were exactly 6, 6 and 20 minutes. This gives me the following times.

9:19:41pm - Nigel Smart (Adelaide) behind - 17m 9s, 3rd quarter, Adelaide vs Fremantle (1999981)
9:20:22pm - Mark Graham (Hawthorn) goal - 23m 12s, 4th quarter, St Kilda vs Hawthorn (1999987)
9:21:15pm - Adam Richardson (Adelaide) behind - 18m 43s, 3rd quarter, Adelaide vs Fremantle (1999988)
9:22:21pm - John Barker (Hawthorn) goal - 25m 11s, 4th quarter, St Kilda vs Hawthorn (1999994)
9:22:29pm - Clive Waterhouse (Fremantle) goal - 19m 57s, 3rd quarter, Adelaide vs Fremantle (2000000)
9:24:04pm - Clive Waterhouse (Fremantle) behind - 21m 32s, 3rd quarter, Adelaide vs Fremantle (2000001)
9:24:15pm - John Barker (Hawthorn) goal - 27m 5s, 4th quarter, St Kilda vs Hawthorn (2000007)
9:24:53pm - Stuart Bown (Adelaide) goal - 22m 21s, 3rd quarter, Adelaide vs Fremantle (2000013)

It's still impossible to tell. The breaks from either game could have gone longer or shorter, the games could have started at different times. All the factors could switch Barker and Waterhouse, or the events of one game could be shifted and somebody like Graham or Bown may have got it. Only way to tell is to align taped games with all the commercials and that's still a tall order.