Opinion Mark Logiudice and the Board of Directors - No Board changes as at 24th Feb 2020

[Wickzki]

THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

Well, bugger me. The club has identified that the coaching team was not good enough. If they could clear out 80% of the staff today they probably do. But you can't. Most of the staff know they're gone the second that the season ends. It started, somewhat sadly, with Bolts.

Agree or disagree with it as much as you like. The players gave every indication that they had quit. Sunday was not a good look. The board reacted to the situation (some would argue overly so).

We now have to bare down, work hard as a football club and make the difficult decisions. Board upheavel will not accomplish that.

However, the current board should not be responsible for our next coaching hire. I want to see a completely independent team of recruiting and sports specialists make the decision by going through a transparent process. That means no current or former players having influence in the decision.

I want to see the selected coach enabled to select his own team of assistant coaches with approval and advice of the selection panel. You can select a head coach but he needs to have his team and that team should be selected under the same weights and measures that the head coach endured.

It's a very old Carlton thing to throw the baby out with the bath water. Enough is enough. It must be different this time.

 

[BlueGum]

Spineless fat cats are still running the club behind a veil of secrecy

The Godfather and his Capos
https://m.carltonfc.com.au/club/about-us/board

I implore one of our many powerbrokers to clean the rot that has festered in our boardroom for far too long and force a board spill.

Members such as Fat Tony himself, Luke Sayers, Jeannie Pratt (her money will be missed), Craig Mathieson and co have presided over what can only be described as poor decisions one after another.

The sacking of Ratten.
The hiring of Malthouse.
The appointment of Bolton (without the nesescary support, where was Neal Craig's replacement?).

If Mike Fitzpatrick is reading this, I beg you to act. The general positive member sentiment towards the current board is at an all time low and the chances of someone being able to dislodge the current heirachy would be high.

Apologies for possibly causing more negative discourse but it has to be said. After today's performance from Mark, it should be the last nail in his boards coffin.

Also just let the record show. I agree with today's decision. It had to be done.

Bit confused by your POV Pablito. Are you for or against the spineless fatcats and powerbrokers?

 

[Wickzki]

Bit confused by your POV Pablito. Are you for or against the spineless fatcats and powerbrokers?

Depends which side the fatcat and powerbroker is on. Same old Carlton. It's like Game of Thrones and much of the last 20 years are as disappointing as the final season.

 

[davis_756]

Heads need to role, they basically admitted to sacking Bolton purely to ease the media pressure for a year or more when they declared they would change nothing else and continue the same plan.

They lacked the testicular fortitude to continue the course and deal.with the.media pressure. The reasons for the position we are in are solely due to the list manager allowing senior players like Gibbs, Wright to disappear without replacing them with other senior players.

How does anyone expect to win games of footy with guys like.casboult and fasolo representing half your 100 game players when one has terrible foot skills and the other is lazy past it and running around for the pay check.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Why do some people want to burn it all down?

Here's a fun theory ... It's easy to call for sackings and then act like a genius if it happens. There is no way of being proven wrong.

Those who called for Ratten to be sacked can't be proven wrong about him. Our list going backwards under Malthouse isn't proof that Ratten should have stayed because we don't know what would have happened.

We do know that Tigers supporters wanted Hardwick gone. Not so much now though right? They were proven wrong because he was given longer.

Fans fuel media and media fuels fans and the pressure on clubs is enormous.

If the next coach takes this list to success, you can easily say Bolton wouldn't have because it didn't happen.

What if you sack the board and SOS and this list wins a flag? What will be the rationale then?

The club have done what it set out to do. The results aren't coming. The circuit breaker is always sacking the coach. Let's give the rest of the club some room to breathe now.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Heads need to role, they basically admitted to sacking Bolton purely to ease the media pressure for a year or more when they declared they would change nothing else and continue the same plan.

They lacked the testicular fortitude to continue the course and deal.with the.media pressure. The reasons for the position we are in are solely due to the list manager allowing senior players like Gibbs, Wright to disappear without replacing them with other senior players.

How does anyone expect to win games of footy with guys like.casboult and fasolo representing half your 100 game players when one has terrible foot skills and the other is lazy past it and running around for the pay check.

Casboult has been one of our better players.

The one valid reason for sacking Bolts is the apparent lack of intensity from half the team. They killed the coach. If they continue in the same way, we sacked the wrong people. If they come out and rediscover their intensity, then we sacked the right person but he should have be joined by some players.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

I'm no expert but they have been imo, quietly building this shambles..Nicely

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I said earlier this year that the days of sacking head coaches mid year on the back of poor performances was basically over, but if anyone could still do it it’d be us.

Successful clubs have withstood the pressure, avoided the temptation to offer up a convenient scapegoat, and gone through proper ******* reviews at the end of season to determine the issues and how to fix them.

Sacking the coach doesn’t fix any issues it’s just a PR move. One that shouldn’t even work anymore, now that the public has a greater understanding of the importance of other roles at a footy club.

This is the same old Carlton. Who’d want the coaching job knowing you’re first in the firing line?

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Should of spent money on quality senior help and looked after Bolts.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Why do some people want to burn it all down?

Here's a fun theory ... It's easy to call for sackings and then act like a genius if it happens. There is no way of being proven wrong.

Those who called for Ratten to be sacked can't be proven wrong about him. Our list going backwards under Malthouse isn't proof that Ratten should have stayed because we don't know what would have happened.

We do know that Tigers supporters wanted Hardwick gone. Not so much now though right? They were proven wrong because he was given longer.

Fans fuel media and media fuels fans and the pressure on clubs is enormous.

If the next coach takes this list to success, you can easily say Bolton wouldn't have because it didn't happen.

What if you sack the board and SOS and this list wins a flag? What will be the rationale then?

The club have done what it set out to do. The results aren't coming. The circuit breaker is always sacking the coach. Let's give the rest of the club some room to breathe now.

Seems you’re arguing more for removing a board that won’t stop knifing coaches than for keeping that board.

I completely agree with just about all your points. Carlton really shouldn’t have sacked Rattan. Richmond really shouldn’t have sacked Hardwick, and didn’t, and won a flag on the back of it.

Any chance we could have one of those boards like the Richmond one that actually has the balls to see a thing through?

 

[Wickzki]

The one valid reason for sacking Bolts is the apparent lack of intensity from half the team. They killed the coach. If they continue in the same way, we sacked the wrong people. If they come out and rediscover their intensity, then we sacked the right person but be should have be joined by some players.

Beware of the placebo of sacking a coach midway through the season. Now that the coach is gone many on the list will be playing like their football careers depend on it. And for many of them they'd be right. However, It doesn't mean that they won't revert once they believe it's saved.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Seems you’re arguing more for removing a board that won’t stop knifing coaches than for keeping that board.

I completely agree with just about all your points. Carlton really shouldn’t have sacked Rattan. Richmond really shouldn’t have sacked Hardwick, and didn’t, and won a flag on the back of it.

Any chance we could have one of those boards like the Richmond one that actually has the balls to see a thing through?

I'm not arguing to remove the board. Our off field stuff is working for the first time in a long time. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

It is clear that Robert Walls was a placebo this season. Cynical move by the board and football department. However, they should not be responsible for our on field fortunes unless they don't provide resources.

Supporter pressure and media got Bolton sacked. Members must get their pound of flesh in return for miserable weekends.

 

[El Topo]

Fun poll. Ironic that the response (by varying degrees) to a reactionary board sacking the most visible target is to do just that to the board. Which would have no bearing on the structural facts of the CFC, that the board represents the moneyed interests keeping the club afloat.

Want a solution? Grow the membership, become self sufficient, then all of a sudden a phone call from the Pokies Boss or the Cardbard Prince won't have the same gravitas. And a little self awareness wouldn't go astray.

 

[Malifice]

If anyones job is under scrutiny its Judd. He's the director of footy, and thats the one area we currently suck in.

Say what you want about the rest of the directors, but off field (members, sponsorships, corporate engagement, money) we're actually doing well.

That said, I dont think Judds the problem. He's a good operator despite the ongoing issues with the Footy department. I think the problem is our list is at present way to young, and blame for that ultimately has to fall on SOS. I know we've tried to get in mature players in recent years (Rocky, Shiel) but we really needed to be more aggressive with doing so, without sacrificing our draft hand during the rebuild (get in some Free Agents, including some Hodge types at the end of their careers).

Say what you want, but we have been fielding some insanely young sides this year. At around the same age as GWS/ GCS teams in year 1 of their existence (and have been getting similar results).

We really need to be agressive this year with picking up some established senior players. They dont have to be absolute A graders either. Just solid best 22 types to enable us to leave some kids in the 2's to develop and to have hard bodies in the side.

We went full Melbourne. You never go full Melbourne.

 

[Blugazi]

Others in here have already said it. This was the right decision. Bolton has been a decent appointment, he’s utilised his teaching skills and stubborn adherence to a blueprint to build a united football club. In saying this, as another poster put it Bolton doesn’t appear to have the ability to take us much further. He’s planted the seeds and grown some green shoots, but it’s now time to bring someone in to piss on the lemon tree - think McCartney > Bevo. If we stuck with Bolton we were going to keep on losing, thus risking losing talented players who are craving success (or at least 4+ wins a year). Clearly this was a risk the club weren’t willing to take.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If anyones job is under scrutiny its Judd. He's the director of footy, and thats the one area we currently suck in.

Say what you want about the rest of the directors, but off field (members, sponsorships, corporate engagement, money) we're actually doing well.

That said, I dont think Judds the problem. He's a good operator despite the ongoing issues with the Footy department. I think the problem is our list is at present way to young, and blame for that ultimately has to fall on SOS. I know we've tried to get in mature players in recent years (Rocky, Shiel) but we really needed to be more aggressive with doing so, without sacrificing our draft hand during the rebuild (get in some Free Agents, including some Hodge types at the end of their careers).

Say what you want, but we have been fielding some insanely young sides this year. At around the same age as GWS/ GCS teams in year 1 of their existence (and have been getting similar results).

We really need to be agressive this year with picking up some established senior players. They dont have to be absolute A graders either. Just solid best 22 types to enable us to leave some kids in the 2's to develop and to have hard bodies in the side.

We went full Melbourne. You never go full Melbourne.

We went full Melbourne but we didn't have a lot of choice.

Probably could have kept Tuohy and not gone for Marchbank or looked for a more experienced player. Other teams seem to be able to do it. Brown, Frost for example.

We didn't know what Jones would become at that point so the decision was okay.

We really should have looked harder for state league players and fringe players than delisted scrap pile players.

And Judd ... didn't he come on mid way through last year? He deserves time.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

May as well close this thread too...

 

[Malifice]

We went full Melbourne but we didn't have a lot of choice.

We could have looked to bring in a few B grade seniors in as Free Agents. We haven't been aggressive enough in that space.

 

[ParapMarkets]

If anyones job is under scrutiny its Judd. He's the director of footy, and thats the one area we currently suck in.

Say what you want about the rest of the directors, but off field (members, sponsorships, corporate engagement, money) we're actually doing well.

That said, I dont think Judds the problem. He's a good operator despite the ongoing issues with the Footy department. I think the problem is our list is at present way to young, and blame for that ultimately has to fall on SOS. I know we've tried to get in mature players in recent years (Rocky, Shiel) but we really needed to be more aggressive with doing so, without sacrificing our draft hand during the rebuild (get in some Free Agents, including some Hodge types at the end of their careers).

Say what you want, but we have been fielding some insanely young sides this year. At around the same age as GWS/ GCS teams in year 1 of their existence (and have been getting similar results).

We really need to be agressive this year with picking up some established senior players. They dont have to be absolute A graders either. Just solid best 22 types to enable us to leave some kids in the 2's to develop and to have hard bodies in the side.

We went full Melbourne. You never go full Melbourne.

You were one of the strongest advocates for us to go “full Melbourne”. At the end of 2016, you thought our decision to not accept whatever slop, Adelaide put in front of us for Gibbs was one of the worst decisions in the history of our club. The problem with getting rid of your best senior players in favour of draft picks is that it makes it extremely difficult to find adequate experienced replacements as they can’t see premierships in the foreseeable future, only losing seasons.

People may disagree with me, but I still think we have chosen the right path. I don’t want seasons where we scrape into finals, I want to see us as a legitimate contender for years on end. Get a strong core of young talent and get games into them, and then surround them with quality experience to boost their development. I still think this is a good strategy.

Hopefully we can start attracting quality experienced players, though it’s going to be extremely hard just at the moment. I’m still bullish on our youth, but as you (and others) have rightfully pointed out, our over 25’s are terrible (the worst in the league).

Bolton is now gone, we just simply had to do something imo. You can’t just sit back and hope things are going to magically turn around. There will certainly be more to come, but we need to make smart decisions and not throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

[Malifice]

You were one of the strongest advocates for us to go “full Melbourne”.

No I wasnt. I was of the view that we needed extra 1st round picks, but that doesnt mean we shouldnt have spent the past few years getting in senior players (as Free Agents).

 

[Styxx]

Board doesn't act, their seen as stubborn, blind, fiddling while Rome burns down, and should leave.

Board acts, they're only saving their skin, they're selfish, inept, same old Carlton and should leave.

The people who by and large sacked Ratten and brought in Malthouse by and large are gone (Swan, Kernahan etc) board has gotten smaller over the last decade and by and large actually committed to shutting up last few years.

I am an unashamed Bolton supporter but circumstances became to great to keep him, its by no means all his fault and everything should be properly looked at but firing everyone under the sun won't help, in fact it will pretty much kill the club for good.

Next 3 months will be telling.

 

[sosos]

Club went full Melbourne on field running a ridiculous number of small young players in the middle and constantly picking overly tall forward and back lines. Bolton or MC?

List is fine just needs more time.

 

[Pablito]

Bit confused by your POV Pablito. Are you for or against the spineless fatcats and powerbrokers?

I don't mind a powerbroker. As long as they take responsibility for their actions and decisions.

MLG is the epitome of a behind the scenes let others answer the hard questions type. Now compare him to Peter Gordon, Jeff Kennet and Eddie McGuire. 2 out of the 3 are intolerable w***ers but if they were the president of your club at least you'd know you had someone steering the ship with some leadership skills.

 

[Pablito]

Any you have just exposed yourself ….

As someone with a back bone willing to say the hard things and ask tough questions. I've never been hiding mate.

 

[GoBlues!]

We could have looked to bring in a few B grade seniors in as Free Agents. We haven't been aggressive enough in that space.

You mean like Lang, Kennedy, Garlett, Newman, McGovern, Fas, Shiel?

What B grade seniors are you thinking of mal that we could’ve chased.