AFP Raids on News journo and the ABC offices

[Bunkdar]

Can people fight this facist s**t head on ?
ABC need 2 create a wikileaks type of drop box with instructions on how 2 use TOR bridge, DBAN ect ect

 

[GoldenSky]

Labor requesting an investigation is very different to the AFP conducting raids.

Oh c'mon - what do you think an investigation comprises in this context? Inspector Clouseau sitting at his desk and thumbing through paperwork? Look at the language Dreyfus used; "gravity of such a security breach", "appear to be extremely sensitive" - Labor thought this breach should be treated with the utmost seriousness and investigated as thoroughly as possible. Problem is, Dreyfus drafted this back when he thought he was dishing dirt on Dutton.

 

[its free real estate]

Oh c'mon - what do you think an investigation comprises in this context? Inspector Clouseau sitting at his desk and thumbing through paperwork? Look at the language Dreyfus used; "gravity of such a security breach", "appear to be extremely sensitive" - Labor thought this breach should be treated with the utmost seriousness and investigated as thoroughly as possible. Problem is, Dreyfus drafted this back when he thought he was dishing dirt on Dutton.

I don’t care. The AFP has been used as weapon by the Coalition for well over a decade, ever since that incompetent oaf Mick Keelty arrested Mohammad Haneef on nonsense charges in the lead up to the 2007 federal election.

The law is bad, the AFP is bad and Dutton as a former Queensland cop is very very bad.

 

[Chief]

Bevan Shields has form on being wrong, now the truth;

Now: did Labor ask for raids or just an investigation?

You can investigate a leak without raiding news org offices.

 

[Engimal v3]

But one thing we can all be certain about.... Had Labor won the recent election and this raid had taken place, those same posters (plus some others who have remained curiously silent on the issue) would be in this thread screaming how voting for the ALP is essentially voting for a socialist dictatorship.

"If Labour, who has seriously opposed these raids, had done the raids, you'd shut up!"

What an utterly bizarre post.

 

[TimmeT]

Now: did Labor ask for raids or just an investigation?

You can investigate a leak without raiding news org offices.

right...

so dreyfus wanted an investigation, got it but didnt like the fact it was done by the afp. nice example of dreyfus/labor wanting to have theor cake and eat it as well.

 

[Chief]

right...

so dreyfus wanted an investigation, got it but didnt like the fact it was done by the afp. nice example of dreyfus/labor wanting to have theor cake and eat it as well.

Or didn’t like the methods.

This is weak from the government but people are equating “investigation” with “AFP raid”.

What else might be involved in an investigation other than AFP raids on our national broadcaster?

 

[TimmeT]

Or didn’t like the methods.

This is weak from the government but people are equating “investigation” with “AFP raid”.

What else might be involved in an investigation other than AFP raids on our national broadcaster?

The searching through evidence to determine whether there had been a breach and/or offence. Also am pretty positive the claims it was a raid have been completely debunked. It was an agreed meeting to carry out the warrant.

Who should have carried out the investigation? The AFP seems like the most appropriate body to do this.

 

[Chief]

The searching through evidence to determine whether there had been a breach and/or offence. Also am pretty positive the claims it was a raid have been completely debunked. It was an agreed meeting to carry out the warrant.

Who should have carried out the investigation? The AFP seems like the most appropriate body to do this.

The fact they got a warrant at all is the problem.

 

[TimmeT]

The fact they got a warrant at all is the problem.

how is it?

 

[NSWCROW]

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/editorial/2019/06/08/getting-the-truth/15599160008269

Getting to the truth

It is important to remember that these stories did not risk national security. They invited criticism, not danger. The raids on the ABC and the home of a News Corp reporter were about government embarrassment.

 

[Kurve]

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/editorial/2019/06/08/getting-the-truth/15599160008269

Getting to the truth

The government should be embarrassed about a plan to green light not just extra powers to spy on Australians but to do it by hacking into critical infrastructure without a warrant. They've gone too far already that something like this was even approached as a serious consideration. imo.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Oh c'mon - what do you think an investigation comprises in this context? Inspector Clouseau sitting at his desk and thumbing through paperwork? Look at the language Dreyfus used; "gravity of such a security breach", "appear to be extremely sensitive" - Labor thought this breach should be treated with the utmost seriousness and investigated as thoroughly as possible. Problem is, Dreyfus drafted this back when he thought he was dishing dirt on Dutton.

You are the best I have seen on here at taking wild guesses without any evidence at all to back yourself up.

Fact is you have zero idea what the ALP meant when it stated that they wanted an investigation. You cannot make any assertion at all they they would have sent the AFP in to investigate Annika Smethurst's underwear drawer.

 

[TimmeT]

https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/opinion/editorial/2019/06/08/getting-the-truth/15599160008269

Getting to the truth

So you are posting as a point of evidence against the justification of the investigation an opinion piece .

 

[Maggie5]

You are the best I have seen on here at taking wild guesses without any evidence at all to back yourself up.

Fact is you have zero idea what the ALP meant when it stated that they wanted an investigation. You cannot make any assertion at all they they would have sent the AFP in to investigate Annika Smethurst's underwear drawer.

During the press conference the AFP spokeperson was asked about that and his response was:

That is where sometimes things are hidden. Sure if I am going to hide a USB that is the first place I would think of.

The other point which no-one bothered to follow up was why would she have hidden it if she didn't know she was being investigated?

All good though he said that a female went through her drawer.

 

[GoldenSky]

You are the best I have seen on here at taking wild guesses without any evidence at all to back yourself up.

Fact is you have zero idea what the ALP meant when it stated that they wanted an investigation. You cannot make any assertion at all they they would have sent the AFP in to investigate Annika Smethurst's underwear drawer.

Exactly - and you have zero idea too. So, let's just look at Dreyfus's words. And then let's consider who is the appropriate investigating body in this instance.

Both bits of objective info lead to an investigation by the AFP over information of the most highly confidential nature.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Exactly - and you have zero idea too. So, let's just look at Dreyfus's words. And then let's consider who is the appropriate investigating body in this instance.

Both bits of objective info lead to an investigation by the AFP over information of the most highly confidential nature.

I never claimed to know. That is the difference.

 

[NSWCROW]

So you are posting as a point of evidence against the justification of the investigation an opinion piece .

Oops i forgot opinions have no business being on the internet

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Oops i forgot opinions have no business being on the internet

There are opinions. And then there are agendas and blatant propaganda.

In the case of GoldenSky, his/her posting history is littered with anti-ALP propaganda. This thread is a perfect example. This AFP investigation happened on Dutton's watch...yet here we ago again with the finger pointing directed at the mob who aren't even in government.

And it happens in every thread GoldenSky shows up in.

 

[GoldenSky]

In the case of GoldenSky, his/her posting history is littered with anti-ALP propaganda. This thread is a perfect example. This AFP investigation happened on Dutton's watch...yet here we ago again with the finger pointing directed at the mob who aren't even in government.

And it happens in every thread GoldenSky shows up in.

Oh no no no - not anti-ALP. Anti-far-left, thank you very much.

Also, I am not finger pointing at the ALP for the raids occuring, lol. I am finger pointing at the ALP for an embarrassing bit of hypocrisy that was THE headline news on Fairfax on the weekend.

Sorry that I have to censor headline news to suit your tastes.

 

[Crankyhawk]

For the love of god. C O N F I D E N T I A L defence force documents. Where did they get these? How?

Not the journalists job to really care or protect the military. It’s all about the provision of news to fund advertising.
Military need to ask how did this information get out there or even how the * did special forces do what is alleged.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Killing innocent children is a poor lapse in judgement apparently. That will make defending child murderers a whole lot easier for lawyers.

Innocent civilians have been murdered, but you're right, Australian solders are the true victims in all of this.

Well standard Australian logic is one of ours is worth hundreds of “them”; after all the opponents are just statistics

Amidoingitrite?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Can't handle contrary opinions? You might be a bit of a snowflake. From what I've seen, the SRP board tends to lean towards the right for the most part. There's plenty of other places you can go which are essentially far-right hive-minds if you really are that desperate to have your world view confirmed by a majority.

Lean to the right? To the right of che Guevara maybe...

 

[Freo Big Fella]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06...airs-boss-over-post-raids-phone-call/11199230

With Dutton denying all knowledge of just about everything he does prior to today, it's amazing such a thin-skinned crybaby is the man in charge of the nation's security apparatus.

 

[Kurve]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06...airs-boss-over-post-raids-phone-call/11199230

With Dutton denying all knowledge of just about everything he does prior to today, it's amazing such a thin-skinned crybaby is the man in charge of the nation's security apparatus.

He'd fold pretty quick under a real interrogation ...