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Collingwood don't trade out any one cheap.
Collingwood also have no cap left.
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Collingwood don't trade out any one cheap.
Billings is worth 800k to us. He's a gun. An outside player in a **** team like ours is going to struggle. Josh Kelly wouldn't do any better, and some of you were talking about paying him $1m+.
Mate I gave you a list of players that moved. There literally was no difference before or after the cap change. Players still moved.Which FAs did we miss out on?
Fyfe, Dusty, an OOC Kelly.
Why didn’t we get them?
Because they didn’t move.
Why?
Because their clubs were suddenly able to afford to re-sign them.
You’re right though, nothing to do with list management at all
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I wouldnt pay that much for billings hes done nothing to deserve it. 600k absolute max. If he doesnt take it then see ya later.Billings easily worth 800k to us..
Especially with the rising cap, get it done x5yrs
The reality is we have to spend the money in our cap anyway or at least 95% of it!
So we might as well just go for it and try and get anyone and everyone that comes avail who will improve us ( emphasis on the improve us )
Billings will get a very generous offer no doubt, so up to him whether he values his club and team mates and wants to repay that faith!
We also have a pretty ordinary hand, draft picks wise so it's inevitable that big changes will have to be made re trading players out
In order to get the ones we want in! So favourites will be sacrificed, as to who they are is anybody's guess at the moment!
But one thing i know is that i will feel better giving some young talent that comes in some of that compensation rather than
Keep giving it to under performing players currently at the club that don't deserve it frankly, for they are the reason we are in this mess
As we have been a poor team for too long!
Second half of this year will be very interesting as to who stands up and wants to be a part of the future of the StKilda footy club
As there is no doubt if they impress with the money we have to spend all will be compensated extremely well!
Use the money to sign Brandon White for 10 years @ $800k per year...I wouldnt pay that much for billings hes done nothing to deserve it. 600k absolute max. If he doesnt take it then see ya later.
Also agree. Time we got serious and made players accountable.This sums it up really well. We've got a crap draft hand, some ordinary players that aren't improving and a handful of promising players we can build around. Yes, we are still rebuilding whether people like it or not. To do that, some of the ordinary players will have to be traded. I'd rather we got on the front foot and build a list that can win a premiership. We've already lost a few years not being ruthless enough and if we continue on this path we'll be mid-table at best with no prospects. Purgatory awaiting extinction.
Examples please
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Also agree. Time we got serious and made players accountable.
One thing for certain is that next year under a new coach, people will see pretty quickly where players are at.
Just as a rising tide lifts all the boats, a falling tide quickly exposes those who aren't wearing shorts or bathers.
Caldwell looks fantastic when fit, I was really hoping we’d find a way to get an extra first last year and pick him.
We went another way and it didn’t happen but this kid will be a gun and I’d happily swap our first pick or a player for him. There was some talk he was homesick and wanted out, if that’s true you’d hope we’d be at the head of the line and prepared to pay what he’s worth.
The reality is we have to spend the money in our cap anyway or at least 95% of it!
So we might as well just go for it and try and get anyone and everyone that comes avail who will improve us ( emphasis on the improve us )
Billings will get a very generous offer no doubt, so up to him whether he values his club and team mates and wants to repay that faith!
We also have a pretty ordinary hand, draft picks wise so it's inevitable that big changes will have to be made re trading players out
In order to get the ones we want in! So favourites will be sacrificed, as to who they are is anybody's guess at the moment!
But one thing i know is that i will feel better giving some young talent that comes in some of that compensation rather than
Keep giving it to under performing players currently at the club that don't deserve it frankly, for they are the reason we are in this mess
As we have been a poor team for too long!
Second half of this year will be very interesting as to who stands up and wants to be a part of the future of the StKilda footy club
As there is no doubt if they impress with the money we have to spend all will be compensated extremely well!
Are we going back that far? OK...Selling Mc Evoy for picks/ Savage, not offering Dal a contract when he waned to stay, low balling BJ, giving Hawthorn a first rounder that got the O'Meara done for Clark who doesn't seem much better than the players who went around our pick from the year before. Stanley for Hugh Goddard, Freeman for a second round pick, selling Mc Evoy then paying overs for Hickey and Longer, perpetually using future picks but still not getting a huge reward for it.
I would say our best talent has all been in the draft and we waste a lot anyway. Marshall was drafted, Gresham was drafted, Billings drafted, King was drafted. The only one that wasn't a high pick was Mashall. We should be using our high picks on best available talent unless we are getting an A+ mid for the pick.
We apparently got timid with how much we were willing to offer some of our FA targets, if we have a war chest just front load offer a contract to a player like Coniglio and worst case it makes life very hard for GWS to retain talent later.
Haha. So we let him walk for a few extra dollars at the same time we are happy to pay overs to get players in...I wouldnt pay that much for billings hes done nothing to deserve it. 600k absolute max. If he doesnt take it then see ya later.
Champion players don't need the threat of a new coach to start playing for their careers.One good thing about a new coach is that we will see a few players start playing for their careers.
that's what he's saying, we aint got noneChampion players don't need the threat of a new coach to start playing for their careers.
They either want to be the best of they don't.
Also agree. Time we got serious and made players accountable.
One thing for certain is that next year under a new coach, people will see pretty quickly where players are at.
Just as a rising tide lifts all the boats, a falling tide quickly exposes those who aren't wearing shorts or bathers.
This sums it up really well. We've got a crap draft hand, some ordinary players that aren't improving and a handful of promising players we can build around. Yes, we are still rebuilding whether people like it or not. To do that, some of the ordinary players will have to be traded. I'd rather we got on the front foot and build a list that can win a premiership. We've already lost a few years not being ruthless enough and if we continue on this path we'll be mid-table at best with no prospects. Purgatory awaiting extinction.
Are we going back that far? OK...
Robbo, Bruce and Membrey for peanuts.
Jake, great trade.
Your boy Ross drafted. So were Acres - who like the 2nd coming of Jesus could also take over 2000 years and still not arrive - Dunstan and a few others.
On the contrary I think we are seeing where our players are at right now.
A whole group of honest solid toilers, nothing more or less.
That could be the base for a successful team- any delicious baked cake is comprised of mostly boring old flour and water.
But without any flavour or fun stuff, it's not much of a cake.
In the ross lyon years we had plenty of flour and water types- but they were of course the wind beneath the wings of our star brigade.
We're still well short of stars even in a very hypothetical situation where say hanners, steven and carlisle get back to full fitness (robbo and paddy are done), and maximus king is a riewoldt-esque rising star winner.
I am not in love with the cho, I genuinely couldn't care if he stays or goes... but I think with the puzzle pieces he's got to work with- he's doing as well any anyone would be.
I think he's got this group playing a game style that suits them best- the problem is that their best is only good enough for midtable.
Can't get blood from a stone.
If we are looking at things to do just to meet the salary cap requirements, I'd rather re-list past players like Barry Breen, Bruce Duperouzel etc etc who saved the club in the 80's by forgoing wages owed to them rather than pay extra's for current players who aren't performing up to standard.
Barry Breen 1 year rookie contract $600K
So from that list there Gringo who do we trade then?We can't really afford to sell the new rebuild to members. Players will be leaving next year just through attrition and losing too many at once will make even baselining hard. The new coach is going to have to be tough, I reckon who ever comes in is going to struggle to be anything but bottom 4 especially if we trade away GOPs who lets face it will get second rounders at best.
Our best trade prospects would be Billings, Gresham, Marshall, Ross as first rounders. Membrey, Steele, Bruce, Parker second rounders, Acres, Dunstan etc probably thirds, Longer, Pierce etc all delisted FAs. Newnes would be a FA so probably second round compo pick.
To me we can't afford to lose anyone that is in the first round group and the second round group are worth more to us than the trade is worth.
I wouldnt pay that much for billings hes done nothing to deserve it. 600k absolute max. If he doesnt take it then see ya later.