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Mmmm, so resurrection is a likely scenario BT?
Personally I'd believe the alien playing tricks theory before the omnipresent, omniscient deity theory.
We know more now re previously unknown natural phenomena thanks to science so the gap for god to fit in is growing ever narrower.
No, I enjoy the entertainment.Give up
You can have very strong evidence for a resurrected Jesus
then they have no choice but to look for other reasons no matter how unlikely they seem.. otherwise you’d be a Christian.
I’m sorry I haven’t taken you seriously but what are the facts ?
That's the thing. I'm yet to read of any "strong evidence", other than the claim that there's "strong evidence."
How unlikely they seem? Is physical resurrection from the dead so usual that it can be considered the most plausible reason that fits the "facts"?
So I ask again. Why is a supernatural resurrection the most likely reason?
Have you actually read anything I've posted? I numbered them very clearly earlier.
Were they facts?
That's the thing. I'm yet to read of any "strong evidence", other than the claim that there's "strong evidence."
How unlikely they seem? Is physical resurrection from the dead so usual that it can be considered the most plausible reason that fits the "facts"?
So I ask again. Why is a supernatural resurrection the most likely reason?
Have you actually read anything I've posted? I numbered them very clearly earlier.
Apologists claim they are.
In my case it definitely is. I’m blessed, chosen .. what can I say. I know things you don’t.
You believe things by faith that I don't. That's your prerogative of course.
If faith alone is to be regarded as valid then absolutely anything goes. Any assertion by any religious group, cult or individual, no matter how implausible or fanciful, is then valid.
You have to give the founders of the Church their due credit. They said they saw a resurrected Jesus and they went on and acted like they saw a resurrected Jesus
and they went on and acted like they saw a resurrected Jesus
Just like Joseph Smith said he was visited by an angel named Moroni while praying one night in 1823. Smith said that this angel revealed the location of a buried book made of golden plates, (the golden plates were engraved by two pre-Columbian prophet-historians from around the year AD 400 - Mormon and his son Moroni) as well as other artifacts, including a breastplate and a set of interpreters composed of two seer stones set in a frame.
Eyewitnesses said Smith translated the plates, not by looking at them, but by looking at a seer stone in the bottom of his hat. Three men later signed a statement stating that they had been shown the golden plates by an angel, and that the voice of God had confirmed the truth of their translation. Later, a further group of 'eight witnesses' — composed of male members of the Whitmer and Smith families — issued a statement that they had been shown the golden plates by Smith
Moroni was also resurrected after his death and became an angel who directed Joseph Smith to the location of the buried golden plates in the 1820s.
Of course.
And Smith went on and acted like he saw the angel Moroni. Smith also claimed that Peter, James, and John had appeared to him and had ordained him to a higher priesthood to control the newly formed Mormon church. He went on to recruit actively to the point by the time of his death in 1844, there were about 25,000 followers. Today there are over 16 million.
Good for him
Do you believe Joseph Smith's supernatural claims about angels, golden plates etc.? There were eyewitnesses who swore that what Smith said was true and they acted upon it. In that case it must be true?
If you don't beleive Smith's claims why not? And if not, why are the claims about the physical resurrection of Jesus more believable?
Another Christ based church in protestant USA? I don’t know much about it... did they see a resurrected Jesus ?
Oh to be so special in life as to be among the privileged who have had an experience with god. How was the sex? Who was on top, or did you play swaps? Who came first?to convince someone like yourself that hasn’t experienced God.
They saw a resurrected pre-Columbian prophet-historian, turned angel Moroni. Or so they claim.
Just as implausible as a physical resurrected Jesus.
Your first and most egregious mistake was to think that you have been thinking. You are mindlessly parroting the thoughts of others. Others, whose own attempts at thought have proved merely to be the plagiarised twaddle of equally deluded cretins.So you can't, just as I thought.
I was right all along when I thought I was dealing with an intellectual lightweight.
Abrahamic religion was all-encompassing in its heyday. The bible was seen as a source of knowledge for both the physical and spiritual realms.Why was Christianity relevant in 200AD but not now?
There is NO objective evidence for any of the supernatural claims in the bible. None whatsoever. There are plenty of claims made in the bible that can be tested scientifically, but God apparently doesn't like being tested. Is he shy?You can have very strong evidence for a resurrected Jesus but to convince someone like yourself that hasn’t experienced God... then they have no choice but to look for other reasons no matter how unlikely they seem.. otherwise you’d be a Christian.
I’m sorry I haven’t taken you seriously but what are the facts ?
Abrahamic religion was all-encompassing in its heyday. The bible was seen as a source of knowledge for both the physical and spiritual realms.
Modern knowledge has knocked the bible down a few pegs, in so far that most believers now consider it solely a spiritual book. In my humble opinion, an unbiased observer would see that the bible contains outdated medical, scientific, moral, and political 'truth' when judged by modern Western standards.
There is NO objective evidence for any of the supernatural claims in the bible. None whatsoever. There are plenty of claims made in the bible that can be tested scientifically, but God apparently doesn't like being tested. Is he shy?
Lots of people experience 'God', yet many call themselves Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. The 'god experience' is a delusion. Religion is nothing more than Santa Claus for adults.
Abrahamic religion was all-encompassing in its heyday. The bible was seen as a source of knowledge for both the physical and spiritual realms.
Modern knowledge has knocked the bible down a few pegs, in so far that most believers now consider it solely a spiritual book. In my humble opinion, an unbiased observer would see that the bible contains outdated medical, scientific, moral, and political 'truth' when judged by modern Western standards.
They saw a resurrected pre-Columbian prophet-historian, turned angel Moroni. Or so they claim.
Just as implausible as a physical resurrected Jesus.
The books of the bible were written by then, were they not?Except there was no Bible in 200AD.
Prayer examined...no objective evidence for biblical claims.Well test them scientifically? Who cares. So lots of people experience God. What’s your problem .. your the minority.