Religion Folau

[GuzzLG]

Aussie battlers donating their hard earned to a multi millionaire who most likely wouldn't piss on them if he was on fire. Battlers? Useful idiots more like.

If he was on fire why would he piss on anyone? Shouldn’t he piss on himself?

 

[GuzzLG]

Yeah, I'm ambivalent about the whole Falau thing to be honest, but they'll have a constitution written up and approved by the ACNC, and I can't see how that will cover them being involved with fundraising for an individual.
Maybe wrong, but I'm involved with a few NFP's and charities at a committee level and I can't see how they'll get around this.

According to this they do not have DGR status but do enjoy income tax exemptions and GST/FBT concessions.

Current details for ABN 40 075 120 517 | ABN Lookup

www.abr.business.gov.au

 

[Gough]

Really

People have religious beliefs which I find stupid, but I m not sure I'd belittle them for it. Many would see this as an attack on their beliefs and are happy to donate, infact happy to donate too many good causes more than atheists.

What about my beliefs? Just because he has some invisible friend he's allowed to hang s*** on people like me but when I return fire I'm being hateful and vilifying him. There seems to be a bit of a double standard.

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

If all those who agreed with the offending statement, are not met with the same treatment as folau, then yes he is being unfairly treated

If those responsible for similar outburst of extremism (Rosie batty, Alan Jones, fraser anning, Richard Di Natalie ect) are also not met with the same treatment, then yes folau is being discrimanted against.

And and and there's something else, goodes was also targeted, seems that its only non whites who cop it.


There's some dingbats out there with celebrity status saying some extremist crap

 

[Sainteric]

Not sure I deserved such a smart arse reply, but you appear to be more than a little worked up over this issue, so I'll let it pass.
I assume you have a copy of the ACL's constitution at hand considering your smarmy confidence over the issue?

Their constitution is very broad supporting Christian causes political and otherwise and freedom of religion. There is little chance they are outside their remit

 

[GuzzLG]

Not sure I deserved such a smart arse reply, but you appear to be more than a little worked up over this issue, so I'll let it pass.
I assume you have a copy of the ACL's constitution at hand considering your smarmy confidence over the issue?

Here you go

https://acncpubfilesprodstorage.blob.core.windows.net/public/a965aea1-38af-e811-a963-000d3ad24077-73e65b99-ef3b-46be-a291-4fa0eb7b8104-Governing%20Document-21c4a9c0-44b0-e811-a960-000d3ad24282-40075120517_GOV.pdf

 

[GuzzLG]

And the bleating left are now bombarding the ACNC to try and have the ACL destroyed.

ACNC statement on Australian Christian Lobby and Israel Folau | Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission

Statement from the ACNC: We have received multiple requests to comment on the Australian Christian Lobby’s decision to support Israel Folau’s fundraising for legal costs. The ACNC cannot comment on the circumstances of individual charities.

www.acnc.gov.au

I’m backing the stealth of the quiet quiet Australians to win this battle.

 

[GuzzLG]

What about my beliefs? Just because he has some invisible friend he's allowed to hang s*** on people like me but when I return fire I'm being hateful and vilifying him. There seems to be a bit of a double standard.

Your beliefs will ultimately differ and there may never be a middle ground you can mutually agree upon.

That’s fine.

But he’s not asking for your job to be taken away.

Disagree with him but leave him alone.

 

[Goosecat]

Not sure I deserved such a smart arse reply, but you appear to be more than a little worked up over this issue, so I'll let it pass.
I assume you have a copy of the ACL's constitution at hand considering your smarmy confidence over the issue?

Well you seem pretty worked up. Pot, Kettle, black and all.

You are the one who came in disseminating your experience and qualification, whilst stating in effect you think the ACL are operating illegally. Perhaps you can show me the various constitutions of all the groups you are working for?
I don't have a copy and people who go that path are always shown to be incapable of debate without reverting to demanding some sort of near impossible written evidence which often has no actual application anyway. Any ACL constitution will allow what is happening. You show me yours.
There is nothing in charitable or NFP legislation prohibiting raising funds for individuals or individual causes, providing such supports the approved Charity/NFP principles, advocacy and agenda etc. Money is often raised for individuals for all sorts, from NFP sporting community groups raising money for individuals to go to competitions, to missionary's going overseas and everything in between, you should know that. Your comment shows a lack of understanding, whilst proclaiming your experience and I simply pointed out without any '"flag waiving" you are not as informed as you believe. Any organisations you work with could benefit from you gaining greater knowledge, that is what I said and it is correct.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Lots of Australians just don’t like moralising bullies.

We must hate the ACL then

 

[Craven Morehead]

Here you go

https://acncpubfilesprodstorage.blob.core.windows.net/public/a965aea1-38af-e811-a963-000d3ad24077-73e65b99-ef3b-46be-a291-4fa0eb7b8104-Governing%20Document-21c4a9c0-44b0-e811-a960-000d3ad24282-40075120517_GOV.pdf

Thanks for that.

Their constitution is very broad supporting Christian causes political and otherwise and freedom of religion. There is little chance they are outside their remit

As stated, I have no dog in this fight.
You're correct, it is very broad, but it is also very specific in saying that it exists purely for the advancement of the faith.
Depending on how you interpret (6) Objects this could, or could not, fall under their charter.
Up to the ACNC to make a ruling.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Well you seem pretty worked up. Pot, Kettle, black and all.

You are the one who came in disseminating your experience and qualification, whilst stating in effect you think the ACL are operating illegally. Perhaps you can show me the various constitutions of all the groups you are working for?
I don't have a copy and people who go that path are always shown to be incapable of debate without reverting to demanding some sort of near impossible written evidence which often has no actual application anyway. Any ACL constitution will allow what is happening. You show me yours.
There is nothing in charitable or NFP legislation prohibiting raising funds for individuals or individual causes, providing such supports the approved Charity/NFP principles, advocacy and agenda etc. Money is often raised for individuals for all sorts, from NFP sporting community groups raising money for individuals to go to competitions, to missionary's going overseas and everything in between, you should know that. Your comment shows a lack of understanding, whilst proclaiming your experience and I simply pointed out without any '"flag waiving" you are not as informed as you believe. Any organisations you work with could benefit from you gaining greater knowledge, that is what I said and it is correct.

That's quite an opinion you have of yourself.
You need to calm down.

 

[Goosecat]

That's quite an opinion you have of yourself.
You need to calm down.

LOL.

 

[Sainteric]

What about my beliefs? Just because he has some invisible friend he's allowed to hang s*** on people like me but when I return fire I'm being hateful and vilifying him. There seems to be a bit of a double standard.

By all means return fire as he says he takes no offence, just don't crucify him.

His views and yours should be free speech, no one should be sacked.

The only difference is because of the mother church in England and the fact I could have gone Catholic priest hunting even 50 years ago in the UK. Most of the colonies and the USA have protected religious freedom further than anyone elses.

Perhaps the law needs changing, although religions have plenty more to ofend than LGBTI people. At least he wasn't suggesting throwing people off the tallest building in town

On the one hand people are perpetually offended these days on the other as a straight white male I will admit my ability to understand discrimination is limited

Folau's fund is at 2 million

 

[raskolnikov]

Your beliefs will ultimately differ and there may never be a middle ground you can mutually agree upon.

That’s fine.

But he’s not asking for your job to be taken away.

Disagree with him but leave him alone.

Christians are free to choose who they hire and fire on the basis of their sexuality.



The amount of unspoken homophobia in this thread is appalling.

 

[Ron The Bear]

And the bleating left are now bombarding the ACNC to try and have the ACL destroyed.

ACNC statement on Australian Christian Lobby and Israel Folau | Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission

Statement from the ACNC: We have received multiple requests to comment on the Australian Christian Lobby’s decision to support Israel Folau’s fundraising for legal costs. The ACNC cannot comment on the circumstances of individual charities.

www.acnc.gov.au

I’m backing the stealth of the quiet quiet Australians to win this battle.

Doesn't really say much, just responding to requests for comment and outlining causes for complaint. They haven't even said they're investigating.

 

[Kurve]

We must hate the ACL then

It must be a charity with tax free exemptions. Folau doesn't need charity he's a multi millionaire.

 

[Echoes]

It used to be a real source of shame in this country to put your hand out and take welfare.

Now, apparently it’s only a source of shame to do it, if you are genuinely in need, homeless, or unemployed.

Bob Hawke would be rolling in his grave at this latest development in the Folau saga.

People talk about the perils of us losing our freedom of religion...I’m sorry but a nation whose people would prefer to give its money to cover the court costs of a multi millionaire, then to help Australian families with sick and dying children, the homeless, the poor....that nation is broken anyway I’m afraid.

 

[Bazzar]

What about my beliefs? Just because he has some invisible friend he's allowed to hang s*** on people like me but when I return fire I'm being hateful and vilifying him. There seems to be a bit of a double standard.

You don't like being vilified, but you find it ok to vilify Folau and other Christians by using the term "invisible friends" You're correct about the double standards.

 

[Sainteric]

It used to be a real source of shame in this country to put your hand out and take welfare.

Now, apparently it’s only a source of shame to do it, if you are genuinely in need, homeless, or unemployed.

Bob Hawke would be rolling in his grave at this latest development in the Folau saga.

People talk about the perils of us losing our freedom of religion...I’m sorry but a nation whose people would prefer to give its money to cover the court costs of a multi millionaire, then to help Australian families with sick and dying children, the homeless, the poor....that nation is broken anyway I’m afraid.

Why Bob? He screwed every last cent out of the union movement

 

[RupieDupie]

You can't prove 100% that Folau vilified - he may actually believe that religious bs. That contradiction is certain - can't be argued.

I'll put you on ignore, getttin off the roundabout.

Theory of mind my friend. He may believe that homosexuals are going to hell, but he would have been better off quoting The Bible verse that makes that statement. I think you are arguing, once again, that Folau is ignorant of his religious beliefs...

 

[Bazzar]

Folau's fund is at 2 million

Apart from the current tally, it shows the massive support from the silent majority, the ordinary everyday Australians.

 

[Sainteric]

Christians are free to choose who they hire and fire on the basis of their sexuality.

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The amount of unspoken homophobia in this thread is appalling.

Only Religious organisations and most don't. To not agree that Folau should be vilified and sacked does not equate to homophobia.

 

[raskolnikov]

You don't like being vilified, but you find it ok to vilify Folau and other Christians by using the term "invisible friends" You're correct about the double standards.

So, you're fine with gays being victimised and vilified but not Christians.
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Gotcha.

 

[RupieDupie]

You don't like being vilified, but you find it ok to vilify Folau and other Christians by using the term "invisible friends" You're correct about the double standards.

Po from Kung Fu panda - redirecting the evil back to the source - especially back to the People in Power who deliberately mislead, coerce, terrorise, subjugate etc