Religion Folau

[SBD Gonzalez]

Sorry but for ffffffffffffsssssssssss this is not a breach of contract case , that is a state issue. This is unlawful dissmisal case federally, it has very little to do with the contract.

Not my area of expertise but I would have thought a one-on-one contract between specific parties was a very different kettle of fish legally to a one-size-fits-all employment bargain agreement.

If two parties willingly sign a legal agreement in full knowledge of the implications contained therein, then it's pretty much enforceable come hell or high water.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Didn't you also say this morning that it's possible for the Libs to govern for the next twenty years?

These people can't be very well organised if you think that could be the case.

Absolutely. The left has become detached from it's base.

I also stated that the Libs have to be smart enough to identify the divide and navigate it properly.

 

[Opine]

Spot on Opine, I am an atheist when it comes to institutionalized religion, biggest load of horse **** and an amazing con perpetrated on the human race IMO.

Ok, each to their own; I respect your choice. However, given your not a follower and that you consider religious doctrine as a "con," why are you offended by the notion of a religious destination called "hell" ?

Logically, if religion is a "con" its doctrinal details are also elements of the same "con; therefore "hell' is false. If the point in dispute is false, how does it logically constitute bigotry and hypocrisy? it simply does not exist and is no cause for concern to you.

Sounds to me like your more concerned with impacting and influencing religious detail; despite that you consider it a falsehood.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Then we have the absurdity of a multi-millionaire raising funds for his legal defence.

It's not like it was promoted by advertising. The narrative has been dominated by RA, their sponsors and media sympathetic to them, but the public have quietly observed events and formed their own opinion. And they don't like the circumstances of Folau's sacking.

 

[Snake_Baker]

If two parties willingly sign a legal agreement in full knowledge of the implications contained therein, then it's pretty much enforceable come hell or high water.

Rubbish. Contracts would be voided every day of the week.

 

[Balls In]

Injustice?

Andrew Mallard was injustice. Daryl Beamish was injustice. John Button was injustice.

Israel Folau is just a greedy narcissist and a zealot.

So now the charity watchdog joins Qantas, Rugby Australia, the ANZ and Gofundme to stop the Folou's from arguing for his job he lost for quoting the bible in A FREAKING FACEBOOK POST!!!

 

[Snake_Baker]

So now the charity watchdog joins Qantas, Rugby Australia, the ANZ and Gofundme to stop the Folou's from arguing for his job he lost for quoting the bible in A FREAKING FACEBOOK POST!!!

Now try and imagine a world where the people mobilising this seized ultimate political power?

It can't be allowed to happen.

 

[skipper kelly]

The main motive? $$$$$
That's the very reason terms like this exist for high profile sportsmen and women, protection of sponsorship dollars. People pretending this is a free speech issue are way off the mark.

Then we have the absurdity of a multi-millionaire raising funds for his legal defence.

For some it is free speech, for some it is anti gay, for some it is anti religion, for some it is a rght/left shit fight, for not many it is the love for upholding contract law (that's my favourite), for some it is feigned outrage, for some it is anti feigned outrage, for some it is jealousy of wealth, for some it is a race to victimhood and on and on the list of reasons can go.

Not much of it is rational.

edit - I left out for some it's think of the children.

 

[M Malice]

Ok, each to their own; I respect your choice. However, given your not a follower and that you consider religious doctrine as a "con," why are you offended by the notion of a religious destination called "hell" ?

Logically, if religion is a "con" its doctrinal details are also elements of the same "con; therefore "hell' is false. If the point in dispute is false, how does it logically constitute bigotry and hypocrisy? it simply does not exist and be no cause for concern to you.

Sounds to me like your more concerned with impacting and influencing religious detail; despite that you consider it a falsehood. I have no issue with that.

I'm not offended, I don't like bigotry. IMO this sort of social media post that Folau regurgitated will in the future be seen as similar to how racism is viewed now.

Could you imagine the level of justifiable outrage and condemnation if the post was about a particular race going to hell.

 

[RupieDupie]

Injustice rammed down their throats by the PC thought police.. cant you read?

Those bloody Righties... their fear and terror campaign just cost us the fecking Murwillumbah Banana Festival! It is those anti-PC thought police gone completely bonkers! Next thing you know we won't even be allowed to cross the streets...

"Ms Mudge said while she understood public safety concerns about the use of vehicles as weapons, she believed the requirements were an overreach.

"Do we really think that ISIS is going to come to Murwillumbah because they don't like bananas and try to run our 6-foot banana Jim off the street? I don't think so," she said.

In a statement to the ABC, New South Wales police defended the hostile vehicle guidelines for crowded places, which were developed by the Australian-New Zealand Counter-Terrorism Committee."

 

[Snake_Baker]

I'm not offended, I don't like bigotry. IMO this sort of social media post that Folau regurgitated will in the future be seen as similar to how racism is viewed now.

Could you imagine the level of justifiable outrage and condemnation if the post was about a particular race going to hell.

That's a stretch.

Color doesn't get in the way of them accepting money.

 

[Balls In]

Now try and imagine a world where the people mobilising this seized ultimate political power?

It can't be allowed to happen.

Yeah there's a lot of unelected power being abused/exposed in all this.

 

[Downhill Skier]

Maybe you can choose to ignore how about young people that are going through their struggles with their sexuality?

The think of the children argument ?

What do you suggest is the answer . Do you believe Christians or Muslims or religious people in general should not be allowed to post things that could be considered offensive on social media .

Or should we just ban any words that people could consider offensive because it hurts peoples feelings . Instagram has not even removed FOLAU’s post as they obviously don’t believe it breached their terms of service .

 

[skipper kelly]

Could you imagine the level of justifiable outrage and condemnation if the post was about a particular race going to hell.

That depends on what the fairytale books states.

I think it would be funnier if it was a white bloke who posted the meme. That would add an extra layer of outrage.

 

[Not Important]

Lol.

tick. sad someone could be so dumb.

 

[skipper kelly]

His stupid religious views on who will go to Hell doesn’t mean he hates them.

If I had the magic keys to the mythical places then I wouldn't be sharing them with people I hate.

 

[Sainteric]

Not my area of expertise but I would have thought a one-on-one contract between specific parties was a very different kettle of fish legally to a one-size-fits-all employment bargain agreement.

If two parties willingly sign a legal agreement in full knowledge of the implications contained therein, then it's pretty much enforceable come hell or high water.

All employment contracts can have whatever you want in them.

But the problem is you are restricted federally and by the state's more than any other contract in what you can enforce and regardless of that what is reasonable.

So just because you willingly agree to something doesn't mean you pay the price. Very simplistically and without getting into whether he did this as a private person or not there are two pieces of legislation that come into play the various state anti discrimination legislation and fairwork act. In NSW the anti descrimination legislation may not protect him with a religious exemption and the contract may be able to be enforced, in Victoria it possibly would protect him. Contracts go through the state courts.

Regardless of the contract fairwork protects employees against discrimination including religion, this goes through the commission and probably the federal court. This does not require him to be on an award/EA specifically. This is what folau is relying on that it was unlawful to dismiss him , not fighting the contract clauses per se.

Hope that makes sense

 

[Not Important]

The ACL has raised over $500k in 24 hours. It's none of anybody's business but I feel I have to say I'm not gay and it feels like a punch in the face. I can't imagine any decent person taking up a fight for the right to harass and bully a group of people, particularly of minority on the basis of their sexuality. Just urgh ....

but you aren't from the religious right. those zealots are nut cases who won't be happy until there is nothing that can't be published. harrass, bully, force their views down your throat, tell you how to live. all in their weirdo kit bag. hope weirdo folau's notion of there being a hell turns out true and he burns there.

 

[Opine]

I'm not offended, I don't like bigotry. IMO this sort of social media post that Folau regurgitated will in the future be seen as similar to how racism is viewed now.

Could you imagine the level of justifiable outrage and condemnation if the post was about a particular race going to hell.

Yep, I agree. But we aren't going to get to that point in the future by intimidating those with differing beliefs into silence, Fork that.

 

[GuzzLG]

An aspiration? WOW!

You don't aspire to be homosexual, you just are, there is no choice. I'm a man and am sexually attracted to women, some men are sexually attracted to other men plain and simple.

They could no more change or convert to the perceived "right way" than I could to homosexuality.

Can aspire to have more homosexuals employed/promoted.

 

[Kurve]

Yeah there's a lot of unelected power being abused/exposed in all this.

Okay, if the issue of freedom of speech or corporate overreach whatever is such a massive problem that it needs addressing what I don't understand is why it has to be Folau's particular religious bigotry the fight is raised on?

Really?

This is what makes me suspicious of it all and that people supporting this garbage really just want the right to bully gay people and damage their employers brand without consequence.

 

[Le Grille]

Can aspire to have more homosexuals employed/promoted.

Probably more an aspiration not to allow sexuality to impact employment prospects

 

[Tiger08]

I'm not offended, I don't like bigotry. IMO this sort of social media post that Folau regurgitated will in the future be seen as similar to how racism is viewed now.

Could you imagine the level of justifiable outrage and condemnation if the post was about a particular race going to hell.

Firstly if you dont like bigotry why are you being a bigot towards people's religous views?

Secondly, the social media post is a quote from the bible. Christianity's view on homosexuality is pretty clear and i think I'm right in saying the bible has been reprinted more often than any other book in the history of the world. Folau's post being "regurgitated" isn't going to make much difference.

And finally.. how long did it take until the ultimate pinnacle of outrage triggers came up? RACE!! If only the bible had more racist content, it would be even easier to bash! If anything, noawadays I'd suggest religious observance is a lot more common in a lot of non-caucasian communities in Australia. They may even view your bigotry toward their religion as racist. Would you jump up and tell a group of Muslims that their religion was a massive con?

 

[skipper kelly]

Firstly if you dont like bigotry why are you being a bigot towards people's religous views?

Mate cmon. Bigotry and hatred is fine as long as you are responding to bigotry and hatred.

It's the "he started it" rule.

 

[Maggie5]

Would you jump up and tell a group of Muslims that their religion was a massive con?

If the person was a high profile sports person who breached the code of conduct of his sport in the same circumstances and then sought $3M to help his legals costs? Yes I think I would. Would you?

I most definitively wouldn't donate and I would be surprised if those that have contributed to Folau would either.