The off topic thread 4.0

[WealstoneRaider]

Sure, he has the right to express them. And he, like everyone else, should understand that there are consequences for his actions.

So the consequences are being deplatformed for not having a view that is mainstream? That can’t be right. There are laws that the large tech companies operate without political bias. We need to get back to being open and able to discuss matters honestly. It’s the left who are shutting that down

 

[Loonerty]

So the consequences are being deplatformed for not having a view that is mainstream? That can’t be right. There are laws that the large tech companies operate without political bias. We need to get back to being open and able to discuss matters honestly. It’s the left who are shutting that down

He broke terms of his contract. He had been warned previously and did it again.

He hasn't been shut down either, the post in question is still visible on his Instagram page.
He made the gofundme, and it was removed because he also broke the terms of that agreement.

 

[SM]

So the consequences are being deplatformed for not having a view that is mainstream? That can’t be right. There are laws that the large tech companies operate without political bias. We need to get back to being open and able to discuss matters honestly. It’s the left who are shutting that down

Who has stopped the discussion? His post hasn't been taken down.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

He broke terms of his contract. He had been warned previously and did it again.

He hasn't been shut down either, the post in question is still visible on his Instagram page.
He made the gofundme, and it was removed because he also broke the terms of that agreement.

So his contract denied him the right to express his religious beliefs openly? That’s rather draconian and pretty dangerous. We should be allowed to have and express our free will of thought, otherwise we are heading to a World that will consist solely of SM type robots, who are totally incapable of existing alongside those who have differing opinions.

 

[Loonerty]

So his contract denied him the right to express his religious beliefs openly? That’s rather draconian and pretty dangerous.

Well yes, because he is an ambassador for the bran and so his views reflect on the ARU as a whole.
And also - he agreed to it. And was warned previously.

Ww should be allowed to have and express our free will of thought, otherwise we are heading to a World that will consist solely of SM type robots, who are totally incapable of existing alongside those who have differing opinions.

Again, there is nothing stopping him from expressing his views, but there are always consequences.
This is something that you're maybe missing.

He hasn't been convicted. He hasn't broken any laws. But you don't have to break laws to have consequences.

 

[SM]

So his contract denied him the right to express his religious beliefs openly? That’s rather draconian and pretty dangerous. We should be allowed to have and express our free will of thought, otherwise we are heading to a World that will consist solely of SM type robots, who are totally incapable of existing alongside those who have differing opinions.

This robot's irony meter just exploded.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Fwoy

PJW nails it on my hometown. Ducking depressing shithole it has become. Makes me so angry

 

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Fwoy

PJW nails it on my hometown. Ducking depressing ****hole it has become. Makes me so angry

If only there was a way to send private messages about things you want to discuss with only one other person.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

If only there was a way to send private messages about things you want to discuss with only one other person.

Others are more than welcome to chip in

 

[Cruyff14]

Either way, Folau is a ******* twat.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

Either way, Folau is a ******* twat.

He may well be, but even twats have a right to an opinion.

End of the day, diversity of opinion is always overlooked when people talk about diversity. The world is an infinitely more dull place if everyone thought the same thing. Imagine a world full of SM’s, do you think that would be fun?

Also I never understand why people now get so offended. It’s built into us that we need to feel this way, where as previously it was “sticks and stones may break my bones...” you know the rest. If I was gay, I wouldn’t care 2 shits if people thought I was going to Hell. So ******* what, everyone’s entitled to an opinion, it’s not going to effect me. We are breeding a generation who are completely ill-equipped to deal with the harsh realities of life and the only way they seem to be able to counter that is by censoring people even more

 

[SM]

He may well be, but even twats have a right to an opinion.

End of the day, diversity of opinion is always overlooked when people talk about diversity. The world is an infinitely more dull place if everyone thought the same thing. Imagine a world full of SM’s, do you think that would be fun?

Also I never understand why people now get so offended. It’s built into us that we need to feel this way, where as previously it was “sticks and stones may break my bones...” you know the rest. If I was gay, I wouldn’t care 2 ****s if people thought I was going to Hell. So ******* what, everyone’s entitled to an opinion, it’s not going to effect me. We are breeding a generation who are completely ill-equipped to deal with the harsh realities of life and the only way they seem to be able to counter that is by censoring people even more

You've played the man twice now, stop being a CSM.

 

[WealstoneRaider]

You've played the man twice now, stop being a CSM.

You’re such a hypocrite. You called me a campaigner right from the get go.

Just another example of you being completely unable to listen to any opinion that differs from your own. A specialist in snowflakery if ever there were one

 

[Zoom]

He may well be, but even twats have a right to an opinion.

End of the day, diversity of opinion is always overlooked when people talk about diversity. The world is an infinitely more dull place if everyone thought the same thing. Imagine a world full of SM’s, do you think that would be fun?

Also I never understand why people now get so offended. It’s built into us that we need to feel this way, where as previously it was “sticks and stones may break my bones...” you know the rest. If I was gay, I wouldn’t care 2 ****s if people thought I was going to Hell. So ******* what, everyone’s entitled to an opinion, it’s not going to effect me. We are breeding a generation who are completely ill-equipped to deal with the harsh realities of life and the only way they seem to be able to counter that is by censoring people even more

I wouldn’t be surprised if the contemporary insulation of people has lead to the rise in mental illnesses. Some people have no psychological immunity and collapse under very little pressure as a result.

Just on the Folau situation, I have found some of the responses to be quite amusing. “There are sick kids out there that are far more worthy of donations”. Fair enough, but I’m guessing the same people weren’t spouting that line when Egg Boy was raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars, quite literally profiting from crime.

Then there’s the “Folau’s GoFundMe page should be shut down because he’s a homophobe”, yet you will find many GoFundMe pages asking to donate to mosques, when homosexual acts are forbidden in Islam and are liable to different punishments, including the death penalty. Convenient silence on that topic though.

The hypocrisy of these moralising bullies is truly mind blowing.

 

[Loonerty]

He may well be, but even twats have a right to an opinion.

End of the day, diversity of opinion is always overlooked when people talk about diversity. The world is an infinitely more dull place if everyone thought the same thing. Imagine a world full of SM’s, do you think that would be fun?

Also I never understand why people now get so offended. It’s built into us that we need to feel this way, where as previously it was “sticks and stones may break my bones...” you know the rest. If I was gay, I wouldn’t care 2 ****s if people thought I was going to Hell. So ******* what, everyone’s entitled to an opinion, it’s not going to effect me. We are breeding a generation who are completely ill-equipped to deal with the harsh realities of life and the only way they seem to be able to counter that is by censoring people even more

Here's where I think we have this fundamental disagreement.

I live my life with the mantra that whatever I do or say, I try to avoid anything that could hurt other people unless it's absolutely necessary (in cases like someone needing to be told something).

Folau is welcome to his beliefs. I think him expressing them has the potential to, and I'm sure has, hurt a lot of people. Particularly the gay community. He also said atheists in his post, so I guess the post targeted me as well but I'm not so bothered by it because I don't have the same struggles that gay people have just because I'm atheist.

Folau would be well aware that what he said would probably cause harm, which is ironically something Christians are taught to avoid I thought, but he went through with it anyway.

I'm not okay with that and I'll voice that I think what he did is wrong from a moral standpoint. You think the opposite, that everyone should be allowed to say whatever with no punishment it appears. Which I also disagree with.

Byt as it stands, and this is something you happened to not respond to in my last post, he agreed to a contract and then he broke that contract, and as a result was fired. That is a consequence.

Do you truly believe the world would be a better place if everyone could freely say anything they wanted with no consequence?

I certainly don't. I think it would only encourage bigotry and I don't think that's the way to a better society.

 

[Loonerty]

Just on the Folau situation, I have found some of the responses to be quite amusing. “There are sick kids out there that are far more worthy of donations”. Fair enough, but I’m guessing the same people weren’t spouting that line when Egg Boy was raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars, quite literally profiting from crime.

I also don't think the people donating to the Folau cause would have donated to the sick kids, so it's a bit of a moot point, I agree.

But the Folau fundraiser and the egg boy fundraiser were fairly different circumstances: one was a multi millionaire creating the fundraiser himself for his legal battle which was on the basis of bigotry. The other was created by the public for a 17 year old kid, who ended up making an enormous positive out of the situation (surely you will agree at least with this) by donating the funds to the victims of the Christchurch attack.

Then there’s the “Folau’s GoFundMe page should be shut down because he’s a homophobe”, yet you will find many GoFundMe pages asking to donate to mosques, when homosexual acts are forbidden in Islam and are liable to different punishments, including the death penalty. Convenient silence on that topic though.

I suspect very few of those are raising funds for a contract law case which is centred on bigotry with a millionaire defendant. Obviously it's a case by case situation but it's not quite fair to say "yeah well you shouldn't be criticising him because you aren't criticising these other ones" purely because there is so much more media attention on the Folau case so naturally people are going to be drawn to that single issue.

 

[Loonerty]

It does genuinely make me sad to think that people think that the world would be better if everyone was allowed to spew hate speech without facing any consequence. I couldn't think of a worse world to live in to be honest.

 

[glenferry23]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the contemporary insulation of people has lead to the rise in mental illnesses. Some people have no psychological immunity and collapse under very little pressure as a result.

Just on the Folau situation, I have found some of the responses to be quite amusing. “There are sick kids out there that are far more worthy of donations”. Fair enough, but I’m guessing the same people weren’t spouting that line when Egg Boy was raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars, quite literally profiting from crime.

Then there’s the “Folau’s GoFundMe page should be shut down because he’s a homophobe”, yet you will find many GoFundMe pages asking to donate to mosques, when homosexual acts are forbidden in Islam and are liable to different punishments, including the death penalty. Convenient silence on that topic though.

The hypocrisy of these moralising bullies is truly mind blowing.

Didn’t Eggboy donate the entire proceeds of that campaign to the Christchurch victims?

 

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I also don't think the people donating to the Folau cause would have donated to the sick kids, so it's a bit of a moot point, I agree.

But the Folau fundraiser and the egg boy fundraiser were fairly different circumstances: one was a multi millionaire creating the fundraiser himself for his legal battle which was on the basis of bigotry. The other was created by the public for a 17 year old kid, who ended up making an enormous positive out of the situation (surely you will agree at least with this) by donating the funds to the victims of the Christchurch attack.

I suspect very few of those are raising funds for a contract law case which is centred on bigotry with a millionaire defendant. Obviously it's a case by case situation but it's not quite fair to say "yeah well you shouldn't be criticising him because you aren't criticising these other ones" purely because there is so much more media attention on the Folau case so naturally people are going to be drawn to that single issue.

The Egg Boy convo has been done to death and I have been pretty vocal about my thoughts on it, so don’t want to flog a dead horse here, but regardless of what came from it, he was potentially profiting off assaulting someone and GoFundMe allowed it to play out. People wanted to reward him for his actions and weren’t aware that the donations were going to the victims of Christchurch because that was only made public later on. People just genuinely wanted to give him money, free stuff, holidays, etc. because he assaulted someone they didn’t like. Don’t you think that is like kind of f***ing dangerous and inciting violence? Completely different circumstances to Folau, but both GoFundMe accounts originated from stupid actions, yet only one was closed.

And fair enough regarding the media attention, but I’m also calling out GoFundMe’s policy that gives them the right to shut down certain pages like Folau’s. If they can shut down Folau’s GoFundMe page (which is based on his religious beliefs that support homophobia) then there are many more pages out there funding Islam (which is widely known to be extremely homophobic), but GoFundMe’s policy hasn’t been enforced on those pages. My question is why. There are clearly double standards at play here.

Didn’t Eggboy donate the entire proceeds of that campaign to the Christchurch victims?

Yes...?

 

[glenferry23]

The Egg Boy convo has been done to death and I have been pretty vocal about my thoughts on it, so don’t want to flog a dead horse here, but regardless of what came from it, he was potentially profiting off assaulting someone and GoFundMe allowed it to play out. People wanted to reward him for his actions and weren’t aware that the donations were going to the victims of Christchurch because that was only made public later on. People just genuinely wanted to give him money, free stuff, holidays, etc. because he assaulted someone they didn’t like. Don’t you think that is like kind of f***ing dangerous and inciting violence? Completely different circumstances to Folau, but both GoFundMe accounts originated from stupid actions, yet only one was closed.

And fair enough regarding the media attention, but I’m also calling out GoFundMe’s policy that gives them the right to shut down certain pages like Folau’s. If they can shut down Folau’s GoFundMe page (which is based on his religious beliefs that support homophobia) then there are many more pages out there funding Islam (which is widely known to be extremely homophobic), but GoFundMe’s policy hasn’t been enforced on those pages. My question is why. There are clearly double standards at play here.


Yes...?

Your exact words were “quite literally profiting from crime”. Which is why I questioned it, he donated the proceeds.

There was no profit.

 

[Zoom]

Your exact words were “quite literally profiting from crime”. Which is why I questioned it, he donated the proceeds.

There was no profit.

Yes there was.

A profit isn’t strictly a financial gain.

 

[chef]

 

[glenferry23]

Yes there was.

A profit isn’t strictly a financial gain.

I must be misunderstanding your point, what profit are you referring to?

 

[Zoom]

I must be misunderstanding your point, what profit are you referring to?

Profit by definition: the good result or advantage that can be achieved by a particular action or activity.

The good result or advantage = receiving money and being in a position to control 100% of received money

The action or activity = egging someone

 

[Loonerty]

The Egg Boy convo has been done to death and I have been pretty vocal about my thoughts on it, so don’t want to flog a dead horse here, but regardless of what came from it, he was potentially profiting off assaulting someone and GoFundMe allowed it to play out.

Because it didn't break the terms of service.

Don’t you think that is like kind of f***ing dangerous and inciting violence? Completely different circumstances to Folau, but both GoFundMe accounts originated from stupid actions, yet only one was closed.

Because it broke the terms of service.

And fair enough regarding the media attention, but I’m also calling out GoFundMe’s policy that gives them the right to shut down certain pages like Folau’s. If they can shut down Folau’s GoFundMe page (which is based on his religious beliefs that support homophobia) then there are many more pages out there funding Islam (which is widely known to be extremely homophobic), but GoFundMe’s policy hasn’t been enforced on those pages. My question is why. There are clearly double standards at play here.

As far as I understand it, and what I have seen, the terms of service refer specifically to legal cases where bigotry is involved. I assume there is also clauses for directly funding bigotry otherwise you'd probably get the KKK on there trying to get funding.

That's not the case for things like "Help us repair our Mosque after a flood" or similar cases like that. Because while yes, there are Muslims that openly speak negatively about homosexuality and there are nations where it is punishable by death (which is obviously atrocious), not all Mosques or Muslims share that belief. In the same way that not all Muslims are extremists or terrorists.

Not sure why you've only singled out Islam either because I guarantee there are likely Christian groups with GoFundMe pages who are just as homophobic or more so than the average Muslim community.