We need to do another couple of Free Kick Differential tables
One for home games and one for away games
You'd remember Hodgey acknowledging the crowd in the 2015 GF.
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We need to do another couple of Free Kick Differential tables
One for home games and one for away games
Go for it.We need to do another couple of Free Kick Differential tables
One for home games and one for away games
This is a proven world wide phenomenon.
What have all the other sports done about it? Nothing. All you can do is ensure teams have equal home and away games.
According to the freakanomics article the bias is involuntary - something the Umpires don't consciously do. And the effect is slight, depending on the sport.
Not sure why the op is so indignant that the AFL hasn't addressed this issue. I can't recall the EPL addressing it or any other sport.
The Richmond gameplan has revolved around relentless pressure on the opposition ball-carrier. Very easy to give away frees when you play like that. Probably something that Hardwick was happy to wear if it meant your opponents were coughing up the footy and getting killed on the turnovers.
The Tigers had very low possession totals for a team that won so often, meaning they probably weren't infringed against with the same regularity as a high possession team that made the ball & not tackling their main objective.
Richmond have also played with an undersized bullocking ruckman who basically tries nullify his taller opponents in the hitouts and beat them areound the ground - Nank gave away more frees than anyone in 2018
Behold... the Free Kick Differential table
Could there be more of an advantage than GF day?
Should GFs won by teams receiving an unearned/gifted home town advantage be asterisked, a div 2 win effect?
GFs are a relatively neutral audience.
Maybe 40% Melbourne team. 20% away team. 40% neutrals there for the spectacle/event.
GFs are a relatively neutral audience.
Maybe 40% Melbourne team. 20% away team. 40% neutrals there for the spectacle/event.
How do you know they aren't?All I am suggesting is Umpires are maybe 'coached' or reminded at breaks in games where there is a huge crowd and a huge crowd differential.
W. Bulldogs: 1st, 1st, 3rd, 3rdHere is this season.
Well, never really."not any more".
Well, never really.
Hawthorn was never in the Umpire's Top 5 even during their most successful period (from 2011 to 2015)
Frees For: 10th, 7th, 10th, 13th, 12th
F/A Diff : 15th , 7th , 8th , 7th , 6th
No. Not one game (2011-2015) was decided in Hawthorn's favour from a late free kick. Not one. You can look it up. We did lose a couple of close ones when umpires ignored possible Hawthorn frees and called 'play on'. (an unrewarded Cyril Rioli tackle vs Geelong springs to mind)Although there were a few games in one or two seasons that were decided in Hawthorn's favour with late free kicks in that period.
No. Not one game (2011-2015) was decided in Hawthorn's favour from a late free kick. Not one. You can look it up. We did lose a couple of close ones when umpires ignored possible Hawthorn frees and called 'play on'. (an unrewarded Cyril Rioli tackle vs Geelong springs to mind)
The games which people whinged about the most were the Preliminary Finals in 2012, 2014 and 2015 vs (Adelaide, Port and Freo). But that was just sour grapes - typical bitching from losing fans about a couple of frees against them during the game and ignoring the lucky unwarranted frees they received. This type of whining is always amplified during the finals. You never hear the winners whinging about the shiit decisions which they copped because they're too busy celebrating and looking ahead to their next match.
You're actually thinking of 2016 when Hawthorn narrowly beat the Saints and Crows in successive weeks early in the season. That's when #freekickhawthorn first reared it's head on social media. Basically, people were sick of Hawthorn winning Grand Finals and the general barracking against our team reached epic proportions.
It wasn't a free kick vs St Kilda. It was an inexperienced umpire who disallowed a Saints mark from their kickout which resulted in a lucky Hawthorn goal early in the last quarter. The media trolls ran with the "Poor Saints Robbed" headlines, but it was drawing a long bow. Umpiring was bad for both teams that day and Paddy McCartin had a kick from 40m to win the game, but he missed
The following Friday night, Puopolo kicked a bag of 6 vs Adelaide, including the winning goal from a late free kick, courtesy of Brodie Smith falling into his back. Poppy fell forwards like any other player would in that situation, but it was a clear infringement. Free kick every day of the week. Didn't stop everyone from bitching about it though.
Says the deluded Hawk fan. And #freekickhawthorn actually came from a run of home and away games in 2015 where free kicks given in Hawthorn's favour or not called against them resulted in Hawthorn wins.No. Not one game (2011-2015) was decided in Hawthorn's favour from a late free kick. Not one. You can look it up. We did lose a couple of close ones when umpires ignored possible Hawthorn frees and called 'play on'. (an unrewarded Cyril Rioli tackle vs Geelong springs to mind)
Nah they only average 28000 at the velodromeI dont think going back to the old VFL is the answer...
I also think what you you desribed above also perfectly describes Geelong's situation - who last time I looked were Victorian...
HooooorrayBecause the AFL has limited venues - I think the analysis requires deeper digging.
I would say that the 'crowd noise' factor only has an impact in games where it is say >70% of one team's crowd and where the crowd number is over 30,000.
This would be all the Eagles, Crows and Geelong home games.
All other games - the 'noise factor' would not be there.
So it wont be obvious in the overall figures above.
All I am suggesting is Umpires are maybe 'coached' or reminded at breaks in games where there is a huge crowd and a huge crowd differential.