Summer Should Melbourne Bid For The 2028 Games

[Roogal]

That analysis has about as much depth as a flea's footprint.

Insult me as much as you like but you can't deny a word of it can you? CAN YOU?

NO YOU CAN'T. So who's the flea?

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Insult me as much as you like but you can't deny a word of it can you? CAN YOU?

NO YOU CAN'T. So who's the flea?

I don't need to insult you, you have done it yourself. Your summary of the benefits and legacy is shallow. Just because that's all you remember doesn't mean that's what those who attended, participated and lived in the relevant city remembered.

At least you don't have to worry. Melbourne under the current rules wont get another Olympics so you wont have to worry about the hassle and the expense.

 

[Roogal]

Don't believe everything you read. I wanted to test the theory out myself that the Olympic Park in Athens was abandoned and unused. Categorically incorrect. I went in 2016 and the veldorome was being used by the national Greek cycling team for training and was holding a European cycling classic later that month. The basketball stadium was used by panathaniakos, a European basketball power, as their home court. Tennis courts were being used. The swimming pool had people training. People were training in various athletics events in the main Olympic stadium.

In Beijing the Olympic Park is a tourist hotspot and the water cube is now a water adventure park, the birds nest is used for a variety of events and the veldorome still used.

One thing that is plainly obvious is that the media drive the negative agenda in regards to cities that are hosting the Olympics or the aftermath.

Seriously? Feast your eyes on Athens: A picture paints a thousand words and there are hundreds of them showing Athens' venues.

the swimming pool

the kayak and canoeing venue

The finishing line complete with broken scoreboard at the rowing venue

The welcoming fountain

the hockey centre

The achery range

The archery range

Rusted seats at the swiming centre.

Broken concrete outside the Taekwondo stadium:

Beoken clockmat the canoe and slolom centre

Rusty seats at the Baseball centre

Outside the main sports hall:

Outside the main stadium:

The main promenadeof the main stadium:

The volleyball venue:

... setting venues aside, can Australia afford the $4 billion security bill that now comes with the Games?

 

[Roogal]

I don't need to insult you, you have done it yourself. Your summary of the benefits and legacy is shallow. Just because that's all you remember doesn't mean that's what those who attended, participated and lived in the relevant city remembered.

At least you don't have to worry. Melbourne under the current rules wont get another Olympics so you wont have to worry about the hassle and the expense.

Well I recommend that you feast your eyes upon Athens' legacy. And that said, in support of what you have just said, I do indeed hope that Melbourne is never dragged into that fray ever again. The effort and expense that was wasted for the 1996 bid in a campaign that was corrupted and decided by the AOC before Melbourne even submitted its bid in 1989 was scandalous.

Today, it would be a monumental waste of expense and time for a few weeks of glory. Seriously not worthy of the expense or effort. I liken the hosting of an Olympic Games these days to a young man having a big night out on the town followed by a great one night stand. The pleasures are momentary, the expense damnable, and he will be paying for it for at least the next 18 to 20 years of his life time.

Nobody will convince me that hosting the Olympic Games in this day and age is economically viable. So I suppose this is where we end the discussion, stop insulting each other, and agree to disagree.

 

[Blue1980]

Seriously? Feast your eyes on Athens: A picture paints a thousand words and there are hundreds of them showing Athens' venues.

the swimming pool

the kayak and canoeing venue

The finishing line complete with broken scoreboard at the rowing venue

The welcoming fountain

the hockey centre

The achery range

The archery range

Rusted seats at the swiming centre.

Broken concrete outside the Taekwondo stadium:

Beoken clockmat the canoe and slolom centre

Rusty seats at the Baseball centre

Outside the main sports hall:

Outside the main stadium:

The main promenadeof the main stadium:

The volleyball venue:

... setting venues aside, can Australia afford the $4 billion security bill that now comes with the Games?

Bloody hell its like Pripyat after Chernobyl

 

[Roogal]

Bloody hell its like Pripyat after Chernobyl

It is shocking how it all fell apart so quickly. I appreciate that many of the venues were built to be temporary, but it seems like after those games that they just locked the keys on the gates of the venues and walked away. A dreadful waste of money and resources.

My thoughts are that Melbourne has outgrown its capacity to support an Olympic Games. Melbourne's last roll of that dice was for the 96 Games. Since the 90s Melbourne has added nearly 2 million people with rail and road upgrades not keeping pace with the growth. It's public transport system, airport access and roads can barely cope today with 4.8 million people much less the 6 million who will be living there by 2032. Melbourne is still not building roads or upgrading public transport fast enough to keep up with its 108,000 per-year growth now, and it will get much worse before it gets any better in the future. Melbourne's public transport and airport capacity are not on par with London today and won't be for many years until the infrastructure catches up with the city's expansion. On these thing alone I suspect that for Melbourne to bid for and host a games anytime in the next 40 years would be a disaster for Australia's reputation and the city's image.

 

[kickazz]

Athens probably not the most representative example of post Olympic neglect to be fair. Greece has had bigger problems this century...

 

[pepsi]

Athens probably not the most representative example of post Olympic neglect to be fair. Greece has had bigger problems this century...

London is a fairer comparison as to how Melbourne would host an Olympics (in fact many of the organising team involved in Sydney were apart of london). Melbourne would host a great Olympics, but it won't happen for a long time.

 

[Sunfire]

Athens probably not the most representative example of post Olympic neglect to be fair. Greece has had bigger problems this century...

But how much did Athens contribute to those problems?

 

[pepsi]

But how much did Athens contribute to those problems?

Athens and greece were already on the path to financial self destruction. Hosting the olympics brought forward the issues, but joining the euro has been its biggest issue.

 

[BobbyMorri]

Brisbane 2032 seems a lock. It is fair to say that the Comm Games has been a success.

of course a lot of water has to go under a bridge first but SE Queensland will have first dig and it is theirs to stuff up.

 

[Donakebab]

Athens and greece were already on the path to financial self destruction. Hosting the olympics brought forward the issues, but joining the euro has been its biggest issue.

Nah even if they didn't join the Euro the place was a hot mess that was always going co collapse. Greece had massive amounts of debt leading into the GFC that had been understated since the demise of the Socialist state in the 80's, the immense levels of corruption across the board, the bloated public service and worthless companies propped up with excessive wages. If they weren't part of the Euro then they would have been crushed by hyperinflation of the drachma.

 

[NOBBYS]

Brisbane 2032 seems a lock. It is fair to say that the Comm Games has been a success.

of course a lot of water has to go under a bridge first but SE Queensland will have first dig and it is theirs to stuff up.

As a Gold Coast resident and businessman the games have been a disaster for locals in all ways.
The events and facilities have been terrific,but the so called rise in business never eventuated.
In fact the lead up (a month ) has been the worst ive seen in 20 years.
Quiet roads empty cafes,shopping malls deserted have locals feeling cheated by the expected large crowds.
Ridiculous high prices asked by Hotels etc compounded the problem,with families choosing other areas to
enjoy their school holidays.
Promotion of the Games by the CGOC and local council was nothing short of appalling.
Unfortunately the high cost of security will make these type of events unviable in the future.
Understand the need for so many security guards and police but it took a lot of the gloss at being at so
called fun events.

 

[Cmarsh]

As a Gold Coast resident and businessman the games have been a disaster for locals in all ways.
The events and facilities have been terrific,but the so called rise in business never eventuated.
In fact the lead up (a month ) has been the worst ive seen in 20 years.
Quiet roads empty cafes,shopping malls deserted have locals feeling cheated by the expected large crowds.
Ridiculous high prices asked by Hotels etc compounded the problem,with families choosing other areas to
enjoy their school holidays.
Promotion of the Games by the CGOC and local council was nothing short of appalling.
Unfortunately the high cost of security will make these type of events unviable in the future.
Understand the need for so many security guards and police but it took a lot of the gloss at being at so
called fun events.

Great point about the cost of security. I remember the Sydney Olympics security wasn't much more than people (non police) in embroidered red shirts. That was in a pre 9/11 world. Resources and money required for security have drastically changed since.

 

[Restricted Free Agent]

The security at GC was excessive but there were lots of lack spots. That's the problem with temporary venues I guess.

 

[Beejay Crow]

I think the Olympics is way to expensive for one location to host. Runs into the billions these days and never get their money back and stadiums turn into ghost towns after the Olympics, and only the richer countries can host. Why don't the IOC just say "We'll block out these 2 weeks for the Olympics and any location can bid to host any of the sports". You could have swimming in Hungary, rowing in Croatia and Weightlifting in Thailand. Package it out. Gives other countries a chance to host some of the Games. With all the different time zones you could have Olympics basically 24/7 for 2 weeks. All sports must have the best athletes/teams playing otherwise the sport is scrapped (NBA players in basketball, best football players, top 10 players in tennis and golf)

 

[pepsi]

I think the Olympics is way to expensive for one location to host. Runs into the billions these days and never get their money back and stadiums turn into ghost towns after the Olympics, and only the richer countries can host. Why don't the IOC just say "We'll block out these 2 weeks for the Olympics and any location can bid to host any of the sports". You could have swimming in Hungary, rowing in Croatia and Weightlifting in Thailand. Package it out. Gives other countries a chance to host some of the Games. With all the different time zones you could have Olympics basically 24/7 for 2 weeks. All sports must have the best athletes/teams playing otherwise the sport is scrapped (NBA players in basketball, best football players, top 10 players in tennis and golf)

Sounds awfully a lot just like the world championships. Not really a fan at all of this suggestion. Certainly doesn't resemble the Olympics.

 

[Jpw22511]

So its a bid for brisbane 2032.

 

[pepsi]

So its a bid for brisbane 2032.

Haven't seen any official announcement, but I'm behind it 100%. I'd love for Australia to host another olympics in my lifetime and with the olympics now seemingly only held in European/American summers, Brisbane seems the only realistic choice.

 

[Jpw22511]

Haven't seen any official announcement, but I'm behind it 100%. I'd love for Australia to host another olympics in my lifetime and with the olympics now seemingly only held in European/American summers, Brisbane seems the only realistic choice.

Where do they build an 80k stadium?

 

[mikey127]

Where do they build an 80k stadium?

What ever happened to ANZ stad5up there where the Broncos used to play. Think that was Brisbane equivalent to Waverley. Big capacity but hard to get there.

Could they build a train line to it and use it for the Olympics?

 

[Jpw22511]

What ever happened to ANZ stad5up there where the Broncos used to play. Think that was Brisbane equivalent to Waverley. Big capacity but hard to get there.

Could they build a train line to it and use it for the Olympics?

Would need alot of work to bring it up to scratch then what do they do with it? Broncos won't leave suncorp and the Lions wont be able to play there.

 

[pepsi]

If Brisbane host, I'd imagine a lot events would also be held on the gold coast.

 

[mikey127]

If Brisbane host, I'd imagine a lot events would also be held on the gold coast.

I heard that the IOC has just changed the rules so it can be hosted by a region rather than a city.

 

[mikey127]

Would need alot of work to bring it up to scratch then what do they do with it? Broncos won't leave suncorp and the Lions wont be able to play there.

2nd Brisbane NRL team??

What's it used for now?