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RussellEbertHandball
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And until the Abu Dhabi United Group /City Football Group bought them out, they struggled with this bland positioning, as they couldn't get the $$$ to drive success.
It's why the new Western United FC based out at Tarneit near the growth western growth corridor of Hoppers Crossing and Werribbee makes sense as the club will grow a distinctive character that represents those West Melbourne suburbs as they grow. Provided of course that the owners build that 15k stadium which was the linchpin of their bid, and sink enough working capital into the club.
Local entreprenuers who backed the bid, cant remember the names.
A-League Unveils New Plans for Western Melbourne Stadium
Concepts have been unveiled for a new $150 stadium to be based in Western Melbourne as part of the A-League's soccer expansion.
theurbandeveloper.com
Local entreprenuers who backed the bid, cant remember the names.
A-League Unveils New Plans for Western Melbourne Stadium
Concepts have been unveiled for a new $150 stadium to be based in Western Melbourne as part of the A-League's soccer expansion.
Because there are no public names
Its opportunistic property developers getting granted free land
How do you get on that gravy train, IF you are correct. I think I read some names, I'll go & look.
RussellEbertHandball
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500,000 people catchment is the sort of size you want for a national sports team.
AFL is the most expensive club set up to run re annual revenues needed to function. soccer is in the middle, basketball at the bottom of the men's national sports teams.
theurbandeveloper.com
The Wyndham growth corridor is Australia’s fastest growing municipality. By 2041, Wyndham is forecast to double in population to almost 490,000 residents. A future employment precinct in Werribee is also projected to drive 58,000 jobs to the region
AFL is the most expensive club set up to run re annual revenues needed to function. soccer is in the middle, basketball at the bottom of the men's national sports teams.
Once in a Lifetime Development Site Hits the Market
A 206 hectare landholding launched to market in Melbourne’s Wyndham corridor is one of the most unique development opportunities in Australia, accordi
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Personally doubtful this new stadium will ever get built. Club could be in trouble after 3 years if they dont play where their future supporters are based. If they play at AAMI, GMHBA and some at Mars stadium for several years while they contemplate building their stadium it might come too late. Hope the owners have deep pockets and are in it for the long term.
Could it be another Gold Coast United?
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500,000 people catchment is the sort of size you want for a national sports team.
AFL is the most expensive club set up to run re annual revenues needed to function. soccer is in the middle, basketball at the bottom of the men's national sports teams.
The Wyndham growth corridor is Australia’s fastest growing municipality. By 2041, Wyndham is forecast to double in population to almost 490,000 residents. A future employment precinct in Werribee is also projected to drive 58,000 jobs to the regionOnce in a Lifetime Development Site Hits the Market
A 206 hectare landholding launched to market in Melbourne’s Wyndham corridor is one of the most unique development opportunities in Australia, accordi
500k in 20 years time with precisely zero evidence that people even in Werribee are going to in the least bit identify with this team from Tarneit
Melbourne victory are the only profit making soccer franchise in the country and their exclusive catchment was all of Melbourne - a city with a decent soccer following that had no non ethnic team they could identify with previously
People talk about the Gold coast having no identity but it's been a real "place" for decades
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The Western suburbs and Geelong have close to 2 million people so there are plenty to market too but the new club will have to spend a heap on marketing as most of the new migrants to this area esp the Indians are not from soccer loving countries.500,000 people catchment is the sort of size you want for a national sports team.
AFL is the most expensive club set up to run re annual revenues needed to function. soccer is in the middle, basketball at the bottom of the men's national sports teams.
The Wyndham growth corridor is Australia’s fastest growing municipality. By 2041, Wyndham is forecast to double in population to almost 490,000 residents. A future employment precinct in Werribee is also projected to drive 58,000 jobs to the regionOnce in a Lifetime Development Site Hits the Market
A 206 hectare landholding launched to market in Melbourne’s Wyndham corridor is one of the most unique development opportunities in Australia, accordi
It will be a long slow grind similar to the Gold Coast IMHO and playing out of Kardinia Park for at least 2 years wont help either.
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I think we can all agree that at least they are based on something geographic, unlike what heart was. I don't trust the FFA decision making, so I am expecting this to flop badly TBH due to a lack of diligence.
Also, 180 mil is not a cheap stadium. Surely you can make one cheaper than this. In the UK, you can get a 15K stadium for 30mil pound.. Surely a cheap stadium in Australia wouldn't cost much more than that.
Also, 180 mil is not a cheap stadium. Surely you can make one cheaper than this. In the UK, you can get a 15K stadium for 30mil pound.. Surely a cheap stadium in Australia wouldn't cost much more than that.
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Metricon was about that wasnt it? 150ish?
A cheap stadium yes.
A good stadium, hell no.
But I'd be surprised if that sort of money ever got spent.
My guess is that they'll build a small capacity venue when it becomes obvious that they're not going to come anywhere near filling 15,000 seats on a consistent basis. Something like a main grandstand holding 3 or 4,000 with capacity for another few thousand in the outer. Partly for the above reason, but also partly to get it done quickly to give the club a chance. I'd be surprised if they lasted more than 2 seasons based out of Geelong whilst still maintaining to be a Melbourne team.
RussellEbertHandball
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$10,000 per seat if you want excellent corporate facilities and the latest technology is pretty standard minimum for small stadiums if you don't have to do major renovations, restricted where you can work etc. $15,000 per seat for the bigger 50,000+ stadiums is standard these days.
Wonder how well used the Corporate facilities are - last time I was at AAMI (for a Storm game) I was surprised how sparsely used they were.
Should WA Footy be concerned that this season has seen 5 of the top 11 lowest WAFL crowds since 1987?
http://www.waflfootyfacts.net/team/all/attendances.php#6
http://www.waflfootyfacts.net/team/all/attendances.php#6
RussellEbertHandball
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No idea, but Western United is about a 20-25 year property development play. The developers will play a big part in building housing to double the population in the existing catchment over that period.
They will try and get their money back over that period because they wont get it over 5-10 years. A-League clubs all lose money except for Melbourne United and Sydney FC in a very good year. The owners have been subsidising them, just like the AFL has been, and will be subsidising GC and GWS for most if not all of the next decade as well as this one.
They's why the private owners of A-League clubs wanted autonomy from FFA. They wanted some control if they were going to continue susbsiding the A-League clubs and its very existence.
In Oz, the world game clubs will have to be privately owned, not community membership owned for a long time to come.
If the developers lose their money then that is their problem. Once the stadium is built it could become a very cheap asset for someone if the property developers go belly up. Planning for anything less than a 20 year payback would be foolish. If it happens earlier, then its cream.
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(also FoxSports report)
CA has been exposed, & severely embarassed, at providing, knowingly, false "participant numbers". It claimed 1,650,000 participants for year ending 30.6. 2019; which included 684,356 registered players. An SMH count & analysis reveals, however, "...the number of unique cricketers playing during the past two years is 247,060..."!
The cause of the deliberate overcounting is the same player being counted multiple times for various formats of cricket; & CA's "estimate" of c. 950,000 players involved in school physical education cricket classes.
I am almost certain the FFA has similar issues with its claimed 2018 Official registered 1,851,683 "participant numbers".
Peruse the 2018 AF Participant Thread - post #32, above on BF's Footy Industry Sticky Thread, where Munro Mike has done the most expert analysis of both AFL & FFA & AusPlay participant nos. I have ever read.
He has revealed soccer's very "suspicious" recent HUGE growth in one-off Community Events, one-off Gala Day etc. soccer participants etc.- whilst, simultaneously, soccer CLUB nos. have, curiously, had very little growth in some areas.
School & community soccer/soccer programs & futsal (school & community) is played nearly 11 months of the year- thus the same players are far more likely to be counted, as "participants", multiple times (unlike AF, RL, & RU which are played for c. 5 months pa; & which are far more strenuous/longer recovery times, so few play multiple formats).
www.smh.com.au
www.foxsports.com.au
I expect CA will be publicly castigated for its duplicity; & its claims for funding from govts., councils, sponsors etc, based on grossly inflated participant numbers.
Anecdotally, cricket is having very good growth in females playing club cricket- but males from 16, & adult males, have been in a significant decline for many years; & many cricket clubs have closed. It seems many older male teenagers & adults don't want to spend a whole day playing cricket; & even for shorter matches, there is much player "inactivity". CA is changing its formats for kids' cricket, to make it more exciting, & to allow kids more involvement.
(also FoxSports report)
CA has been exposed, & severely embarassed, at providing, knowingly, false "participant numbers". It claimed 1,650,000 participants for year ending 30.6. 2019; which included 684,356 registered players. An SMH count & analysis reveals, however, "...the number of unique cricketers playing during the past two years is 247,060..."!
The cause of the deliberate overcounting is the same player being counted multiple times for various formats of cricket; & CA's "estimate" of c. 950,000 players involved in school physical education cricket classes.
I am almost certain the FFA has similar issues with its claimed 2018 Official registered 1,851,683 "participant numbers".
Peruse the 2018 AF Participant Thread - post #32, above on BF's Footy Industry Sticky Thread, where Munro Mike has done the most expert analysis of both AFL & FFA & AusPlay participant nos. I have ever read.
He has revealed soccer's very "suspicious" recent HUGE growth in one-off Community Events, one-off Gala Day etc. soccer participants etc.- whilst, simultaneously, soccer CLUB nos. have, curiously, had very little growth in some areas.
School & community soccer/soccer programs & futsal (school & community) is played nearly 11 months of the year- thus the same players are far more likely to be counted, as "participants", multiple times (unlike AF, RL, & RU which are played for c. 5 months pa; & which are far more strenuous/longer recovery times, so few play multiple formats).
How we exposed Cricket Australia's double counting
Thousands of registered cricketers in Australia have been counted more than once - and some up to 10 times.
Bombshell report accuses Cricket Australia of inflating participation figures
Bombshell report accuses Cricket Australia of inflating player figures
www.foxsports.com.au
I expect CA will be publicly castigated for its duplicity; & its claims for funding from govts., councils, sponsors etc, based on grossly inflated participant numbers.
Anecdotally, cricket is having very good growth in females playing club cricket- but males from 16, & adult males, have been in a significant decline for many years; & many cricket clubs have closed. It seems many older male teenagers & adults don't want to spend a whole day playing cricket; & even for shorter matches, there is much player "inactivity". CA is changing its formats for kids' cricket, to make it more exciting, & to allow kids more involvement.
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RussellEbertHandball
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The 2011 Argus Review win at all costs strategies fully implemented?? James Sutherland got out before this crap hit the fan.SMH 21.7.19 M.Knox
(also FoxSports report)
CA has been exposed, & severely embarassed, at providing, knowingly, false "participant numbers". It claimed 1,650,000 participants for year ending 30.6. 2019; which included 684,356 registered players. An SMH count & analysis reveals, however, "...the number of unique cricketers playing during the past two years is 247,060..."!
The cause of the deliberate overcounting is the same player being counted multiple times for various formats of cricket; & CA's "estimate" of c. 950,000 players involved in school physical education classes.
I am almost certain the FFA has similar issues with its claimed 2018 Official registered 1,851,683 "participant numbers".
Peruse the 2018 AF Participant Thread - post #32, above on BF's Footy Industry Sticky Thread, where Munro Mike has done the most expert analysis of both AFL & FFA & AusPlay participant nos. I have ever read.
He has revealed soccer's very "suspicious" recent HUGE growth in one-off Community Events, one-off Gala Day etc. soccer participants etc.- whilst, simultaneously, soccer CLUB nos. have, curiously, had very little growth in some areas.
School & community soccer/soccer programs & futsal (school & community) is played nearly 11 months of the year- thus the same players are far more likely to be counted, as "participants", multiple times (unlike AF, RL, & RU which are played for c. 5 months pa; & which are are far more strenuous/longer recovery times, so few play multiple formats).
How we exposed Cricket Australia's double counting
Thousands of registered cricketers in Australia have been counted more than once - and some up to 10 times.
Bombshell report accuses Cricket Australia of inflating participation figures
Bombshell report accuses Cricket Australia of inflating player figures
I expect CA will be publicly castigated for its duplicity; & its claims for funding from govts., councils, sponsors etc, based on grossly inflated participant numbers.
Anecdotally, cricket is having very good growth in females playing club cricket- but males from 16, & adult males, have been in a significant decline for many years; & many cricket clubs have closed. It seems many older male jnrs & adults don't want to spend a whole day playing cricket; & even for shorter matches, there is much player "inactivity". CA is changing its formats for kids' cricket, to make it more exciting, & to allow kids more involvement.
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Wow, asking for a little bit there Western United/FFA. They can bugger off TBH. Prefer that money spent elsewhere that actually keeps the money in the state. An actual football/soccer ground which can host an FFA cup game for one. Plus there is no value here for the Tass Taxpayer.
In comparison, the NBL asked for 300K for the 9 team NBL Blitz pre-season comp with clinics all around the state. And North get 500K per game( I think, but I am in the right forum if I got that wrong)
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