LOL at the 'honest' media comment
… those Cornses, got to love them
… those Cornses, got to love them
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How can people say this unironically?I found myself wondering yesterday what it is that Dixon provides that Butcher couldn't have provided. Take a big defender, crash a few packs, take a good mark every so often, convert 1 in every 4 shots on goal seemingly at random. It confuses me to be frank.
How can people say this unironically?
Is this just a meme I’m not in on? Butcher wasn’t even up to SANFL ffs.
What the * are you talking about honestlySo by your own Admission Dixon isn't even SANFL standard?
How can people say this unironically?
Is this just a meme I’m not in on? Butcher wasn’t even up to SANFL ffs.
Yeah let’s calm down with the Butch comparisons. We loved him back in the day but he was pure s**t compared to Dixon.
Career averages:
Dixon - 11.72d/3.92m/1.56g
Butcher - 8.71d/3.29m/1.32g
I guess Dixon just shades Butcher statistically. But let's consider that one of these guys was delisted after spasmodic opportunity under Hinkley whilst the other was traded in at the cost of two first round draft picks plus probably $650-700k cap space per season.
Essentially, they are similar players for me. Lion hearted efforts that can't be questioned, good at crashing packs and drawing defenders, can take the odd great mark, struggle to actually kick goals. I think Butcher is a better ground level player and a better mark on the lead. Dixon is a better kick for goal on average. But overall, I think they are interchangeable players.
We don’t seem to rate forward coaching. I don’t get why we haven’t moved hell and high water for a competent coach in our forward line.Hinkleys game plan has wasted Dixon just like he has ruined many players. In his last three years at the GC he averaged 2.5 goals a game.
Hinkley expects super hikes efforts from Dixon, To say he is no better (or only slightly better) than Butcher is rediculous.
Hinkley would make peak Franklin look only average.
Ports forward coach is like *the defence against dark arts* position at Hogwarts.. cursed.We don’t seem to rate forward coaching. I don’t get why we haven’t moved hell and high water for a competent coach in our forward line.
The crux of your argument is that Hinkley's coaching has wasted the careers of KPFs. I agree with this, but the argument applies equally to the career of Butcher, does it not? Statistically, Butcher and Dixon are very similar, as pointed out by TeeKray. Both have underperformed, and the common theme is Hinkley's coaching. Both players may have been more successful with better forward coaching.Hinkleys game plan has wasted Dixon just like he has ruined many players. In his last three years at the GC he averaged 2.5 goals a game.
Hinkley expects super hikes efforts from Dixon, To say he is no better (or only slightly better) than Butcher is rediculous.
Hinkley would make peak Franklin look only average.
Hinkleys game plan has wasted Dixon just like he has ruined many players. In his last three years at the GC he averaged 2.5 goals a game.
Hinkley expects super hikes efforts from Dixon, To say he is no better (or only slightly better) than Butcher is rediculous.
Hinkley would make peak Franklin look only average.
Dixon is miles ahead of Butch, I loved Butch like everyon, don’t doubt other coaches would have got more from him but he’d never of been on Charlie’s level.The crux of your argument is that Hinkley's coaching has wasted the careers of KPFs. I agree with this, but the argument applies equally to the career of Butcher, does it not? Statistically, Butcher and Dixon are very similar, as pointed out by TeeKray. Both have underperformed, and the common theme is Hinkley's coaching. Both players may have been more successful with better forward coaching.
On what basis? Statistically, it simply isn't the case.Dixon is miles ahead of Butch
Year | Team | GM | K | H | D | M | G | B | T | HO | FF | FA | GA | I50 | CL | CG | R50 | BL |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2019 | 5 | 32 | 24 | 56 | 12 | 6 | 8 | 10 | 16 | 11 | 12 | 3 | 7 | 6 | 24 | 0 | | |
2018 | 20 | 158 | 107 | 265 | 82 | 26 | 24 | 51 | 159 | 35 | 29 | 13 | 50 | 26 | 54 | 6 | 3 | |
2017 | 23 | 218 | 117 | 335 | 149 | 49 | 30 | 71 | 29 | 34 | 32 | 16 | 80 | 11 | 64 | 0 | 8 | |
2016 | 18 | 102 | 103 | 205 | 70 | 30 | 16 | 31 | 21 | 19 | 23 | 8 | 33 | 4 | 48 | 3 | 2 | |
2015 | Suns | 16 | 102 | 49 | 151 | 59 | 41 | 15 | 27 | 32 | 31 | 21 | 4 | 17 | 9 | 40 | 1 | 6 |
2014 | Suns | 14 | 74 | 55 | 129 | 37 | 24 | 9 | 28 | 69 | 18 | 13 | 3 | 14 | 14 | 19 | 6 | |
2013 | Suns | 13 | 93 | 73 | 166 | 42 | 19 | 7 | 31 | 135 | 19 | 8 | 10 | 37 | 42 | 22 | 7 | 4 |
2012 | Suns | 12 | 89 | 62 | 151 | 48 | 4 | 6 | 21 | 93 | 16 | 16 | 3 | 19 | 28 | 26 | 19 | |
2011 | Suns | 10 | 39 | 38 | 77 | 14 | 6 | 4 | 18 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 5 | 12 | 4 | 22 | 1 | |
Year | Team | GM | K | H | D | M | G | B | T | HO | FF | FA | GA | I50 | CL | CG | R50 | BL |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2019 | 15 | 135 | 141 | 276 | 56 | 18 | 13 | 57 | 0 | 17 | 11 | 8 | 43 | 21 | 33 | 6 | | |
2018 | 19 | 148 | 145 | 293 | 68 | 21 | 16 | 53 | 0 | 21 | 13 | 7 | 41 | 17 | 44 | 15 | 4 | |
2017 | 23 | 261 | 150 | 411 | 139 | 28 | 28 | 53 | 0 | 21 | 13 | 10 | 76 | 13 | 50 | 26 | 3 |
Year | Team | GM | K | H | D | M | G | B | T | HO | FF | FA | GA | I50 | CL | CG | R50 | BL |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2016 | 7 | 33 | 33 | 66 | 22 | 10 | 4 | 13 | 0 | 5 | 7 | 2 | 11 | 1 | 12 | 1 | | |
2015 | 20 | 153 | 74 | 227 | 110 | 44 | 17 | 45 | 0 | 20 | 22 | 5 | 34 | 4 | 39 | 4 | 1 | |
2014 | 25 | 219 | 94 | 313 | 160 | 66 | 26 | 57 | 3 | 24 | 28 | 15 | 50 | 2 | 52 | 4 | 6 | |
2013 | 24 | 216 | 134 | 350 | 146 | 49 | 26 | 52 | 1 | 27 | 26 | 8 | 52 | 26 | 52 | 3 | | |
2012 | 15 | 131 | 40 | 171 | 102 | 42 | 21 | 33 | 0 | 21 | 16 | 8 | 29 | 4 | 29 | 0 | 2 | |
2011 | 16 | 112 | 45 | 157 | 78 | 31 | 10 | 30 | 2 | 15 | 13 | 7 | 26 | 3 | 32 | 0 | 2 | |
2010 | 16 | 112 | 59 | 171 | 78 | 33 | 15 | 38 | 2 | 13 | 11 | 9 | 28 | 10 | 28 | 3 | 5 |
Statistically speaking Jay Shultz was only a marginally better shot at goal than Butch.On what basis? Statistically, it simply isn't the case.
Was it 6 or 10 years ago we were using the "which leper had more fingers" analogy?This is the clearest evidence this board has lot the plot, Butcher better then Dixon!!!
This is the clearest evidence this board has lot the plot, Butcher better then Dixon!!!
BUUUUUUTCH
Nobody ever said that.
The comparison was made between a guy who we traded in at the cost of two first round draft picks and pay a significant chunk of our salary cap to vs a guy we delisted and who the coach simply did not like or believe in over a long period of time.
Statistically, Dixon only just edges Butcher out, when their relative places within the club's estimations would suggest Dixon should be s**tting all over Butcher. Obviously statistics don't tell you everything but they are a vague indication. And watching the majority of games Dixon plays, it's easily arguable that Butcher would provide the same or similar output.