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You've only made me greener with envy. My brother lives in Germany and I'm planning to visit next year. I'm threatening to visit you as I'd love to explore Scandanavia!
Always welcome mate, short flight from Germany to here so just message me closer to the time if you're up for it.
 

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It's remarkable how popular the scandi shows have become over the past 10 years. You sound the same as my friends that visit, I can't get over how many of them watch the Swedish and Danish shows.

A couple of childhood friends of mine from Melbourne recently re-located to London and I hosted them for Midsummer which is a Swedish national holiday that derived from pagan times on the longest day of the year. It's a great day, lots of food and drink and we took them to a traditional dance around the Swedish maypole (which is like a giant penis....it was a pagan feritility ritual for the vikings/pre-vikings). They had a great day but apparently there is a popular horror movie that has just come out called midsummer that is like Sweden's Wolf Creek about some American's that have a bad midsummer experience in Sweden. My friends got freaked out by it when they saw it after they'd been here. Keep an eye out for it, m sure it will turn up in Australia soon. Not sure how happy the Swedish tourist board will be about it being so popular. :D
Sbs ondemand feature them a fair bit as a genre.

I started with Midnight Sun and got hooked.

Just a great change from staple USA crap.

Anything from Denmark and Norway as well.
 
It's remarkable how popular the scandi shows have become over the past 10 years. You sound the same as my friends that visit, I can't get over how many of them watch the Swedish and Danish shows.

A couple of childhood friends of mine from Melbourne recently re-located to London and I hosted them for Midsummer which is a Swedish national holiday that derived from pagan times on the longest day of the year. It's a great day, lots of food and drink and we took them to a traditional dance around the Swedish maypole (which is like a giant penis....it was a pagan fertility ritual for the vikings/pre-vikings). They had a great day but apparently there is a popular horror movie that has just come out called midsummer that is like Sweden's Wolf Creek about some American's that have a bad midsummer experience in Sweden. My friends got freaked out by it when they saw it after they'd been here. Keep an eye out for it, m sure it will turn up in Australia soon. Not sure how happy the Swedish tourist board will be about it being so popular. :D

edit, here's the trailer:



there is a general Scandi revival. A friend imports midcentury modern furniture from Denmark and Sweden. I wouldn't mind doing Scandivia and northern Europe next trip. Nordic Noir makes the whole place look like Wolf Creek with birch trees. Those forests in Northern Europe are pretty creepy, they stay pretty silent and all look the same so you feel disorientated really quickly. I walked through an area in rural Germany by myself when I was young and nearly got myself completely lost, then walked onto an army base and had to get dragged out by military police. It was eventful.
 

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Please describe what that is without using any '-isms'.

It is somebody who dismisses ideas such as universal health care and free education as socialism despite economic modelling showing that every dollar a government invests in them is returned with significant interest.

Somebody who considers the ideas above to be socialism (whilst referring to their supporters as communists) but are still happy to have multinational corporations be publically subsidised through tax cuts and bailouts.

People who are willfully ignorant to the realities of societal inequalities, dismissing them as simple political correctness.

People who claim to support freedom of religion, just so long as there isn't a mosque built in their town.

People who consider the ABC leftist propaganda even whilst they were being run by a Murdoch plant.

People who put their head in the sand regarding the proven dangers of man-caused climate change so they can continue to support the destruction of the planet for profit.

I can understand how the rich can adopt such an ideology from a self-serving perspective all moral issues aside. The thing I can't get my head around is the poor people who support the further concentration of wealth, somehow deceiving themselves that they may be one of the lucky ones some day.
 

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It is somebody who dismisses ideas such as universal health care and free education as socialism despite economic modelling showing that every dollar a government invests in them is returned with significant interest.

Somebody who considers the ideas above to be socialism (whilst referring to their supporters as communists) but are still happy to have multinational corporations be publically subsidised through tax cuts and bailouts.

People who are willfully ignorant to the realities of societal inequalities, dismissing them as simple political correctness.

People who claim to support freedom of religion, just so long as there isn't a mosque built in their town.

People who consider the ABC leftist propaganda even whilst they were being run by a Murdoch plant.

People who put their head in the sand regarding the proven dangers of man-caused climate change so they can continue to support the destruction of the planet for profit.

I can understand how the rich can adopt such an ideology from a self-serving perspective all moral issues aside. The thing I can't get my head around is the poor people who support the further concentration of wealth, somehow deceiving themselves that they may be one of the lucky ones some day.
This is dripping with opinion, and not in any way an objective description.

Some might say it's completely lacking in empathy and self-awareness. Ironically, both interpretations of that sentence describe the nouveau left, in my opinion.

 
This is dripping with opinion, and not in any way an objective description.

Some might say it's completely lacking in empathy and self-awareness. Ironically, both interpretations of that sentence describe the nouveau left, in my opinion.



Are you Jordan Petersen?

Anyway, the nouveau left and right are both broad churches, the academics of the left who study insanely odd subjects with a tenuous benefit to anything are an extreme. Just like greedy oligarchs that exploit any kind of resource for their own benefit are. Australia had a very good system with low unemployment and a fairly level playing field with what was pretty much a Social Democratic system, it has become much more uneven and we have modelled on a US system that is dysfunctional. People seem to get confused with the basic principals of left leaning governments and the whack job intellectuals who don't actually have any power though.

At the end of the day any system that shits on it's citizens is bad no matter which side you align yourself with. People seem to take sides in politics with out noticing what is good for them. Its an insane system in the US and possibly here where people vote against their own best interests.
 

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Are you Jordan Petersen?

Anyway, the nouveau left and right are both broad churches, the academics of the left who study insanely odd subjects with a tenuous benefit to anything are an extreme. Just like greedy oligarchs that exploit any kind of resource for their own benefit are. Australia had a very good system with low unemployment and a fairly level playing field with what was pretty much a Social Democratic system, it has become much more uneven and we have modelled on a US system that is dysfunctional. People seem to get confused with the basic principals of left leaning governments and the whack job intellectuals who don't actually have any power though.

At the end of the day any system that s**ts on it's citizens is bad no matter which side you align yourself with. People seem to take sides in politics with out noticing what is good for them. Its an insane system in the US and possibly here where people vote against their own best interests.
Intersectionality, which is the leftist extreme you reference, has killed all normal political discourse as it's become normalised by academic graduates of those studies.

Look at schools now indoctrinating children to the point where teachers have been found encouraging children to transition, with no indication the child was even questioning their gender -- without the parent's knowledge. To say this has no social power is terribly naive, and it's precisely why they're operating in this way. That's before we even get to the sheer madness being openly pushed by Hollywood and the music industry (has a single one of them moved to Canada yet?).

The Australian political system is beginning to mimic the Overton Window currently occurring in the U.S. because it's founded in academia, which gains traction through stunted peer review and has no geopolitical boundaries. A major factor behind this is the political bubbles created by social media and biased search/marketing algorithms.

I suggest looking at the Grievance Studies event further for evidence of what the peer-review process was approving and even suggesting as addition to those papers. Also, watch the lectures given by Lindsay, Pluckrose and Boghossian addressing intersectionality as a quasi-religion.


That some idiot, somewhere, will read this post and think 'nazi' or assume I'm a card-carrying member of the mystical 'alt-right' for simply questioning the current state of academic politic is further evidence of the problem.
 
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The whole people vs the multinationals argument is crap to me.
If we are to allow the products of multinationals in Australia....( Iphones, Cars, Materials, ), it would be best to encourage them to carry out other activities in Australia.

The whole, "lets tax the s**t out of them , cos they is rich anyways " argument is hogwash. They are rich ( sometimes not though ), but they will simply move out if they don't like it here, and we won't be better off.
They shouldn't be subsidised at the whim of some politician though, there should be a system to encourage business in Australia.
If the Unions in Australia have lost power , part of it is due to a lot of industries moving offshore.
 
Intersectionality, which is the leftist extreme you reference, has killed all normal political discourse as it's become normalised by academic graduates of those studies.

Look at schools now indoctrinating children to the point where teachers have been found encouraging children to transition, with no indication the child was even questioning their gender -- without the parent's knowledge. To say this has no social power is terribly naive, and it's precisely why they're operating in this way. That's before we even get to the sheer madness being openly pushed by Hollywood and the music industry (has a single one of them moved to Canada yet?).

The Australian political system is beginning to mimic the Overton Window currently occurring in the U.S. because it's founded in academia, which gains traction through stunted peer review and has no geopolitical boundaries. A major factor behind this is the political bubbles created by social media and biased search/marketing algorithms.

I suggest looking at the Grievance Studies event further for evidence of what the peer-review process was approving and even suggesting as addition to those papers. Also, watch the lectures given by Lindsay, Pluckrose and Boghossian addressing intersectionality as a quasi-religion.


That some idiot, somewhere, will read this post and think 'nazi' or assume I'm a card-carrying member of the mystical 'alt-right' for simply questioning the current state of academic politic is further evidence of the problem.


I think you are pretty biased in your views but doesn't make you a nazi. I know intellectuals and I have kids at school. There is no conspiracy to convert them into trans or gay, my kids are at a pretty progressive inner city public school. My daughter started at a Christian private school and the indoctrination into religion there as expected is overt, the sex education they receive at public schools is very generic and talks about gay people as normal but far from trying to make them gay against their will.

My wife is studying psychology and the data shows gay and trans people are more likely to commit suicide and suffer mental health issues. Making it normalised stops that. I had gay family friends growing up that we spent lots of time with and I never felt the need to run out and become gay and neither did my brother. We had a family friend who grew up with us, we knew he was gay by the time he was about 5, he was always wanting to play with the girls and dress up like one, he was born that way. We couldn't have straightened him up and he couldn't have converted us. I'm still friends with him, he's good guy.

There are right wing think tanks that push right wing agendas, the left have their own versions. You seem like smart guy, I would suggest you hold your views lightly, as you get older you realise that you can get very myopic in the way you see the world and extreme one sidedness is vary rarely makes you better off.

The works created under academia is a marvel of the western world, it is a knowledge base built on by generations, some studies are madness but like out-there philosophy and oddball studies of obscure things, they don't always seem like they add meaning, sometimes the meaningless stuff is the creative breakthrough that leads somewhere amazing.

The Grievance study is funny but like Sacha Baron-Cohen's show on America there are easy targets, it doesn't mean all academia is flawed and conspiring to NTTAWWT the world up.


I know politicians, they don't take sides like the public, my Labor party friend is best mates with a Liberal party member. They hang out together in their social life. If you take sides like it's a footy club you are taking it too seriously. Both sides of politics have their good and bad. I like Democratic socialism because I think it creates a cohesive safe society. I understand others don't think it's fair.
 
The whole people vs the multinationals argument is crap to me.
If we are to allow the products of multinationals in Australia....( Iphones, Cars, Materials, ), it would be best to encourage them to carry out other activities in Australia.

The whole, "lets tax the s**t out of them , cos they is rich anyways " argument is hogwash. They are rich ( sometimes not though ), but they will simply move out if they don't like it here, and we won't be better off.
They shouldn't be subsidised at the whim of some politician though, there should be a system to encourage business in Australia.
If the Unions in Australia have lost power , part of it is due to a lot of industries moving offshore.


I think you should tax multinationals just like you tax local business. Small business employs more people and pays tax. If they don't have a fair system then it rips them off. Apple etc pay very little tax and employ very few locals. A small profit on units is made and taxed but they creatively off shore the profits to pay no tax. Globalisation is not good for the middle classes who are the mass consumers and will lead to collapsed economies. The financial systems of the world need an overhaul but no-one knows how to get the world's economies to agree to anything.
 

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I think you are pretty biased in your views but doesn't make you a nazi. I know intellectuals and I have kids at school. There is no conspiracy to convert them into trans or gay, my kids are at a pretty progressive inner city public school. My daughter started at a Christian private school and the indoctrination into religion there as expected is overt, the sex education they receive at public schools is very generic and talks about gay people as normal but far from trying to make them gay against their will.

My wife is studying psychology and the data shows gay and trans people are more likely to commit suicide and suffer mental health issues. Making it normalised stops that. I had gay family friends growing up that we spent lots of time with and I never felt the need to run out and become gay and neither did my brother. We had a family friend who grew up with us, we knew he was gay by the time he was about 5, he was always wanting to play with the girls and dress up like one, he was born that way. We couldn't have straightened him up and he couldn't have converted us. I'm still friends with him, he's good guy.

There are right wing think tanks that push right wing agendas, the left have their own versions. You seem like smart guy, I would suggest you hold your views lightly, as you get older you realise that you can get very myopic in the way you see the world and extreme one sidedness is vary rarely makes you better off.

The works created under academia is a marvel of the western world, it is a knowledge base built on by generations, some studies are madness but like out-there philosophy and oddball studies of obscure things, they don't always seem like they add meaning, sometimes the meaningless stuff is the creative breakthrough that leads somewhere amazing.

The Grievance study is funny but like Sacha Baron-Cohen's show on America there are easy targets, it doesn't mean all academia is flawed and conspiring to NTTAWWT the world up.


I know politicians, they don't take sides like the public, my Labor party friend is best mates with a Liberal party member. They hang out together in their social life. If you take sides like it's a footy club you are taking it too seriously. Both sides of politics have their good and bad. I like Democratic socialism because I think it creates a cohesive safe society. I understand others don't think it's fair.
cracking post mate, take a bow
 

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I think you are pretty biased in your views but doesn't make you a nazi. I know intellectuals and I have kids at school. There is no conspiracy to convert them into trans or gay, my kids are at a pretty progressive inner city public school. My daughter started at a Christian private school and the indoctrination into religion there as expected is overt, the sex education they receive at public schools is very generic and talks about gay people as normal but far from trying to make them gay against their will.

My wife is studying psychology and the data shows gay and trans people are more likely to commit suicide and suffer mental health issues. Making it normalised stops that. I had gay family friends growing up that we spent lots of time with and I never felt the need to run out and become gay and neither did my brother. We had a family friend who grew up with us, we knew he was gay by the time he was about 5, he was always wanting to play with the girls and dress up like one, he was born that way. We couldn't have straightened him up and he couldn't have converted us. I'm still friends with him, he's good guy.

There are right wing think tanks that push right wing agendas, the left have their own versions. You seem like smart guy, I would suggest you hold your views lightly, as you get older you realise that you can get very myopic in the way you see the world and extreme one sidedness is vary rarely makes you better off.

The works created under academia is a marvel of the western world, it is a knowledge base built on by generations, some studies are madness but like out-there philosophy and oddball studies of obscure things, they don't always seem like they add meaning, sometimes the meaningless stuff is the creative breakthrough that leads somewhere amazing.

The Grievance study is funny but like Sacha Baron-Cohen's show on America there are easy targets, it doesn't mean all academia is flawed and conspiring to NTTAWWT the world up.


I know politicians, they don't take sides like the public, my Labor party friend is best mates with a Liberal party member. They hang out together in their social life. If you take sides like it's a footy club you are taking it too seriously. Both sides of politics have their good and bad. I like Democratic socialism because I think it creates a cohesive safe society. I understand others don't think it's fair.
If trans becomes normalised, gender dysphoria gets taken off the psychological disorder list. That means these people who need the help won't be helped by clinical psychiatrists until the point they're committed for self-harm/suicidal tendencies. ie. the people actually equipped to address their issue.

Instead, they'll have to settle for some shithead counsellor who's probably a drop-out volunteer that just smiles and nods but can't actively do anything.

Not only that, but you have medical doctors who can't even address someone's true illness due to the patient's request to deny reality on a whim.

'Excuse me, ma'am, I know you claim you don't have and never had any testicles, but you have testicular cancer.'

It's only now that a male-to-female 'trans' is going around sueing beauty parlors because they refuse to perform a brazilian wax on a man that intersectionalists are saying 'oh, we didn't think of that'. Congratulations, people; you created a situation in which a biological man can legally force a woman to touch their privates or cough up a huge sum of money.

You know who did see it coming? The people who were already looking at both sides that got chased out of the university.
 
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If trans becomes normalised, gender dysphoria gets taken off the psychological disorder list. That means these people who need the help won't be helped by clinical psychiatrists until the point they're committed for self-harm/suicidal tendencies. ie. the people actually equipped to address their issue.

Instead, they'll have to settle for some s**thead counsellor who's probably a drop-out volunteer that just smiles and nods but can't actively do anything.

Not only that, but you have medical doctors who can't even address someone's true illness due to the patient's request to deny reality on a whim.

'Excuse me, ma'am, I know you claim you don't have and never had any testicles, but you have testicular cancer.'

It's only now that a male-to-female 'trans' is going around sueing beauty parlors because they refuse to perform a brazilian wax on a man that intersectionalists are saying 'oh, we didn't think of that'. Congratulations, people; you created a situation in which a biological man can legally force a woman to touch their privates or cough up a huge sum of money.

You know who did see it coming? The people who were already looking at both sides that got chased out of the university.


A guy I used to play basketball with is married to a woman who's a paediatrician who works with trans youth and pushes for young people to get on hormones before puberty so that they aren't as masculine when they grow up. You probably wouldn't like her much, she's actually studied it a fair bit and it certainly isn't something that's taken lightly by anyone. These are rare cases and are probably more scrutinised than any other kids in the country. She was involved with the girl that was young Victorian of the year as a trans student.
 

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A guy I used to play basketball with is married to a woman who's a paediatrician who works with trans youth and pushes for young people to get on hormones before puberty so that they aren't as masculine when they grow up. You probably wouldn't like her much, she's actually studied it a fair bit and it certainly isn't something that's taken lightly by anyone. These are rare cases and are probably more scrutinised than any other kids in the country. She was involved with the girl that was young Victorian of the year as a trans student.
The first of the trans movement are now hitting their 40s and 50s and regretting the change. There are numerous ex-trans academics who are completely against the growing trend.



'My parents forced me to be trans when I was a kid and nothing bad ever happened to me'
 
The first of the trans movement are now hitting their 40s and 50s and regretting the change. There are numerous ex-trans academics who are completely against the growing trend.



'My parents forced me to be trans when I was a kid and nothing bad ever happened to me'



I'm sure there are, Trans isn't an area I have a lot of knowledge about. I'm sure there are examples of regret but you could probably find champions for it as well.

I do know I grew up around a lot of gay people who were celebrities at the time and living the high life. Some were major male influences in my life and I was never confused about my sexuality. I find it really hard to believe that there are people who will become gay or trans from watching a video at school.

I imagine people who are confused about gender identity are suffering regardless of transitioning or not. It would be pretty hard to deal with if you were feeling like you were a woman while you were in a man's body as well. I'm glad it's them and not me. The doctor I know was saying transitioning at any age is extremely hard, let alone as a teen. There are a lot of legal and physical barriers to do it. You can't just decide today and get your knob removed tomorrow.
 

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I'm sure there are, Trans isn't an area I have a lot of knowledge about. I'm sure there are examples of regret but you could probably find champions for it as well.

I do know I grew up around a lot of gay people who were celebrities at the time and living the high life. Some were major male influences in my life and I was never confused about my sexuality. I find it really hard to believe that there are people who will become gay or trans from watching a video at school.

I imagine people who are confused about gender identity are suffering regardless of transitioning or not. It would be pretty hard to deal with if you were feeling like you were a woman while you were in a man's body as well. I'm glad it's them and not me. The doctor I know was saying transitioning at any age is extremely hard, let alone as a teen. There are a lot of legal and physical barriers to do it. You can't just decide today and get your knob removed tomorrow.
For starters, gay and trans are two entirely seperate issues. I don't know why you keep bringing homosexuality into the discussion.

You're also claiming outright that it's a given these children actually have gender dysphoria, without question. As I said, once it becomes normalised, we completely remove the disorder from the realm of treatment for genuine cases.

The vast majority of cases stem from fad, for those pushing it and those seeking it. There's a lot of money to be made and power to be had by those aiding and abetting the irreversible disfigurement of children. If you're referencing homosexuality as the cause of gender dysphoria, that's all the more reason to have them treated by a clinical psychiatrist, especially one who hasn't been indoctrinated in intersectionality.

 
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Very complex area that’s an absolute minefield, I’m not sure what trans has to do with homosexuality except that we have a grab bag lgbtixxxx that gets thrown together.

I saw a show on John money and others at Johns Hopkins he was a piece of work an absolute fraud imo yet so much of his work and the theory’s and terms he coined are accepted as fact today. I don’t remember all the facts but he was a professor of paediatrics yet had no medical qualifications and his bogus claims were at odds with the findings of real doctors. He did a lot of harm and either was or had some outrageous claims about pedophilia. I think the doctors findings were that left alone most participants were eventually happy and that intervention led to serious problems.

I’ve seen other shows talking about his work and how despite the facts a lot of things snowballed and grew from there, all of a sudden clinics were popping up in a number of places.

I think there’s a point at which people being entitled to live as they please and the rights of others is bound to clash and this is undoubtedly one of them.
 
I think you should tax multinationals just like you tax local business. Small business employs more people and pays tax. If they don't have a fair system then it rips them off. Apple etc pay very little tax and employ very few locals. A small profit on units is made and taxed but they creatively off shore the profits to pay no tax. Globalisation is not good for the middle classes who are the mass consumers and will lead to collapsed economies. The financial systems of the world need an overhaul but no-one knows how to get the world's economies to agree to anything.

The "Type" of business makes a difference to society though.
I'd think the largest percentage of small businesses are either skilled contractors or service industry.

Sometimes it seems like we have one group mowing lawns then buying coffee off the other group.
 
For starters, gay and trans are two entirely seperate issues. I don't know why you keep bringing homosexuality into the discussion.

You're also claiming outright that it's a given these children actually have gender dysphoria, without question. As I said, once it becomes normalised, we completely remove the disorder from the realm of treatment for genuine cases.

The vast majority of cases stem from fad, for those pushing it and those seeking it. There's a lot of money to be made and power to be had by those aiding and abetting the irreversible disfigurement of children. If you're referencing homosexuality as the cause of gender dysphoria, that's all the more reason to have them treated by a clinical psychiatrist, especially one who hasn't been indoctrinated in intersectionality.




I'm sure they are out there, people pushing barrows and making things worse for people they claim to help but I would still say it's a very small minority. I was assuming that there is a comparison with gay people because it was treated as some kind of mental disorder once and plenty of good people tried to convert them back to the right path.

Some people might actually want to be trans and not have an issue with changing gender but the articles you have linked tend to be the sensationalist stuff designed to create outrage. There are idiots and dangerous people on all sides of politics.

The problem now is everything is designed to outrage different people to get clicks. I'm a lefty so we get facebook posts about environmental destruction from greedy pigs, you're right so they send stuff tailored to create outrage around whack job lefties that want to make your kids in to gay muslims and ban Christmas for hardworking Aussies.

Next time I see the lady I know I will ask her if intersectionality is part of their justification in pushing for teenagers into getting gender reassignment in Australia. I think we are still a pretty well regulated health system with a pretty pragmatic approach to most things though.
 

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I'm sure they are out there, people pushing barrows and making things worse for people they claim to help but I would still say it's a very small minority. I was assuming that there is a comparison with gay people because it was treated as some kind of mental disorder once and plenty of good people tried to convert them back to the right path.

Some people might actually want to be trans and not have an issue with changing gender but the articles you have linked tend to be the sensationalist stuff designed to create outrage. There are idiots and dangerous people on all sides of politics.

The problem now is everything is designed to outrage different people to get clicks. I'm a lefty so we get facebook posts about environmental destruction from greedy pigs, you're right so they send stuff tailored to create outrage around whack job lefties that want to make your kids in to gay muslims and ban Christmas for hardworking Aussies.

Next time I see the lady I know I will ask her if intersectionality is part of their justification in pushing for teenagers into getting gender reassignment in Australia. I think we are still a pretty well regulated health system with a pretty pragmatic approach to most things though.
I’ve met a couple of trans people over the years and interesting my eldest and youngest both went to school with a trans person. One was quite a celebrity the other who appeared obviously gay really came out in his early twenties, I think acceptance has moved considerably even in that period. One was clearly transitioning fairly early the other late and both seem outwardly happy but with problems, I know the parents of one very well and my kids still interact with theirs from time to time.

I know what you’re saying about the gay conversion therapy and how people were treated. I’ve known and spent quite a lot of time around gay people and it’s amazing really the changes I’ve seen. My wife’s uncle was an openly gay man when we met and years latter I worked for the same organisation as his partner. He wasn’t openly gay at work nor where his gay friends who worked there. In fact most pretended to be married and my mother in law used to accompany one to functions etc, it was all a bit sad really and totally wrong. I can’t agree more that whilst it may have taught me some tolerance I was never in danger of being recruited or turned. I don’t think you can be but people will think what they want.

Anyway I’ve seen some interesting things and some fairly open discrimination and I’m glad that’s changed. You mentioning gay conversion therapy got me thinking about how messed up that was and how that applies to this trans debate and at what point intervention is reasonable. Imo we’d have never seen that sort of rubbish if it was left to the medical professionals and they adhered to the Hippocratic oath. I just can’t see how with the available actual sound peer reviewed medical research any doctor could have confidence in helping young kids transition.

Anyway I feel like I’ve missed part of this debate and it’s easy for us because it isn’t us, so much of this requires the wisdom of Solomon.
 
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We spend millions on multi lane roads and the cops block 2 lanes and slow the other down to a crawl for their bloody breathalyzer.
Then they don't worry about the shitheads driving up the emergency lane to try to get past the 20 minute road restriction they created. ( pushing back in front of polite idiots when they see the flashing lights ).

As if our roads aren't already crap .
 

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Are we ready for The Ashes? It should be a good competitive series this year, which should make for good viewing. From England's point of view, inconsistency is usually the problem; you never know to expect from one day to the next. May the better team win.
 
Are we ready for The Ashes? It should be a good competitive series this year, which should make for good viewing. From England's point of view, inconsistency is usually the problem; you never know to expect from one day to the next. May the better team win.
It's started as expected really.
 
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