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sr36 said:
Your trades would make next year less disappointing than this year. This year has been really disappointing because we all went into it with so much hope. But if we do those trades, we'll remove a fair bit of hope.
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I don’t mind them other than Pendlebury for pick one which is unrealistic. Thomas and Sack don’t count as they have no value.

I like the idea of Phillips for Hunt but I’d rather not get rid of a player that is actually durable.
 
mike123 said:
I don’t mind them other than Pendlebury for pick one which is unrealistic. Thomas and Sack don’t count as they have no value.

I like the idea of Phillips for Hunt but I’d rather not get rid of a player that is actually durable.
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I'm hopeful that we are in the hunt for the flag next year. If we trade out Grundy, Pendlebury, Moore, Langdon and Phillips and our only immediate return is Hunt, Ryder, Florent and Greenwood, we will be hopeless.
 
sr36 said:
I'm hopeful that we are in the hunt for the flag next year. If we trade out Grundy, Pendlebury, Moore, Langdon and Phillips and our only immediate return is Hunt, Ryder, Florent and Greenwood, we will be hopeless.
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Oh I missed the Grundy trade, yeah that’s poor. I already agreed on keeping Pendlebury.

Moore and Langdon aren’t durable enough to be relied upon though so I have no qualms about trading them. I doubt we can trade Langdon this year though given his current injury.
 

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Darkyprotector said:
COACHING
It's really obvious that rivers isn't up to it
Tarquin isn't up to it
Pebbles isn't up to it
BRAD COTCH TIMES UP
See you Harvey

Bring in
Ratten , Teague or shaw, get the best development coach
Get the best fitness bloke

PAY THE TAX

TRADING
identify who has value
Be daring and get it done

Shaz. = Hugh greenwood
Wins ball, takes overhead marks , kicks goals
Grundy and broomy = Ryder and this years first and next years first, great ruck man who hits the ball with direction

Moore and Langdon = florent and rocke and pick , both boys from Melbourne , both can crumb
Thomas and sack , pendels = pick 1 suns ( skippers now too one dimensional)
Phillips to saints for pick and try to get hunt from Melbourne ( need speed )

Simply Try something

Delist
Reid
VARcoe
Crocker
Appleby
Dunn

Appoint Adams captain

Outs
Pendels
SAck
Thomas
Shaz
Phillips
Broomy
Grundy
Moore
Langdon
Reid
varcoe
Crocker
Appleby
Dunn

14 off
Ins
Ryder
Greenwood
Hunt
Florent
Rocke
Pick 1 2020
Pick 8 2020
2021 ports first
2020 swans second

free agency
GET JEZZA CAMERON 11 mil give him a contract he can't refuse ( Martin or buddy like)
We get plenty of $s in the trade freed up

He like hunt were and still are mad pies fan

Looks like maybe

Quaynour roughy Howe
Crisp whe Maynard
Wells de goey hunt
Florent cox stepho
Rocke Cameron brown

Ryder Adams treleor

Seir greenwood murphy Sidey

Wells and Mayne
Both get another go and straight into development coaching roles

We hope for Ryder and wells to play
Whilst atu Keene lynch Kelly and t brown kick the door down

We keep wills, we keep Magden
We keep Levi all strong developed bodies

We try to sign hustwaite
We try to sign keefe ( Adelaide )
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I appreciate the time you put into that
 
How crazy would it be to take on Eddie Betts if the crows are offloading , I like Andy often as KP depth too. He’d be plying for us the last 3 weeks for sure

Didn’t realise he was contracted , would want crows paying a fair chunk of it
 
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BEEG said:
Current structure is terrible, watching this live crap week in week out had become to much.

Can't go to Elliot 1 on 1 he is a shell of the player from 2 years ago.

Firstly we really need to look at some Indigenous players with speed to bring in through the draft for our forward line, enough is enough, how can the Eagles have Ryan, Cameron, Rioli.

We were all about defensive pressure last year Elliot and Cox I'm sorry but won't be needed.

Mayne Miocheck DeGoey
Papley Stephenson WHE

Pies need to go after Papley and Brad Hill these two players alone would make huge changes to our team dynamic

Trade
Elliot
Thomas
Sharenberg

Delist
Crocker
Wells
Broomhead
Varcoe
Magden
Reid

Trade/Sign
Papley
Hill
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There is limited to no trade value in those three. Elliot should be let go, his body isn’t up to league footy and his confidence is shot.
 
magpies42 said:
There is limited to no trade value in those three. Elliot should be let go, his body isn’t up to league footy and his confidence is shot.
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Elliott is a FA so if he's going he'll go where he wants and we'll just have to accept whatever compo the AFL offers.
 
mike123 said:
Oh I missed the Grundy trade, yeah that’s poor. I already agreed on keeping Pendlebury.

Moore and Langdon aren’t durable enough to be relied upon though so I have no qualms about trading them. I doubt we can trade Langdon this year though given his current injury.
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Has Langdon been that physically unreliable? Unless his knee is irredeemable, I wouldn't have thought he belonged in the too injury prone brigade.
 

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Seedsfan said:
Lol they are some of the worst posts I have seen.

You bring up Moore despite his injuries his trade value would be more this year than last. Langdon over the last few year finally delivered on his potential but let’s get rid of him.

What do you base your opinion of Rivers coaching ability off? With the amount of blokes out that takes a massive toll on our VFL program the coach is only as good as the cattle and we are lacking cattle down there

Also you want to clear out everyone but you keep Cox? His the biggest spud on our list. If anyone should of been traded at the end of last year it was him. He is a front runner, he has the ability to cash in when the teams dominating but is about as useful as a traffic cone when we are not.
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Moore and Langdon at best are week to wrk propositions
Pendels is certainly on the decline
Ryder and two firsts for Grundy will be better than getting 1 pick
( try reading the post)

ITS REBUILD TIME
THIS LIST AINT WINNING A FLAG AND IF WERE NOT CAREFUL WE WILL SLIP QUICKLY BEHIND ALL THOSE HACK CLUBS

CARLTON
essendon
Dogs
Saints ( two kings)
North
All catching up quick
Hawks
Cats
Gws
Lions
Tigers
All zooming past

The crux is you trade whilst someone has value
To the suns pendels would have plenty 2 to 3 seasons left and has slowed up
Handballs more

If you can get the first pick for Thomas and pendels and sack and you don't do it
Well

If we don't trade it will take years to improve the list
Lower our salary cap
Recruit quality

We're a basket case
No development
No stability
No hardness

Facts
De goey has lower leg issues
Shaz same
Langdon and Moore
If we don't trade and GIVE UP SOMETHING WERE GONNA BE DRAFTING KIDS with lots of speculation picks 50 onwards

We need to reboot

Capitals are required as many don't read nor think outside the square

We re gonna need higher picks for the minimum 4 kids were gotta get


Or

Let's do the same old
Resign
Reid
Greenwood
Keep the same list
Working well
Pick up a lowly compo pick for Grundy and whinge then

At least we got rid of Fss

How's he going

And seeds fan let's agree to disagree on cox
You think his a spud from his first game
Me I think he need a chop out from a guy who can take a strong overhead grab

Mihochek ain't that bloke
Reid ain't durable
We have to recruit

We need Cameron
We need to clear space
 
Cameron, Keath, Papley, Tomlinson

They are the 4 players we should be targeting and in order of importance.

If Grundy decides he wants out.
Grundy to Adelaide for O'Brien, Keath and a 1st round pick.

1st Round Pick, Darcy Moore and ??? for Cameron.

Tomlinson Free Agency.

A guy can dream! haha...
 
Unknown Identity said:
Langdon has played 48 of the last 89 games.

I think he qualifies.
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Didn't realise that the numbers were that dire. In his favour is that the absences and availability have been for long stretches. He hasn't been a case of -should be right in a couple of weeks. So he hasn't been as disruptive to structure or cohesion as the hammy boys have been.
 
Darkyprotector said:
If you can get the first pick for Thomas and pendels and sack and you don't do it
Well
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If not bound by reality or realism, it's pretty easy to come up with a range of trades that would be beneficial.
 
sr36 said:
Didn't realise that the numbers were that dire. In his favour is that the absences and availability have been for long stretches. He hasn't been a case of -should be right in a couple of weeks. So he hasn't been as disruptive to structure or cohesion as the hammy boys have been.
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Seems to be the 1 issue, had the knee/shin issue in 2016 only allowed him to play 5-6 games at the start of the season and delayed his senior return in 2017. Suffered the same/similar thing this year. Played every game in between other than a couple early last year, not sure why.
 
Darkyprotector said:
Moore and Langdon at best are week to wrk propositions
Pendels is certainly on the decline
Ryder and two firsts for Grundy will be better than getting 1 pick
( try reading the post)

ITS REBUILD TIME
THIS LIST AINT WINNING A FLAG AND IF WERE NOT CAREFUL WE WILL SLIP QUICKLY BEHIND ALL THOSE HACK CLUBS

CARLTON
essendon
Dogs
Saints ( two kings)
North
All catching up quick
Hawks
Cats
Gws
Lions
Tigers
All zooming past

The crux is you trade whilst someone has value
To the suns pendels would have plenty 2 to 3 seasons left and has slowed up
Handballs more

If you can get the first pick for Thomas and pendels and sack and you don't do it
Well

If we don't trade it will take years to improve the list
Lower our salary cap
Recruit quality

We're a basket case
No development
No stability
No hardness

Facts
De goey has lower leg issues
Shaz same
Langdon and Moore
If we don't trade and GIVE UP SOMETHING WERE GONNA BE DRAFTING KIDS with lots of speculation picks 50 onwards

We need to reboot

Capitals are required as many don't read nor think outside the square

We re gonna need higher picks for the minimum 4 kids were gotta get


Or

Let's do the same old
Resign
Reid
Greenwood
Keep the same list
Working well
Pick up a lowly compo pick for Grundy and whinge then

At least we got rid of Fss

How's he going

And seeds fan let's agree to disagree on cox
You think his a spud from his first game
Me I think he need a chop out from a guy who can take a strong overhead grab

Mihochek ain't that bloke
Reid ain't durable
We have to recruit

We need Cameron
We need to clear space
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What’s the point of getting Cameron if we have ****ed off every other good player we have?

These are some of the stupidest posts I have ever read

Remember the last club that tried to make wholesale changes like that to try and rebuild in one year? The lions and then they missed finals for 9 straight years. What you are suggesting is incredibly stupid and will not work
 

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If we want to stay in a window we have to rejig the age demographic, our top 25 moves past 12 o'clock next year if we change nothing, all you will see then is a gradual decline till we cut deep and have to do a full rebuild

If we go hard now we can save it:

Age next year:

Wells 35 (ret)
Dunn 33 (ret)
Goldy 33 (ret)
Pendles 32 (Hodge style trade)
Varcoe 32 (ret)
Mayne 31 (see out last year)
Greenwood 31 (ret)
Reid 31 (ret)
Beams 30 (Stick fat, he's quality)
Howe 30 (Stick fat, he's quality)
 
Roverjg said:
I agree it would be a massive shake-up but I feel it is what is needed. Why keep them when they can't get a game through form or in most cases injury.
Reid has played a total of 149 games out of a possible 305, with only 13 in the past 2 seasons
Wells has played a total of 258 games out of a possible 387, with only 4 in the past 2 seasons
Broomhead has played a total of 36 games out of a possible 132, with only 20mins in the past 2 seasons
Goldsack has played a total of 165 games out of a possible 305, with only 4 in the past 2 seasons
Wills has played a total of 9 games out of a possible 88, with only 3 in the past 2 seasons
Crocker has played a total of 26 games out of a possible 88, with only 13 in the past 2 seasons
Varcoe has played 40 of the past 66 games
Dunn has played 14 games in the past 2 seasons

I would prefer to have 8 players on the list that I could choose from
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100% agree with this. To be fair Goldsack has been available all season but has been overlooked. Blokes like Reid, Broomehead, Wells and Dunn are just injured
 
mike123 said:
Let’s get rid of as many injury prone players we can.

Cash in in Moore now that he has some performances to drive his value up.

Let Elliott leave as an UFA and collect the compo.

Delist Dunn, Wells, Wills, Reid, Goldsack, Greenwood, Crocker, Appleby, Broomhead, Madgen and Murray.

Then load up on depth players who are durable and will actually be fit and available when we need to call up on them.
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I'm in the camp to cash in Moore also.

I think the players delisted at year end will be less that what you are suggesting - Dunn, Wells, Reid, Goldsack, and Broomhead are definites in my book. I would also delist Sam Murray but doubt the club will do this as they hope he only gets 2 years - but who know?

Wills, Crocker, Appleby and Magden I think will probably be kept.
 

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