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Have you not followed the Yaniv case?That isn't state-enforced.
How is it being enforced?
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Have you not followed the Yaniv case?That isn't state-enforced.
How is it being enforced?
Nope.Have you not followed the Yaniv case?
"Existing" systems that have only been in place for less than five years. Same as the Vancouver rape shelter who was refused state funding because they didn't let men (sorry, women who have penises) in.Nope.
From what I understand it's a horrible piece of s**t taking advantage of existing systems.
And somehow now it defines the entire global trans community.
Yeah, it's a complicated transition isn't it."Existing" systems that have only been in place for less than five years. Same as the Vancouver rape shelter who was refused state funding because they didn't let men (sorry, women who have penises) in.
That's not what transgender rights activists want.Yeah, it's a complicated transition isn't it.
Best thing we can do is make sure the systems work effectively, and keep everyone safe.
What do they want?That's not what transgender rights activists want.
Self id and full extension of feminist rights based on that id. That is, the ability to assert themselves as female without medical confirmation and the entitlement to women's only spaces and protections.What do they want?
Is that across the board? Or just some activists?Self id and full extension of feminist rights based on that id. That is, the ability to assert themselves as female without medical confirmation and the entitlement to women's only spaces and protections.
For all intents and purposes, across the board. ACT and Tasmania have enshrined self id in law. Other states soon to follow.Is that across the board? Or just some activists?
Link please?For all intents and purposes, across the board. ACT and Tasmania have enshrined self id in law. Other states soon to follow.
More than ACT and Tasmania actually:Link please?
Thanks. I'll have a read.More than ACT and Tasmania actually:
Western Australia, the Australian Capital Territory, South Australia, the Northern Territory and Tasmania, all of which have removed the prerequisite for gender affirmation surgery to change the sex indicator on birth certificates progressively since 2011
Further lols:
Sex identification is forced upon us as we are all coercively assigned gender at birth without consent. Perhaps instead of parents throwing gender-reveal parties, starting fires in national parks or getting alligators to pop pink or blue powdered balloons with their teeth, we should give people space to reveal their own gender.
Subjectively denying reality. Science denialists of the left
Our gender is not for others to decide. A bill for trans people to self identify is a good start | Simona Castricum
Legislating for gender diverse Victorians to self-nominate would be a major leap forward in life chanceswww.theguardian.com
Interesting and concerning.More than ACT and Tasmania actually:
Western Australia, the Australian Capital Territory, South Australia, the Northern Territory and Tasmania, all of which have removed the prerequisite for gender affirmation surgery to change the sex indicator on birth certificates progressively since 2011
Further lols:
Sex identification is forced upon us as we are all coercively assigned gender at birth without consent. Perhaps instead of parents throwing gender-reveal parties, starting fires in national parks or getting alligators to pop pink or blue powdered balloons with their teeth, we should give people space to reveal their own gender.
Subjectively denying reality. Science denialists of the left
Our gender is not for others to decide. A bill for trans people to self identify is a good start | Simona Castricum
Legislating for gender diverse Victorians to self-nominate would be a major leap forward in life chanceswww.theguardian.com
That's what they want.It's not very clear as to what the requirements are for self id.
If you are able to self id and pop in every other week to update your birth certificate, this would crazy and easily exploitable.
If everything else has been done (medical advice, hormone treatment et al), and all that's left is the prohibitive surgery, then I support the self ID.
I have trouble with this, because I view the issue as gender vs sex.That's what they want.
Damien Carrick: Just to clarify, you need to have gender reassignment surgery before you can change any of your official documents at the state level, so the birth certificate, what have you?Ed Santow: That's correct, but in Australia that starting to change. So in South Australia and Western Australia they've gone some of the way to change that. They no longer require surgery but they do require someone has at least had hormonal treatment. And then the ACT and the Federal government have gone further still and they've now said that all you require is at least to have had some counselling from a medical professional, and that they then certify.We still think that you could go even further, which is to simply allow people to affirm. There is no evidence that there's some great benefit to be gained from changing the legal record of your sex. And so it's far better and it seems to be the best practice worldwide simply to allow people to affirm what is their sex or gender.Damien Carrick: Their lived reality as opposed to complying with some kind of medical definition.Ed Santow: Precisely, and in Australian law and in practice, the cardinal document for your identification is your birth certificate, so in a sense that is the most important thing to get right. And at the moment we have a situation where these two additional requirements are incredibly invasive, and now the UN Human Rights Committee is telling us that it is also contrary to human rights to have at least one of these requirements.Damien Carrick: Ed Santow, the Human Rights Commissioner with responsibility for LGBT Australians.Transgender and identity - ABC listen
The UNHRC has ruled that NSW is wrong to refuse to change a birth certificate of a married transgender person.www.abc.net.au
Not a fringe view, the state employed Human Rights Commissioner.
I have trouble with this, because I view the issue as gender vs sex.
With gender being the social construct and sex being scientific fact.
So changing sex rather than saying it's changing gender is a difficult concept for me to accept.
Basically no trans person denies the biological truths of gender, what they argue is the word man and women and whether they are cultural constructs. It is all about hte language of the and the way we use the term "man" and "women" internally and there is alternatives there, thats why we can have a debate about it in the first place, it isnt a universal truth. Theres a good analogy I read to understand the trans point of view.They're the same thing, it's semantics.
Apparently it was decided that the newspeak definition of gender would be a social construct, different to that of sex. Historically, that has never been the case. Trans people have gender dysphoria. They've changed the definition of gender to shelter themselves from the fact that they have a mental illness.
This doesn't mean they should be locked up, or ridiculed. Nor does it mean they need to be "cured". I have nothing but compassion for trans people. I will be polite, civil, even affectionate towards them. But I draw the line when they want to start invading areas that are segregated along gender (or sex, if you wish) lines, particularly when it is done for safety reasons (e.g. in rape shelters, or for contact sports, as you have previously discussed).
Which is why I think it's important we stop defining gender as a social construct and clearly identify that transgenderism is gender dysphoria. You can't be born a man and identify as a woman, you're a man in a dress, and that's fine. You don't need to be ashamed about being a man who wears a dress, had plastic surgery and changed their name to Wendy, but we aren't doing these people any favours by telling them they are anything other than what they are.
There's a fine line between being compassionate and being negligent.
Wrong.Basically no trans person denies the biological truths of gender
Further lols:
Sex identification is forced upon us as we are all coercively assigned gender at birth without consent. Perhaps instead of parents throwing gender-reveal parties, starting fires in national parks or getting alligators to pop pink or blue powdered balloons with their teeth, we should give people space to reveal their own gender.
Subjectively denying reality. Science denialists of the left
Our gender is not for others to decide. A bill for trans people to self identify is a good start | Simona Castricum
Legislating for gender diverse Victorians to self-nominate would be a major leap forward in life chanceswww.theguardian.com
If independent observations made by scientific experts can’t be trusted because they too readily conform to a predominant worldview then what else can be said about so-called scientific assertions?If sex identification is 'forced upon us as we are all coercively assigned gender at birth without consent' then so is identification as a human. Just that we correctly deem people who identify as a puppy, teddy bear or Apache attack helicopter as delusional.
If independent observations made by scientific experts can’t be trusted because they too readily conform to a predominant worldview then what else can be said about so-called scientific assertions?
It makes me laugh when I see postmodernists stand up and make statements alleging science is merely a white male centric tool to oppress women, people of colour and poor people
There's a lovely video posted today in the Grievance Studies thread.Who has said this?
I had a quick look, and the opening part was from a person claiming Indigenous science had been ignored.There's a lovely video posted today in the Grievance Studies thread.