Player Watch Welcome to Hawthorn, James Worpel, pick #43 2017 - Peter Crimmins medalist 2019

[TylerDurden]

 

[bigdog43]

What frustrates me is that a year before Worpel's draft I thought he would be pick 1 in the draft. His attack on the ball was as good as I'd seen but then 'experts' started to say that his kicking wasn't good enough, he'd already developed and would never play consistent AFL footy. How he got to pick 40 is beyond me and every time I watch him play I wish he was at Carlton.

 

[KermitJagger]

What frustrates me is that a year before Worpel's draft I thought he would be pick 1 in the draft. His attack on the ball was as good as I'd seen but then 'experts' started to say that his kicking wasn't good enough, he'd already developed and would never play consistent AFL footy. How he got to pick 40 is beyond me and every time I watch him play I wish he was at Carlton.

Not picking Worpel because he was already developed but Rayner going pick 1 at the same time was, and still is, one of the most curious things about that draft.

 

[cryptor]

What frustrates me is that a year before Worpel's draft I thought he would be pick 1 in the draft. His attack on the ball was as good as I'd seen but then 'experts' started to say that his kicking wasn't good enough, he'd already developed and would never play consistent AFL footy. How he got to pick 40 is beyond me and every time I watch him play I wish he was at Carlton.

If I recall correctly from draft night, the Hawthorn list management team had someone else in mind for our first pick as they never expected Worpel to be available. They were completely shocked to see him still available there. Amazing that so many clubs could let him slip by.

 

[Dragz]

If I recall correctly from draft night, the Hawthorn list management team had someone else in mind for our first pick as they never expected Worpel to be available. They were completely shocked to see him still available there. Amazing that so many clubs could let him slip by.

I wonder if there was a little bit of "Worpel is still available and should have gone x picks ago...wonder what the other clubs know we don't...let's pass on him" going on.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Worps must be very close to winning our B&F. Anyone know if anyone younger has even won it?

 

[beta_condition]

Not picking Worpel because he was already developed but Rayner going pick 1 at the same time was, and still is, one of the most curious things about that draft.

Rayner is 5kg heavier than Worpel and I dare say he weighs less now than he did on arrival so it might be more. He's shown up the top 5 picks AND than some so far.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

Worps must be very close to winning our B&F. Anyone know if anyone younger has even won it?

Lethal was 19!

 

[beta_condition]

Worps must be very close to winning our B&F. Anyone know if anyone younger has even won it?

Leigh Matthew and Graham Arthur won one as 19 year olds

Edit ~ Dunstall, S.Mitchell, Crawford were all 24. I believe Hodge is the third youngest at 21.

 

[Milkshaker]

Lethal was 19!

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

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Stalled a bit after that though

 

[Pessimistic]

Leigh Matthew and Graham Arthur won one as 19 year olds

Edit ~ Dunstall, S.Mitchell, Crawford were all 24. I believe Hodge is the third youngest at 21.

Lethals brownlow votes completely underwhelming




I realise the comparison is not relevant

 

[cryptor]

I wonder if there was a little bit of "Worpel is still available and should have gone x picks ago...wonder what the other clubs know we don't...let's pass on him" going on.

I guess naturally you'd have to ask those kind of questions to yourself, even if only to make sure you've considered everything. But ultimately you've got to back your own assessment of a player. You'll always be at least a step behind the pack if you're constantly taking your lead and making decisions based on what everyone else is doing.

I mean if you can't trust your own judgement in a job where you're meant to be an expert then what are you even doing there? I think that's why we've been so successful with later picks in the last few years. The only recent one where we went against the consensus and got it wrong was picking Lovell so early.

 

[MrPremiership]

We seem to do better with picks 40+ than under 40 (2004 aside)

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I remember reading some private info regarding Lions draft night at the time.

They had a list of players(not all players available) for selection, and had rated them accordingly.

They had Worpel at 24 in the draft, and even that seems a bit rough at this stage.

 

[KermitJagger]

I remember reading some private info regarding Lions draft night at the time.

They had a list of players(not all players available) for selection, and had rated them accordingly.

They had Worpel at 24 in the draft, and even that seems a bit rough at this stage.

There were multiple clubs who passed on him multiple times, surely it's not that every other club just didn't need his like.

Club	PBW (Picks Before Worpel)
Adelaide	2​
Brisbane Lions	5​
Carlton	3​
Collingwood	2​
Fremantle	3​
Geelong	3​
Gold Coast	2​
Greater Western Sydney	3​
Melbourne	3​
North Melbourne	2​
Richmond	4​
St Kilda	3​
Sydney	2​
West Coast	5​
Western Bulldogs	2​
Grand Total	44​

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

There were multiple clubs who passed on him multiple times, surely it's not that every other club just didn't need his like.

Club	PBW (Picks Before Worpel)
Adelaide	2​
Brisbane Lions	5​
Carlton	3​
Collingwood	2​
Fremantle	3​
Geelong	3​
Gold Coast	2​
Greater Western Sydney	3​
Melbourne	3​
North Melbourne	2​
Richmond	4​
St Kilda	3​
Sydney	2​
West Coast	5​
Western Bulldogs	2​
Grand Total	44​

Best available for many clubs, and many clubs simply didn’t have him rated highly

 

[Lotus]

There were multiple clubs who passed on him multiple times, surely it's not that every other club just didn't need his like.

Club	PBW (Picks Before Worpel)
Adelaide	2​
Brisbane Lions	5​
Carlton	3​
Collingwood	2​
Fremantle	3​
Geelong	3​
Gold Coast	2​
Greater Western Sydney	3​
Melbourne	3​
North Melbourne	2​
Richmond	4​
St Kilda	3​
Sydney	2​
West Coast	5​
Western Bulldogs	2​
Grand Total	44​

That's only 15 club listed, where's Essendon and Port Adelaide?

 

[Rushed_Behind]

That's only 15 club listed, where's * and Port Adelaide?

FIFY

 

[Sixpence]

That's only 15 club listed, where's Essendon and Port Adelaide?

Didn't have picks before 45 I guess.

 

[KermitJagger]

That's only 15 club listed, where's Essendon and Port Adelaide?

Didn't have picks. Essendon moved all their picks in getting Stringer, Smith and Saad. Port traded into the 2016 and 2018 drafts as opposed to taking picks into 2017.

 

[Sixpence]

Not picking Worpel because he was already developed but Rayner going pick 1 at the same time was, and still is, one of the most curious things about that draft.

Picking Raynor over Worps is one thing, but Bailey, Starcevich, Wooller and Ballenden? Massive fail from the Lions there.

 

[beta_condition]

Picking Raynor over Worps is one thing, but Bailey, Starcevich, Wooller and Ballenden? Massive fail from the Lions there.

Brisbane normal nail their draft picks in recent years but 2017 might be one to forget, I also don't know how Charlie Ballard slip to pick 42 love to steal him from the Suns.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

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