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Tea and cucumber sandwiches if it’s root. A pint of Guinness and a 500g rump and chips if it’s Freddy Flintoff.
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SSwans2011
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Smith deserves a 10. Head at least a 6 IMO.
Siddle should be rated higher than Hazlewood too I reckon.
LukeParkerno1
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If those are the conditions you want Pattinson in not Starc.
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No way. If we want extra wheels for whatever reason bring in Pattinson. Personally I’d keep the team the same.
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Ah yeah he's out isn't he, I'd have both.
thejockey
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So what's the solution then ? you would pick Bancroft ?
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Does anyone know what is happening with Kurtis Patterson?
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Neither one thing nor the other.
Like his name.
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Could we go with 5 batsmen? Especially if 2 of them are Cummins and Starc who can bat.
Drop one of the 3/4 woefully out of form batsmen.
Drop one of the 3/4 woefully out of form batsmen.
I'm picking Harris on the form we have available which is more than what can be said for Warner and his Sheffield Shield runs are not irrelevant at all.
Warner doesn't play well (and isn't playing well) in England so why is he being picked?
Also it's one innings from Labuschagne, while it was a good one you're taking far too much out of one innings.
LukeParkerno1
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Agreed.
Personally
Warner- 0
Bancroft- 3 (2 for the catch and 1 for his second innings)
Khawaja- 3 (decent in the first, but a liability in the field)
Smith- 10 (nothing more needs to be said)
Head- 7 (very important to us not losing)
Wade- 1 (a point for his ground fielding)
Paine- 0 (awful game, terrible call at toss, awful DRS reviews, and failed with the bat in both innings)
Cummins- 8 (very good outing)
Siddle- 6 (solid from Siddle)
Hazelwood- 4 (good opening spell, mediocre afterwards)
Lyon-5 (not his best game, wasn't awful, but wasn't great)
LukeParkerno1
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NO.
End of story. You don't go into a test over in England with less than 6 specialists.
SSwans2011
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I'd give Lyon a 4. Was awful in the second innings and the missed LBWs were his fault, not Paine's.
Out of the options we have I'd rather Bancroft/Harris.
I'm not advocating that Bancroft is the solution but out of him and Warner he's harder to get out and looks more likely to grind out a score right now.
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Well really we have 2.... so we are 4 short.
LukeParkerno1
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Each to their own. Lets agree to disagree, we both have our views. I personally view conditions form more than what someone got on a road in Australia. Completely different conditions.
LukeParkerno1
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Whilst Cummins is handy, you'd have to go with a Mitch Marsh or Nesser to do what you want anyway. Those two are probably number 7's, the rest are 9's.
LukeParkerno1
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Yep , happy with that, 4 or 5, pretty similar from me. Disagree on the DRS being Lyon's fault though, as a keeper surely you know where the thing is going!
Except they haven't been completely different conditions, they've produced wickets not much different to those in Australia.
Firstly, I think you're conveniently making a rule that would rule Jofra Archer out of this series.
Secondly, there are plenty of good reasons for someone to move countries after the age of 19, and you risk excluding people for what is a fairly arbitrary rule.
Thirdly, pretty much every sport n the world allows you to change countries given a certain qualification criteria.
Fourthly, you're forcing 16-18 year olds to make a decision that could be to their detriment. Imagine being someone who could qualify for more than one country - they may just stay out of underage competition to avoid having to make a decision, which could hurt them in the long run.
And on Archer specifically, he has a British father, and has only ever played first class cricket in England. He moved from Barbados to England, and so I don't see why he should be excluded from playing for them because he played a few warm-up games for the West Indies under 19s.
SSwans2011
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Paine's view is almost entirely blocked when the ball hits the pads. Lyon's isn't.
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Biggest issue is root putting his finger up and saying yep totally clean catch, he clearly influenced the soft signal and with Wilson being a halfwit that was enough.
I think root will have damaged his reputation amongst umpires now though and it may bite him on close ones in the future.
Biggest issue is root putting his finger up and saying yep totally clean catch, he clearly influenced the soft signal and with Wilson being a halfwit that was enough.
I think root will have damaged his reputation amongst umpires now though and it may bite him on close ones in the future.
thejockey
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Exactly and that's the issue we have . We had a decent fairly in form opener ( Harris ) but went with two guys without test cricket behind for 12 months .
Now we have the 3 openers on tour with zero form
LukeParkerno1
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It's more the second one I have an issue with. At worst it's umpires call, you don't lose challenges for that. They should have learnt from the first one
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