This is just going around in circles, but until they ban players having anything to eat during games then mints are not illegal. How do we know Finch's chewie doesn't affect his saliva and therefore tampering with the ball?
2019 2nd Ashes Test - Lords 14-18 August 2019
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This is just going around in circles, but until they ban players having anything to eat during games then mints are not illegal. How do we know Finch's chewie doesn't affect his saliva and therefore tampering with the ball?
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What part of the image looked good to you? The bit where the ball is clearly on the ground without Root's fingers under it, out the bit where the ball is clearly on the ground without Root's hand under it?
I accept these calls happen in cricket. They can go either way; it's part of cricket, and one side feels hard done by. But on this occasion, M. Vaughan is right—that was not out.
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Well that's confirmation bias for you. I call bullshit.
Yep, kept getting stuck with all his weight coming forward to short balls. Could get ugly if he hasn't changed anything since then.
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Takeaways from this test
- Don't bowl first if we win the toss. The conditions where pretty favourably for bowling. But the weather has been this summer there's no guarantee the next day will be any better for batting. On top of that, our batting - even with Smith - is not good enough to voluntarily put us under the pressure of chasing runs. Even yesterday, Labuschagne inning's was fantastic, and as great as batsmen as Smith, he's not a cast iron lock to do what Labu did yesterday. The call was pretty 50/50 and I think that was a toss a lot of captains would like to lose. So I don't hold that totally against Paine, but I think he and Langer need to agree that any toss won is bat first, even if every instinct says this would be good conditions to bowl.
- I've generally thought Paine has done a decent job, especially given the circumstances but this test wasn't his best, even disregarding the call to bowl first. A poor drop catch (which ultimately didn't cost much but you don't know that at the time) and too defensive with field settings. On the first day, they had 2 half century stands and in both things just drifted once they put on about 30.
- Labuschagne to come in. I'm not convinced about him long term, but he's earned a shot with yesterdays innings plus his runs in England this summer. I'm not sure who makes way - Warner and Bancroft are completely at sea with the bat. Khawaja is not doing much better, and is a poor fieldsmen (who is somehow fielding in a crucial spot behind the stumps). Warner had a shocker in the field this test but is usually good.
- Fielding was atrocious. As bad as I can remember from an Australian team for a long time, except maybe in tests in the sub continent where India are 3/400, belting us to all parts of the ground, it's 35 degrees and fielding starts becoming a real chore. But none of that was the case in this test. When Burns went out in the second dig we'd taken 14/~320 at this point (even with a few drops already to our names). Our guys should have been absolutely pumped and all over it in the field. Going back to those half century stands, I don't know if it was caught on the TV but our guys really started dropping their heads once those partnerships developed - that's not good enough in third grade, let alone international cricket. That's a collective team thing, but is also led by the captain and keeper, who happens to be the same person right now.
- Just gotta find a way to get through Archer. OK he's fast and he's got a great bouncer. But he does lose control pretty quickly, and he's only in his second test. Just gotta find a way to survive and put him under the sort of pressure that he never would have been before. Test cricket is littered with express bowlers who lost their way once batsmen found a way to hang in. For the record I think Archer is going to be a top shelf bowler, but until that happens, it's not locked in.
- Don't bowl first if we win the toss. The conditions where pretty favourably for bowling. But the weather has been this summer there's no guarantee the next day will be any better for batting. On top of that, our batting - even with Smith - is not good enough to voluntarily put us under the pressure of chasing runs. Even yesterday, Labuschagne inning's was fantastic, and as great as batsmen as Smith, he's not a cast iron lock to do what Labu did yesterday. The call was pretty 50/50 and I think that was a toss a lot of captains would like to lose. So I don't hold that totally against Paine, but I think he and Langer need to agree that any toss won is bat first, even if every instinct says this would be good conditions to bowl.
- I've generally thought Paine has done a decent job, especially given the circumstances but this test wasn't his best, even disregarding the call to bowl first. A poor drop catch (which ultimately didn't cost much but you don't know that at the time) and too defensive with field settings. On the first day, they had 2 half century stands and in both things just drifted once they put on about 30.
- Labuschagne to come in. I'm not convinced about him long term, but he's earned a shot with yesterdays innings plus his runs in England this summer. I'm not sure who makes way - Warner and Bancroft are completely at sea with the bat. Khawaja is not doing much better, and is a poor fieldsmen (who is somehow fielding in a crucial spot behind the stumps). Warner had a shocker in the field this test but is usually good.
- Fielding was atrocious. As bad as I can remember from an Australian team for a long time, except maybe in tests in the sub continent where India are 3/400, belting us to all parts of the ground, it's 35 degrees and fielding starts becoming a real chore. But none of that was the case in this test. When Burns went out in the second dig we'd taken 14/~320 at this point (even with a few drops already to our names). Our guys should have been absolutely pumped and all over it in the field. Going back to those half century stands, I don't know if it was caught on the TV but our guys really started dropping their heads once those partnerships developed - that's not good enough in third grade, let alone international cricket. That's a collective team thing, but is also led by the captain and keeper, who happens to be the same person right now.
- Just gotta find a way to get through Archer. OK he's fast and he's got a great bouncer. But he does lose control pretty quickly, and he's only in his second test. Just gotta find a way to survive and put him under the sort of pressure that he never would have been before. Test cricket is littered with express bowlers who lost their way once batsmen found a way to hang in. For the record I think Archer is going to be a top shelf bowler, but until that happens, it's not locked in.
The shot where his fingers are on the ground and the ball lands in them...
Every single one of those catches the front on shot looks like it falls short, every single time.
Plenty of Australians have claimed catches like that, some overturned, most not, no one calls them a cheat for it, except maybe Haddin...
Once again explain the lack of any strong action or recriminations for atherton ? Why was imran such a love figure in england when he is a known cheat who used bottletops on balls?
Why is it so well known that tampering is a big part of the county cricket scene if the english consider it so sinful?
Lets move away just from ball tampering Amir disgraced his team and embarrassed his team in front of the english who let them host their test series and the the english crowds gave him a warm ovation on his return to the country, it was so serious he went to prison for what he did and yet he is warmly received by the same people so outraged by sandpaper?
If an aussie got a 5 year ban you think he is getting clapped by the english on his return?
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Just saw the vision. How the hell was that given out. Awful decision
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You definitely don't read youtube comments then (which is a smart move but still).
Maybe I should add, forgetting hysterical Indian fans
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Moving cities is even more commonplace, but doesn't stop the AFL from restricting player movement between clubs. Is an interesting conundrum though.
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I don't mind that for Warner. We're not getting anything out of him anyway. He might as well go out swinging and see what happens
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Do you have a copy of this photoshopped version?
Different times and different attitudes. If an England player got caught doing what Atherton did nowadays there would be far more outrage.
He admitted to this after his retirement. I've not seen Imran Khan as much of a love figure in England over the last couple of decades.
You got any proof of this in recent years?
Eh? Amir was clearly booed on his return. Naturally it's reduced a lot over the years, as it will with the Aussie trio. You'll notice Pakistan never returned to play their neutral games in England following the spot fixing episode.
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Not really. My "false equivalence" (not true) was merely suggesting Warner's average and centuries are not enough of a reason for him to be an aut
I'd prefer Burns and Harris, but at least Bancroft has FC form in England. Would be interested to see what he can do with an opening partner that actually sticks around. At least Bancroft can last more than 4 overs.
Unless he is Salad Fingers this didn't happen.
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The rules clearly state that you cannot use any artificial substance. You can use saliva and clothes (but not zips, which Paneser also admits to using).
But this somewhat beside the point of my original post, which I will restate. It is a double standard for English fans to call Smith a cheat, then celebrate Atherton and Panesar who have both ball tampered. In Atherton's case, there is not even the veneer of possible grey area. He was even fined for lying about it.
Every side ball tampers. That is how you get reverse swing. I doubt it's a coincidence that reverse has magically dissapered from cricket since Jo-burg.
But if you want to defend the hypocritical abuse of Smith, then that's your choice.
It's not a grey area, it's cheating.
Don't try and explain it away because your team did it - it is cheating.
Do the players carry bottles of Powerade in their pockets?
Seen through the lens of normal life and normal business international sport is pretty silly, but if anybody could just play for anybody whenever they felt like it why even have national rep teams?
Sports have these strange rules that don't work in other areas to help fuel the tribalism an nationalism to give us a feeling of ownership of that side, look at america, they love their unfettered capitalism when it suits but they then love artificial salary caps on their top sports stars which help create at least some parity and keeps that tribal fire burning for their sports sides who cant compete financially with others.
If they had the same response for Salman Butt or Mo Asif id agree with you but a kid from a third world nation who was asked - by his captain no less - as a 17 year old to bowl the odd no ball, who has served 5 years and done a prison stretch, probably is a slightly different scenario
No, but players are regularly drinking sugary drinks out in the middle and around the ground inbetween shining the ball.
Chewie is not pure sugar like a mint is.
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