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And potentially even more effective if we can recruit a ready made KPD to feed off or pick up the scraps from with his ground ball abilityAgreed. If he's contesting 1on1, something has gone wrong somewhere else down the line. I would imagine that would piss Bev off more than him losing half a contest a game.
Good point on the tackles/pressure acts.
Another point is that I think he's been somewhat found out in other positions. Yes he can move forward/wing and be ok, but you need to actually be able to mark the ball in a contest playing up the ground. If he's up there you're essentially removing one player you can move the ball through. He just cannot compete aerially like McLean or Dale or even Dickson who has a strong base/low centre of gravity which lets him compete pretty well with a long ball. At least in the backline Daniel's deficiency in the air can be mitigated by the defensive system in place.
True fpcookie it is a small sample size, but the four games were not in a row they were part of a sevenCan explain it quite easily....lack of sample size.
However I'd like to see him tried on the wing, in a Lachie Hunter type role where his defensive deficiencies aren't going to cost us.
True fpcookie it is a small sample size, but the four games were not in a row they were part of a seven
game stretch that spanned round 16 to round 22.
Round 16: versus Geelong, 55 Points Conceded.
Round 17: versus Melbourne, 66 Points Conceded.
Round 18: versus St Kilda, 116 Points Conceded.
Round 19: versus Fremantle, 66 Points Conceded.
Round 20: versus Brisbane, 98 Points Conceded.
Round 21: versus Essendon, 33 Points Conceded.
Round 22: versus GWS, 65 Points Conceded.
That is a smaller overall sample size and consecutive and comes up with the numbers of:
Without CD, Conceded 219 Points or 54.75 Per Game (4 x games, 4 x W)
With CD, Conceded 280 Points or 93.33 Per Game (3 x games, 2 x L, 1 x W)
Now I agree there could be other factors at play here such as the voracity of the opponent or even the
time spent in forward half or the very need to defend in the first place, but I cannot work it out as I
don't have the necessary footage. The game is not played on a lifeless page of statistics. (Gold Jerry)
Did you bother reading the last three lines of the post, or were you blinded by outrage.Could probably put it down to our whole 22 being pretty ordinary for large parts against Saints and the fact Brisbane are one of the most offensive teams in the comp who are in a 9 game win streak.
Or we could ignore that and just look at the scores ?
Past history would indicate otherwiseThere is a spot for him in our side yet for me, its not in defence, there are better options.
Is this irony by you Yoj?The game is not played on a lifeless page of statistics. (Gold Jerry)
Past history would indicate otherwise
Past history would indicate otherwise
Quite a few is putting a fair bit of mayo on it.Caleb has made quite a few really good spoils this year, mostly on the wing when the opposition is coming out of our 50. He’s no worse than Hunter with his defensive aerial work imo. He’s got a good leap on him and times it well.
I do go every week, so my views are based on what I see rather than stats. I would say past history indicates the backline is functioning that best it has since 2016 and that is without CD in defence. Bevo is coming around his last game CD play high defence and even started on the wing at times during the game.
At least it's not happening in the match review thread.Sorry Dogwatch, but you’ve created another opportunity for WB BF posters to s**t stain their credibility. This thread should be shelved with the 10 Bevo out threads that have been created this year.
At least it's not happening in the match review thread.
He struggled for all of 2018 before moving back. He was seemingly on the verge of being dropped on a weekly basis in that time (go back and read the threads if you like). Since moving back he's played at close to AA level.This is illogical from a player development point of view.
Yes he struggled up forward for a while, though in 2016 there were quite a few games he provided good impetus down there.
In part development and also opportunity he has been moved down back in a role where he has developed his ball winning skills, including ground skills, developed his kicking under pressure, developed his defensive skills all of which with his accurate and price kicking would make him one of the most dangerous small forwards in the competition if he can translate these developed skills back in the forward line. And if it does our forward line mix that was a weakness would potentially develop into one of the most lethal in the competition.
Thread nee
I did read the threads and like all threads contained alot of opinions, not facts. There were parts of his game that needed development, mainly contests and defensive pressure.He struggled for all of 2018 before moving back. He was seemingly on the verge of being dropped on a weekly basis in that time (go back and read the threads if you like). Since moving back he's played at close to AA level.
What's illogical about that? Just facts.
(player development would also apply to his time back btw)
Haha. I think you're misinformed on the use of data in modern day sport, AFL included (even though it lags others quite severely). Suggest you listen to the back Trends and ESPN footy podcasts to give you an actual indication of how they are used at club level. There is a specific employee from Champion Data at every single game whose job it is to provide line coaches with statistical and analytic reporting at every break.Its not only what you see LB. Stats form less than 10% of a line coaches review with a player. 90% is vision and it is what comes out of this vision that is coached and developed as both a team and individuals.
Stats are one component of a review, usually as proof of what has taken place and always to be effective must be supported by vision. Coaching moves on match day are rarely if ever made on stats alone, it is what the line and assistant coaches are seeing and passing on to the senior coach. They are critical though to coaches in Supercoach
I am not shitting on stats just pointing out they are highly over rated in isolation and in case you did miss it being so irate I did say they are used to support vision. And also I did say they are used to support what the line coaches believe they are seeing during the games and on game day, but rarely are they used to make adjustments in isolation.Haha. I think you're misinformed on the use of data in modern day sport, AFL included (even though it lags others quite severely). Suggest you listen to the back Trends and ESPN footy podcasts to give you an actual indication of how they are used at club level. There is a specific employee from Champion Data at every single game whose job it is to provide line coaches with statistical and analytic reporting at every break.
You can s**t on stats all you like but at the end of the day they are only indicating what is actually happening on the field.
Any data I have provided is done so to simply back up what I'm seeing on the field. It just has a lot more weight behind it as it's an unbiased account. I could simply say what I see with the eye test (just like others have done) but at the end of the day we're all biased or clouded by judgement or just have limited understanding. Providing at least some evidence to my views gives it credence and I think the lack of any evidence for some of the opposing points here is telling.
Fair point. I'll say then that a lot of people had the opinion he should be dropped while playing forward in 2018. Luke Beveridge has the opinion he was playing at an AA level before his injury this year.I did read the threads and like all threads contained alot of opinions, not facts. There were parts of his game that needed development, mainly contests and defensive pressure.
Playing close to AA level again is peoples opinions, in these threads you will find many who disagree, they are not wrong either just because they disagree with you. Btw I am not one of them.
History only represents what has happened, he has developed significantly since he last played forward in a skill set that would make him significantly more valuable to the team in a more dangerous area, history does not prove he will be better value to the team playing back than forward at all. And yes surprisingly time played down back is a valuable method in developing a forward
Yep and as I said they're there to support what I've seen. On a forum however when 10 people say they all saw different things, the data gives an indication of what likely really happened as it's objective.I am not s**tting on stats just pointing out they are highly over rated in isolation and in case you did miss it being so irate I did say they are used to support vision. And also I did say they are used to support what the line coaches believe they are seeing during the games and on game day, but rarely are they used to make adjustments in isolation.
And instead of listening to footy podcasts I will just stick to talking with line coaches, strategic analysts (form a couple of clubs) and those involved in the coaching side of football to determine the best use of data in AFL which you are quite rightly saying lags quite severely in the AFL as interpretations of what stats mean is actually quite difficult to quantify in our game due to the nature of our game