Play Nice Geelong home final at GHMBA Stadium, is this an unfair advantage?

[romeohwho]

In last two seasons you have 18 games with a proper home advantage at CatPark (won 16 of 18) and just 11 with the equivalent interstate disadvantage (won just 6 of 11)....

That leaves 15 games in Melbourne, where Geelong played 12 games at the G and just 3 at Marvel.

The Etihad tenants get a decent familiarity advantage against the Cats, but Cats at the G is a home away from home!! No different to Essendon & Carlton in relation to familiarity.

It is just laughable to claim that a venue where you play more than a quarter of your games is an ‘away’ game in the sense of heading to a venue you may go to once a year!

Pies on the other hand

We have played interstate 10 times (won 8 of them), but only hosted a nOn-vic team at the G 7 times (won only 3 of 7)....almost as if the non-vic teams are becoming familiar playing at the G now!!

We have had a 60% win rate from 28 H&A games at the G, and a 75% win rate from the 16 games away from the G.

It thought we are supposed to have some big advantage playing at G??

It really isn’t hard to understand that there is no real advantage when an opponent like Geelong has fecking played 12 games there also!!

Or to take it further, a non-vic team like the Eagles...they play 6 away games at the G, and as the ground is same size they have no real issue competing...and beat Pies and push Tigers.

But they pop down to the toy oval at CatPark once in two years and cop a 10 goal thumping as not used to the ground.

And then Geelong think they ‘earned’ their minor premiership which is only built on % gained from the huge advantage they get during H&A!!

It is laughable

Lol. Codswallop.

 

[Ross]

Geelong, Brisbane and Richmond all finished same wins.

It was % that was the difference.

Eagles play Tigers at G, a regular sized ground they are familiar with and it is a close tussle...they go to Geelong and get trounced by 10 goals.

Carlton have a resurgence under Teague, are pushing all clubs including wins against Brisbane, and worse loss being by 4 goals to a rampant Tiger team...head down the highway and cop a 10 goal belting.

North similar, giving a great account of themselves everywhere - head to CatPark cop a 10 goal belting and can only score 1 goal.

Geelong get the biggest leg-up in the league, where they have a toy home ground where they belt up on teams who don’t know how to play the ground...but then play almost half of their remaining ‘away’ games (12 of 26 games away from CatPark in 18/19) at the G sees their H&A position inflated by a few spots every season.

These are deflections that address nothing from my post. If anything, you should agree that if the AFL wants to maximise finals attendance they should go all in with it because then your club would play every final at your home ground.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Geelong get a gift with the fixture every single year.

A gift. Every year.

17 of the 18 clubs have ONE of these two things:
1.) A strong home ground advantage
2.) minimal interstate travel.

Geelong is the only club that has both. Yep, they get both.

Clubs like Collingwood, Essendon Richmond etc have minimal interstate travel, yes, but they also have no strong home ground advantage unless they play a travelling non-Victorian side.

Non-Vic clubs like Adelaide, Fremantle etc have a strong home ground advantage, but they have to travel 10 times per year.

Geelong get a gift with the fixture every year which is clearly worth a couple of wins.

And now they are whingeing about a home final. Are you kidding me? They get a home state final at the MCG for God's sake. They don't have to get on a plane. It's the MCG, 70 km down the highway. It's a neutral game. Since when are Geelong NOT familiar with the MCG? When did that false narrative start???

Essendon play home many home games in their home stadium of Marvel and how many home games at the MCG?

 

[blue harvest]

Geelong is what it is. It’s not Melbourne and it now has a big new stadium of its own.

Big? They used to get more people in there in the 80s than they do now.

 

[parano1a]

Care to explain why the Giants aren't playing at the larger capacity SCG first week of finals then?

Supply and demand. Nobody who wants to attend is being locked out. If GWS was regularly selling out the stadium for its home games, the AFL would move the game to the larger venue.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Supply and demand. Nobody who wants to attend is being locked out. If GWS was regularly selling out the stadium for its home games, the AFL would move the game to the larger venue.

Doesn't matter the AFL have dictated that finals are to be played at the biggest capacity stadium in each state.

 

[Hoops]

H

They have been partitioning for all home games to be played there since the redevelopment.
The AFL don't schedule them because their bonus KPI's are based on turnstile numbers not what clubs and fans want.

And around we go again

 

[mcgarnacle]

Geelong, Brisbane and Richmond all finished same wins.

It was % that was the difference.

Eagles play Tigers at G, a regular sized ground they are familiar with and it is a close tussle...they go to Geelong and get trounced by 10 goals.

Carlton have a resurgence under Teague, are pushing all clubs including wins against Brisbane, and worse loss being by 4 goals to a rampant Tiger team...head down the highway and cop a 10 goal belting.

North similar, giving a great account of themselves everywhere - head to CatPark cop a 10 goal belting and can only score 1 goal.

Geelong get the biggest leg-up in the league, where they have a toy home ground where they belt up on teams who don’t know how to play the ground...but then play almost half of their remaining ‘away’ games (12 of 26 games away from CatPark in 18/19) at the G sees their H&A position inflated by a few spots every season.

That’s the beauty of home grounds. Something the AFL and Melbourne clubs decided to get rid of. It’s now a homogenised sport in Melbourne. Two venues and the only difference between the 9 clubs are their colours and names.

Geelong is not in Melbourne, and they’ve pushed to have investment in their home ground. It’s what clubs in every major field sport aim for....except Melbourne AFL clubs.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Care to explain why the Giants aren't playing at the larger capacity SCG first week of finals then?

Boom! Got him

 

[Tiger71]

Geelong, Brisbane and Richmond all finished same wins.

It was % that was the difference.

Eagles play Tigers at G, a regular sized ground they are familiar with and it is a close tussle...they go to Geelong and get trounced by 10 goals.

Carlton have a resurgence under Teague, are pushing all clubs including wins against Brisbane, and worse loss being by 4 goals to a rampant Tiger team...head down the highway and cop a 10 goal belting.

North similar, giving a great account of themselves everywhere - head to CatPark cop a 10 goal belting and can only score 1 goal.

Geelong get the biggest leg-up in the league, where they have a toy home ground where they belt up on teams who don’t know how to play the ground...but then play almost half of their remaining ‘away’ games (12 of 26 games away from CatPark in 18/19) at the G sees their H&A position inflated by a few spots every season.

Spot on mate. this unfairness needs to stop. I wish both our coaches do a Scott, and cry and cry about how unfair it is in each press conference. We then get one of our stars to back him up by also bleating about it.

This comp is so pro cats, they even got Hocking to give them the new rules to test out before any other side, no wonder there form tapered off after the bye as teams got used to them.

 

[Hoops]

If Cook was serious about 11 games in Geelong, he would come out and slam the AFL for scheduling them on the Easter Monday match as the home team aganist the club's express wishes.

But we all know that's never going to happen...which is why I know 11 home matches are never going to happen. Geelong fans are too trusting.

Why would they mention Easter Monday? If they are going to "slam" the AFL just mentioning all home games in Geelong is enough

 

[Max Caddy]

Big? They used to get more people in there in the 80s than they do now.

An 80's stadium though with most of the crowd standing. Wouldn't fly these days.

 

[Thedivided]

Get a ground that holds more then 35k and people could understand the complaining. The AFL grand final is already a debacle considering so little actual supporters get to the game. The only way they justify this is by playing the rest of the finals at the larger grounds so real supporters can go to it and of course money helps. I don't see how its entirely fair that geelong is the only victorian side in the league to have a legitimate home ground either. Couldn't really care where we played but be realistic what about the other 60 odd thousand that wanna go to this game.

 

[yodellinhank]

Care to explain why the Giants aren't playing at the larger capacity SCG first week of finals then?

The same reason they and Gold Coast came into the comp ahead of Tasmania.

Doesn't matter the AFL have dictated that finals are to be played at the biggest capacity stadium in each state.

where was this?

 

[Eatosk]

They have been partitioning for all home games to be played there since the redevelopment.
The AFL don't schedule them because their bonus KPI's are based on turnstile numbers not what clubs and fans want.

Vote with your feet. Boycott all MCG games. It’s not fair it costs you home games at Kardina Park. Why should North have to play at Kardina Park and not Hawthorn, Collingwood and Essendon year after year. It’s not what our fans want and we ask the AFL for all home and away games against Geelong to be played at Marvel but they don’t listen. I hear your pain it’s not fair.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

To give you a idea how *ed the AFL system is Collingwood is more advantaged finishing 4th than 3rd, what is the reward for Geelong finishing 1st???

 

[blue harvest]

Doesn't matter the AFL have dictated that finals are to be played at the biggest capacity stadium in each state.

No they haven't.

 

[blue harvest]

To give you a idea how ******ed the AFL system is Collingwood is more advantaged finishing 4th than 3rd, what is the reward for Geelong finishing 1st???

Blue shorts.

 

[yodellinhank]

To give you a idea how ******ed the AFL system is Collingwood is more advantaged finishing 4th than 3rd, what is the reward for Geelong finishing 1st???

McClelland trophy.

 

[Underarm]

Why would they mention Easter Monday? If they are going to "slam" the AFL just mentioning all home games in Geelong is enough

Well seeing as its the biggest blockbuster game its would make the biggest ripple and then perhaps the AFL would take Cook serious when he talks about 11 games in Geelong.

I expect Cook will stay pretty quiet on the issue in November. He will pretend to be disappointed enough to convince the Geelong members whilst being pretty happy with 2 home matches at the MCG, Including the Easter Monday Blockbuster.

 

[parano1a]

Blue shorts.

Geelong will be in white shorts.

 

[WillHayward]

I truly believe Geelong should get a home final in Geelong.

Yes they have a home ground advatage in the H & A but that means in all games they don't play at Geelong they have a disadvantage.
So overall they break even over a season.

Teams with co-tenants, have either an advantage, disadvantage or a no advantage game when they play a co-tenant. They also break even over a season.

Therefore it is logically and mathematically unfair that Geeong finish 1st and have to play at the 4th team's ground.

Ive heard the argument that co-tenant teams dont get a home ground advantage but they do when they play teams not from that ground AND they get an advantage that they get AWAY games versus co-tenants at their HOME ground. So its a BS argument.

Geelong are being shafted if you actually think it through logically.

 

[parano1a]

To give you a idea how ******ed the AFL system is Collingwood is more advantaged finishing 4th than 3rd, what is the reward for Geelong finishing 1st???

Geelong's advantage is that they get to play their first two finals in their home state. Where their oppponents are from is irrelevant, but with 10 Victorian teams in the competition sometimes they will be local.

 

[WillHayward]

Geelong's advantage is that they get to play their first two finals in their home state. Where their oppponents are from is irrelevant, but with 10 Victorian teams in the competition sometimes they will be local.

Home State is meaningless.

Might as well let Collingwood play at Victoria Park.

What you described is no advantage. If Collingwood lose in week 1 then they still get a home final in week 2 . Probably against an interstate side.
SO a HUGE avantage for Collingwood for finishing 4th. Absolutely huge. They might as well as finished 1st.

 

[Eatosk]

Home State is meaningless.

Might as well let Collingwood play at Victoria Park.

What you described is no advantage. If Collingwood lose in week 1 then they still get a home final in week 2 . Probably against an interstate side.
SO a HUGE avantage for Collingwood for finishing 4th. Absolutely huge. They might as well as finished 1st.

If Collingwood played every home game there, why not? But if they played minnow clubs there but all the big clubs at the “G” to accommodate crowd numbers then no. Simple really.