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One of things I find hard to compute is the relative value other clubs and commentators (including this Board) appear to put on the VFL coach role in comparison to how I perceive St Kilda do.I’m not bagging ratten it’s the nah sayers in relation to Harvey that annoy me.
Comparisons are sometimes difficult and at present Clarkson because of his success is the rolled gold standard. He had a brief stint as a runner at Melbourne, then an assistant with us before he took over at Werribee then on to the SANFL and back as an assistant before landing the job at hawthorn. That’s his resume not a blueprint for others to follow.
Harvey was a superstar who played much longer, he’s coached as an assistant at three clubs for what 10 odd years and is highly rated and praised in his current role at the leagues biggest club. Imagine ditching the senior assistants role at Collingwood to coach Sandringham yet that’s what he’s being asked effectively to do when posters say he needs to run his own team. To me that’s just rubbish, when Clarkson took over at Werribee it was a natural progression and the first year of a combined afl/vfl reserves comp.
Anyway Harvey should have kicked the door down to get back to the saints as an assistant, he’s well and truly qualified to take the job he obviously misread the situation and missed his chance. I expect ratten to get the job and hope he’s a 10 year coach but I would have liked to see Harvey get a chance in the job the same way many will hope that one day Lenny gets the gig.
There’s definitely some sentimentality involved and I’m sure it would have provided a boost in membership numbers and a goodwill period which I doubt ratten gets. I hope for his sake and the clubs we hit the ground running because nobody is getting 5 years like richo again.
There are different schools of thought on this, some see it as beneficial even at local level like richo and Fagan others don’t rate it.One of things I find hard to compute is the relative value other clubs and commentators (including this Board) appear to put on the VFL coach role in comparison to how I perceive St Kilda do.
We've got Senior Assistants at other clubs being tagged as needing to take a vfl role to prove themselves, but we seem to use it as an exit lounge or stage of demotion for our coaches.
I just saw a post from chook Nixon someone sent me even he things pick 5 or two late firsts is a joke for hill, late first at best.
I would really like hill he’s contracted so they have the whip hand but there is no way he’s worth more than a late first. I’m just walking away at that price and waiting to see who else steps up, can’t see anyone offering better than that.
StCicatriz you tempted to come back on in 2020 ??
I’m not bagging ratten it’s the nah sayers in relation to Harvey that annoy me.
Comparisons are sometimes difficult and at present Clarkson because of his success is the rolled gold standard. He had a brief stint as a runner at Melbourne, then an assistant with us before he took over at Werribee then on to the SANFL and back as an assistant before landing the job at hawthorn. That’s his resume not a blueprint for others to follow.
Harvey was a superstar who played much longer, he’s coached as an assistant at three clubs for what 10 odd years and is highly rated and praised in his current role at the leagues biggest club. Imagine ditching the senior assistants role at Collingwood to coach Sandringham yet that’s what he’s being asked effectively to do when posters say he needs to run his own team. To me that’s just rubbish, when Clarkson took over at Werribee it was a natural progression and the first year of a combined afl/vfl reserves comp.
Anyway Harvey should have kicked the door down to get back to the saints as an assistant, he’s well and truly qualified to take the job he obviously misread the situation and missed his chance. I expect ratten to get the job and hope he’s a 10 year coach but I would have liked to see Harvey get a chance in the job the same way many will hope that one day Lenny gets the gig.
There’s definitely some sentimentality involved and I’m sure it would have provided a boost in membership numbers and a goodwill period which I doubt ratten gets. I hope for his sake and the clubs we hit the ground running because nobody is getting 5 years like richo again.
Tom Morris wouldnt know his elbow from his A hole ... there is totally no way we are doing two firsts and acres for Brad Hill...i wish i was mate, but i'm absolutely exhausted after the last 3 years.
can't do it. need a break.
i fear my heart coming into this trade period if tom morris is correct.
yep its called a wrist ... Ratten is a lock ... take it to the bank.. dead certainty... blah blah blahI get the feeling that Ratts is not a lock-in..has the club got something up its sleeve?
Sorry Austin it’s just totally pointless and unrealistic, imo most coaches won’t have done this and if they do it’s early in their coaching career.I wouldn't recommend he coach Sandringham, because he'd essentially be beholden to us, but definitely a standalone club where he ran things would be beneficial.
We already know he can assist, just as we already know he was a great player, but Nathan Buckley saying the Pies would be fine with Harves as coach is totally different to Harvey coaching week in week out, dealing with player complaints, pressure from the admin, the media, the fans, working with list managers, having a heavy hand and maybe final say in long term strategic planning, all the rest. Not too much to ask he have a go on a lower league first.
It would be a nice touch to his career if he got a chance with us one day, but we can't afford to be sentimental, and especially be giving coaches goodwill periods, simply because they were great for us as players. I disagree with giving him an easy ride to the club's detriment on the back of him being a favourite son, and I reckon he would feel uneasy about it too.
I agree that no future coach will be getting 5 years again, but Richo did briefly look promising back around 2016, that fooled everyone.
i wish i was mate, but i'm absolutely exhausted after the last 3 years.
can't do it. need a break.
i fear my heart coming into this trade period if tom morris is correct.
yep its called a wrist ... Ratten is a lock ... take it to the bank.. dead certainty... blah blah blah
The Saints are a teaseIf he isn’t appointed coach it would be the best kept secret since Buddy ended up at the Swans.
3 gamer membership
Cmon
U know deep down, u really really want to.
Tom Morris wouldnt know his elbow from his A hole ... there is totally no way we are doing two firsts and acres for Brad Hill...
I never said anything!!!!No he agreed with you. Someone put it to him about pick 5 or 2 late firsts. Toot toot says only 1 late 1st round