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This turned out much longer than expected, but:

  • List management
    • Brodie and pals focus purely on draft
    • Agresta sees the national champs and key games, sits on recruiting meetings
    • Agresta and SOS on list strategy; TPP etc
    • Agresta runs pro scouting (this means AFL and state leagues?)
    • Take a 3-5 year out timeframe re list management/TPP
    • List managers in open talks with team recruiters; ie if they were thinking of trading x pick, they run it by recruiters to see what they had planned
    • Future of scouting? Data analytics. We have a data and research crew that we worth together (with?). Spent some time with head of Seattle Seahawks research
    • Live trading: would be nice to be able to trade 2 years in advance. Comfortable with trading players on draft night. Will get there eventually. Pre/mid season trade period; still a long way off, but will happen eventually. Will need restrictions.
  • Team/list
    • Looking out 5 years, have a good spine locked away, depth in midfield. Lots of natural growth. Have put lots of games into kids. Don’t think we NEED to nail a Shiel/Cogs type in order to make the next step and then make it easier to recruit.
    • Russell been a huge influence on entire group.
  • Players
    • Walsh: club was always set on Sam as #1 pick. Didn’t actively seek to trade #1 pick, but didn’t rule out trading it. Walsh was nervy at 2018 combine interview; first and last time seen Sam flustered. Couldn’t have expected his 2018. Never seen anything like him in terms of ready to go. Hard to pick flaws, important that he copes with times if/when he isn’t performing at his peak.
    • Stocker trade: Liam was one of a number of players rated really highly. Had reached out to a few clubs in case a player was still available. Turned out as a win/win for both clubs. REALLY happy with how Stocker is progressing (adding HBF ability). Think Stocker would be right up there in 2019 draft. Stocker is a confident lad, but didn’t factor that into ‘would he be able to handle the scrutinty’ from pick swap.
    • BSOS: he’s had a really good year. Trying to find his feet early in the year as young KPP. He’s added spark to the club, a great character. Made good progress. Shown some form up forward.
    • Gibbo: Went into ND and RD 2018 with plan to keep spot open. Really happy with Gibbo’s output. Just as excited about Cottrell.
    • ‘Hidden gem’ on the list? really excited about TDK. Going to take time. He’s a ruckman (didn’t hesitate).
    • LOB flourished in second half, after struggling in first half.
    • Dow: last few weeks we saw the real Paddy Dow
    • Seen growth in SPS (HBF) and Fisher (HFF) in 2nd half of year. Were confident Samo would have a good year, completed majority of pre-season. In really good shape.
    • Cripps: great person, great leader. Helps having him to build around. Helps as part of the sell to other clubs. Been great for culture of the club.
  • Draft
    • 2019 draft pool: lacks top end tall talent, has a lot of talent across the rounds. Really good depth. Depth in rucks (particularly notable), midfield.
    • Settled on the pool of players to go in the draft, but not order yet. Still need interviews and combine.
    • Combine: full-on process, hectic couple of days. Focus on how players cope with it
    • Important to involve Teague (coach) in recruitment, so everyone is on the same page. Teague will be there at the combine, sitting in on interviews. Keen to be involved, but respects recruiters’ expertise
    • What does Agresta look for? How competitive they are. All the kids are skilled, but competitiveness the key (not just contested ball, but things like LOB’s running)
    • Younger brothers (Dow, TDK): Saw them when Vic Country visited. Would be nice to see them play together at some stage. Both talented, but a bit inconsistent. Henry Walsh is 203cm.
  • Targets:
    • Will keep pick 8? Long way to go. Want to improve the list, however we can. Draft, FA, trade. (Me reading between the lines, it’s going to be traded).
    • We have been linked to everyone….haha
    • No Cogs doesn’t change the situation. He’s a star but you move on really quickly. We had no idea how it would turn out.
    • Recruit wishlist: Didn’t bite on what kind players looking for. Laughed about how Cain Liddle spoke of our desire to recruit a small fwd. When pushed, said we would just want good players. Doesn’t really matter where. Did say multiple times that we love where our spine is at; so assume no big play for more KPP. Always consider age, but needs & requirements more important than age consideration at the moment.
    • Re Papley & Betts: not going to discuss other players, especially contracted ones.
    • Martin: met with him this week? Not entirely correct. Have met with him. Planning to meet with him again.
    • How we pitch players: it varies player to player
(WAY)TL;DR - Mick seems to a personable and professional fella. The club loves where it's at, at the moment. Lots of young talent, natural upside, but always looking to add talent wherever we can. Club genuinely open to whatever strategy can improve us.
 
Red Bull said:
His year this year was a write off as you well know.
He shouldn’t be judged on it.
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Let's see what comes about, but given that at least as much as we know, we're not keen on moving on our premium young players, I can't see a way we could possibly secure all the names we're attached to and in particular Papley, Wines and Martin.

If SOS could though manufacture all of them with the picks we have then fine.....no problem, but that's not going to happen so who do we get and who can't we afford? It's tricky but also interesting just how relaxed us fans seem to be of releasing premium currency for the years 2019 and '20.

I don't see it. Just can't see SOS going in so deep for Wines and largely because he doesn't complete us, but given what some are suggesting, does strip us from all our currency for two years. The 2021 first doesn't count as that could ultimately be viewed as a pick in the teens for all we know and then we have the discounting of future picks. We're not going to be getting any premium talent with that pick next year. Not going to happen, so without trading quality players next year, we'd be hamstrung and still left with holes.
 
ferrisb said:
This turned out much longer than expected, but:

  • List management
    • Brodie and pals focus purely on draft
    • Agresta sees the national champs and key games, sits on recruiting meetings
    • Agresta and SOS on list strategy; TPP etc
    • Agresta runs pro scouting (this means AFL and state leagues?)
    • Take a 3-5 year out timeframe re list management/TPP
    • List managers in open talks with team recruiters; ie if they were thinking of trading x pick, they run it by recruiters to see what they had planned
    • Future of scouting? Data analytics. We have a data and research crew that we worth together (with?). Spent some time with head of Seattle Seahawks research
    • Live trading: would be nice to be able to trade 2 years in advance. Comfortable with trading players on draft night. Will get there eventually. Pre/mid season trade period; still a long way off, but will happen eventually. Will need restrictions.
  • Team/list
    • Looking out 5 years, have a good spine locked away, depth in midfield. Lots of natural growth. Have put lots of games into kids. Don’t think we NEED to nail a Shiel/Cogs type in order to make the next step and then make it easier to recruit.
    • Russell been a huge influence on entire group.
  • Players
    • Walsh: club was always set on Sam as #1 pick. Didn’t actively seek to trade #1 pick, but didn’t rule out trading it. Walsh was nervy at 2018 combine interview; first and last time seen Sam flustered. Couldn’t have expected his 2018. Never seen anything like him in terms of ready to go. Hard to pick flaws, important that he copes with times if/when he isn’t performing at his peak.
    • Stocker trade: Liam was one of a number of players rated really highly. Had reached out to a few clubs in case a player was still available. Turned out as a win/win for both clubs. REALLY happy with how Stocker is progressing (adding HBF ability). Think Stocker would be right up there in 2019 draft. Stocker is a confident lad, but didn’t factor that into ‘would he be able to handle the scrutinty’ from pick swap.
    • BSOS: he’s had a really good year. Trying to find his feet early in the year as young KPP. He’s added spark to the club, a great character. Made good progress. Shown some form up forward.
    • Gibbo: Went into ND and RD 2018 with plan to keep spot open. Really happy with Gibbo’s output. Just as excited about Cottrell.
    • ‘Hidden gem’ on the list? really excited about TDK. Going to take time. He’s a ruckman (didn’t hesitate).
    • LOB flourished in second half, after struggling in first half.
    • Dow: last few weeks we saw the real Paddy Dow
    • Seen growth in SPS (HBF) and Fisher (HFF) in 2nd half of year. Were confident Samo would have a good year, completed majority of pre-season. In really good shape.
    • Cripps: great person, great leader. Helps having him to build around. Helps as part of the sell to other clubs. Been great for culture of the club.
  • Draft
    • 2019 draft pool: lacks top end tall talent, has a lot of talent across the rounds. Really good depth. Depth in rucks (particularly notable), midfield.
    • Settled on the pool of players to go in the draft, but not order yet. Still need interviews and combine.
    • Combine: full-on process, hectic couple of days. Focus on how players cope with it
    • Important to involve Teague (coach) in recruitment, so everyone is on the same page. Teague will be there at the combine, sitting in on interviews. Keen to be involved, but respects recruiters’ expertise
    • What does Agresta look for? How competitive they are. All the kids are skilled, but competitiveness the key (not just contested ball, but things like LOB’s running)
    • Younger brothers (Dow, TDK): Saw them when Vic Country visited. Would be nice to see them play together at some stage. Both talented, but a bit inconsistent. Henry Walsh is 203cm.
  • Targets:
    • Will keep pick 8? Long way to go. Want to improve the list, however we can. Draft, FA, trade. (Me reading between the lines, it’s going to be traded).
    • We have been linked to everyone….haha
    • No Cogs doesn’t change the situation. He’s a star but you move on really quickly. We had no idea how it would turn out.
    • Recruit wishlist: Didn’t bite on what kind players looking for. Laughed about how Cain Liddle spoke of our desire to recruit a small fwd. When pushed, said we would just want good players. Doesn’t really matter where. Did say multiple times that we love where our spine is at; so assume no big play for more KPP. Always consider age, but needs & requirements more important than age consideration at the moment.
    • Re Papley & Betts: not going to discuss other players, especially contracted ones.
    • Martin: met with him this week? Not entirely correct. Have met with him. Planning to meet with him again.
    • How we pitch players: it varies player to player
(WAY)TL;DR - Mick seems to a personable and professional fella. The club loves where it's at, at the moment. Lots of young talent, natural upside, but always looking to add talent wherever we can. Club genuinely open to whatever strategy can improve us.
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ferrisb said:
This turned out much longer than expected, but:

  • List management
    • Brodie and pals focus purely on draft
    • Agresta sees the national champs and key games, sits on recruiting meetings
    • Agresta and SOS on list strategy; TPP etc
    • Agresta runs pro scouting (this means AFL and state leagues?)
    • Take a 3-5 year out timeframe re list management/TPP
    • List managers in open talks with team recruiters; ie if they were thinking of trading x pick, they run it by recruiters to see what they had planned
    • Future of scouting? Data analytics. We have a data and research crew that we worth together (with?). Spent some time with head of Seattle Seahawks research
    • Live trading: would be nice to be able to trade 2 years in advance. Comfortable with trading players on draft night. Will get there eventually. Pre/mid season trade period; still a long way off, but will happen eventually. Will need restrictions.
  • Team/list
    • Looking out 5 years, have a good spine locked away, depth in midfield. Lots of natural growth. Have put lots of games into kids. Don’t think we NEED to nail a Shiel/Cogs type in order to make the next step and then make it easier to recruit.
    • Russell been a huge influence on entire group.
  • Players
    • Walsh: club was always set on Sam as #1 pick. Didn’t actively seek to trade #1 pick, but didn’t rule out trading it. Walsh was nervy at 2018 combine interview; first and last time seen Sam flustered. Couldn’t have expected his 2018. Never seen anything like him in terms of ready to go. Hard to pick flaws, important that he copes with times if/when he isn’t performing at his peak.
    • Stocker trade: Liam was one of a number of players rated really highly. Had reached out to a few clubs in case a player was still available. Turned out as a win/win for both clubs. REALLY happy with how Stocker is progressing (adding HBF ability). Think Stocker would be right up there in 2019 draft. Stocker is a confident lad, but didn’t factor that into ‘would he be able to handle the scrutinty’ from pick swap.
    • BSOS: he’s had a really good year. Trying to find his feet early in the year as young KPP. He’s added spark to the club, a great character. Made good progress. Shown some form up forward.
    • Gibbo: Went into ND and RD 2018 with plan to keep spot open. Really happy with Gibbo’s output. Just as excited about Cottrell.
    • ‘Hidden gem’ on the list? really excited about TDK. Going to take time. He’s a ruckman (didn’t hesitate).
    • LOB flourished in second half, after struggling in first half.
    • Dow: last few weeks we saw the real Paddy Dow
    • Seen growth in SPS (HBF) and Fisher (HFF) in 2nd half of year. Were confident Samo would have a good year, completed majority of pre-season. In really good shape.
    • Cripps: great person, great leader. Helps having him to build around. Helps as part of the sell to other clubs. Been great for culture of the club.
  • Draft
    • 2019 draft pool: lacks top end tall talent, has a lot of talent across the rounds. Really good depth. Depth in rucks (particularly notable), midfield.
    • Settled on the pool of players to go in the draft, but not order yet. Still need interviews and combine.
    • Combine: full-on process, hectic couple of days. Focus on how players cope with it
    • Important to involve Teague (coach) in recruitment, so everyone is on the same page. Teague will be there at the combine, sitting in on interviews. Keen to be involved, but respects recruiters’ expertise
    • What does Agresta look for? How competitive they are. All the kids are skilled, but competitiveness the key (not just contested ball, but things like LOB’s running)
    • Younger brothers (Dow, TDK): Saw them when Vic Country visited. Would be nice to see them play together at some stage. Both talented, but a bit inconsistent. Henry Walsh is 203cm.
  • Targets:
    • Will keep pick 8? Long way to go. Want to improve the list, however we can. Draft, FA, trade. (Me reading between the lines, it’s going to be traded).
    • We have been linked to everyone….haha
    • No Cogs doesn’t change the situation. He’s a star but you move on really quickly. We had no idea how it would turn out.
    • Recruit wishlist: Didn’t bite on what kind players looking for. Laughed about how Cain Liddle spoke of our desire to recruit a small fwd. When pushed, said we would just want good players. Doesn’t really matter where. Did say multiple times that we love where our spine is at; so assume no big play for more KPP. Always consider age, but needs & requirements more important than age consideration at the moment.
    • Re Papley & Betts: not going to discuss other players, especially contracted ones.
    • Martin: met with him this week? Not entirely correct. Have met with him. Planning to meet with him again.
    • How we pitch players: it varies player to player
(WAY)TL;DR - Mick seems to a personable and professional fella. The club loves where it's at, at the moment. Lots of young talent, natural upside, but always looking to add talent wherever we can. Club genuinely open to whatever strategy can improve us.
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Sorry ferrisb, could've saved you heaps of time. Did the same thing precisely for the Media thread (then moved to the List Management thread) - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2019-list-management-discussion-ii.1225291/post-62673643

Great minds think alike I guess!

P.S. I reckon you did it better ♥
 
ferrisb said:
This turned out much longer than expected, but:

  • List management
    • Brodie and pals focus purely on draft
    • Agresta sees the national champs and key games, sits on recruiting meetings
    • Agresta and SOS on list strategy; TPP etc
    • Agresta runs pro scouting (this means AFL and state leagues?)
    • Take a 3-5 year out timeframe re list management/TPP
    • List managers in open talks with team recruiters; ie if they were thinking of trading x pick, they run it by recruiters to see what they had planned
    • Future of scouting? Data analytics. We have a data and research crew that we worth together (with?). Spent some time with head of Seattle Seahawks research
    • Live trading: would be nice to be able to trade 2 years in advance. Comfortable with trading players on draft night. Will get there eventually. Pre/mid season trade period; still a long way off, but will happen eventually. Will need restrictions.
  • Team/list
    • Looking out 5 years, have a good spine locked away, depth in midfield. Lots of natural growth. Have put lots of games into kids. Don’t think we NEED to nail a Shiel/Cogs type in order to make the next step and then make it easier to recruit.
    • Russell been a huge influence on entire group.
  • Players
    • Walsh: club was always set on Sam as #1 pick. Didn’t actively seek to trade #1 pick, but didn’t rule out trading it. Walsh was nervy at 2018 combine interview; first and last time seen Sam flustered. Couldn’t have expected his 2018. Never seen anything like him in terms of ready to go. Hard to pick flaws, important that he copes with times if/when he isn’t performing at his peak.
    • Stocker trade: Liam was one of a number of players rated really highly. Had reached out to a few clubs in case a player was still available. Turned out as a win/win for both clubs. REALLY happy with how Stocker is progressing (adding HBF ability). Think Stocker would be right up there in 2019 draft. Stocker is a confident lad, but didn’t factor that into ‘would he be able to handle the scrutinty’ from pick swap.
    • BSOS: he’s had a really good year. Trying to find his feet early in the year as young KPP. He’s added spark to the club, a great character. Made good progress. Shown some form up forward.
    • Gibbo: Went into ND and RD 2018 with plan to keep spot open. Really happy with Gibbo’s output. Just as excited about Cottrell.
    • ‘Hidden gem’ on the list? really excited about TDK. Going to take time. He’s a ruckman (didn’t hesitate).
    • LOB flourished in second half, after struggling in first half.
    • Dow: last few weeks we saw the real Paddy Dow
    • Seen growth in SPS (HBF) and Fisher (HFF) in 2nd half of year. Were confident Samo would have a good year, completed majority of pre-season. In really good shape.
    • Cripps: great person, great leader. Helps having him to build around. Helps as part of the sell to other clubs. Been great for culture of the club.
  • Draft
    • 2019 draft pool: lacks top end tall talent, has a lot of talent across the rounds. Really good depth. Depth in rucks (particularly notable), midfield.
    • Settled on the pool of players to go in the draft, but not order yet. Still need interviews and combine.
    • Combine: full-on process, hectic couple of days. Focus on how players cope with it
    • Important to involve Teague (coach) in recruitment, so everyone is on the same page. Teague will be there at the combine, sitting in on interviews. Keen to be involved, but respects recruiters’ expertise
    • What does Agresta look for? How competitive they are. All the kids are skilled, but competitiveness the key (not just contested ball, but things like LOB’s running)
    • Younger brothers (Dow, TDK): Saw them when Vic Country visited. Would be nice to see them play together at some stage. Both talented, but a bit inconsistent. Henry Walsh is 203cm.
  • Targets:
    • Will keep pick 8? Long way to go. Want to improve the list, however we can. Draft, FA, trade. (Me reading between the lines, it’s going to be traded).
    • We have been linked to everyone….haha
    • No Cogs doesn’t change the situation. He’s a star but you move on really quickly. We had no idea how it would turn out.
    • Recruit wishlist: Didn’t bite on what kind players looking for. Laughed about how Cain Liddle spoke of our desire to recruit a small fwd. When pushed, said we would just want good players. Doesn’t really matter where. Did say multiple times that we love where our spine is at; so assume no big play for more KPP. Always consider age, but needs & requirements more important than age consideration at the moment.
    • Re Papley & Betts: not going to discuss other players, especially contracted ones.
    • Martin: met with him this week? Not entirely correct. Have met with him. Planning to meet with him again.
    • How we pitch players: it varies player to player
(WAY)TL;DR - Mick seems to a personable and professional fella. The club loves where it's at, at the moment. Lots of young talent, natural upside, but always looking to add talent wherever we can. Club genuinely open to whatever strategy can improve us.
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Great summary, thanks!
 
HARKER said:
Let's see what comes about, but given that at least as much as we know, we're not keen on moving on our premium young players, I can't see a way we could possibly secure all the names we're attached to and in particular Papley, Wines and Martin.

If SOS could though manufacture all of them with the picks we have then fine.....no problem, but that's not going to happen so who do we get and who can't we afford? It's tricky but also interesting just how relaxed us fans seem to be of releasing premium currency for the years 2019 and '20.

I don't see it. Just can't see SOS going in so deep for Wines and largely because he doesn't complete us, but given what some are suggesting, does strip us from all our currency for two years. The 2021 first doesn't count as that could ultimately be viewed as a pick in the teens for all we know and then we have the discounting of future picks. We're not going to be getting any premium talent with that pick next year. Not going to happen, so without trading quality players next year, we'd be hamstrung and still left with holes.
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The heavy drafting has been done, the bulk of the required list going forward is in place now.
Time to fill the missing pieces as best we can with the currency available to us and hit FA hard each year.
We need another experienced top shelf midfielder to assist Cripps and bridge the gap to our talented youth.
We need small quick talented hard working forwards.
We need a bridging ruckman.
The trades ive previously outlined earlier address all these areas.
Full confidence in Silvagni and his team.
 
Red Bull said:
Time to fill the missing pieces as best we can with the currency available to us and hit FA hard each year.
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We couldn’t hit it any harder than we did this year. Bringing in Free Agents isn’t as easy as everyone seems to think. I wouldn’t be moving on 2 first rounders unless it’s for the perfect player. Which I don’t believe Wines is. I’m with Harker.
 
Red Bull said:
The heavy drafting has been done, the bulk of the required list going forward is in place now.
Time to fill the missing pieces as best we can with the currency available to us and hit FA hard each year.
We need another experienced top shelf midfielder to assist Cripps and bridge the gap to our talented youth.
We need small quick talented hard working forwards.
We need a bridging ruckman.
The trades ive previously outlined earlier address all these areas.
Full confidence in Silvagni and his team.
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Most of the pieces are in place and at this stage we largely see the same thing -
We need - 1. A quality inside/outside mid. 2. Some speed coming out of the back-line 3. Small/Medium forwards that can kick goals. 4. Ruck-man

If we can attain a combination of two players (Papley & Martin) for what we'd have to pay for Wines........Go the former.
The ruckman can come later and even next year if need be.

We're not far away by way of personnel but we have to get them fitter, stronger, smarter and hungrier.
 
Anyone got an actually time frame of when Jack Martin will make his decision ? Hope it doesn't drag on throughout the finals series.

But I suppose it's a decison that can't be taken lightly either. Still seems like it's down to us and The Dogs
 

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ferrisb said:
This turned out much longer than expected, but:

  • List management
    • Brodie and pals focus purely on draft
    • Agresta sees the national champs and key games, sits on recruiting meetings
    • Agresta and SOS on list strategy; TPP etc
    • Agresta runs pro scouting (this means AFL and state leagues?)
    • Take a 3-5 year out timeframe re list management/TPP
    • List managers in open talks with team recruiters; ie if they were thinking of trading x pick, they run it by recruiters to see what they had planned
    • Future of scouting? Data analytics. We have a data and research crew that we worth together (with?). Spent some time with head of Seattle Seahawks research
    • Live trading: would be nice to be able to trade 2 years in advance. Comfortable with trading players on draft night. Will get there eventually. Pre/mid season trade period; still a long way off, but will happen eventually. Will need restrictions.
  • Team/list
    • Looking out 5 years, have a good spine locked away, depth in midfield. Lots of natural growth. Have put lots of games into kids. Don’t think we NEED to nail a Shiel/Cogs type in order to make the next step and then make it easier to recruit.
    • Russell been a huge influence on entire group.
  • Players
    • Walsh: club was always set on Sam as #1 pick. Didn’t actively seek to trade #1 pick, but didn’t rule out trading it. Walsh was nervy at 2018 combine interview; first and last time seen Sam flustered. Couldn’t have expected his 2018. Never seen anything like him in terms of ready to go. Hard to pick flaws, important that he copes with times if/when he isn’t performing at his peak.
    • Stocker trade: Liam was one of a number of players rated really highly. Had reached out to a few clubs in case a player was still available. Turned out as a win/win for both clubs. REALLY happy with how Stocker is progressing (adding HBF ability). Think Stocker would be right up there in 2019 draft. Stocker is a confident lad, but didn’t factor that into ‘would he be able to handle the scrutinty’ from pick swap.
    • BSOS: he’s had a really good year. Trying to find his feet early in the year as young KPP. He’s added spark to the club, a great character. Made good progress. Shown some form up forward.
    • Gibbo: Went into ND and RD 2018 with plan to keep spot open. Really happy with Gibbo’s output. Just as excited about Cottrell.
    • ‘Hidden gem’ on the list? really excited about TDK. Going to take time. He’s a ruckman (didn’t hesitate).
    • LOB flourished in second half, after struggling in first half.
    • Dow: last few weeks we saw the real Paddy Dow
    • Seen growth in SPS (HBF) and Fisher (HFF) in 2nd half of year. Were confident Samo would have a good year, completed majority of pre-season. In really good shape.
    • Cripps: great person, great leader. Helps having him to build around. Helps as part of the sell to other clubs. Been great for culture of the club.
  • Draft
    • 2019 draft pool: lacks top end tall talent, has a lot of talent across the rounds. Really good depth. Depth in rucks (particularly notable), midfield.
    • Settled on the pool of players to go in the draft, but not order yet. Still need interviews and combine.
    • Combine: full-on process, hectic couple of days. Focus on how players cope with it
    • Important to involve Teague (coach) in recruitment, so everyone is on the same page. Teague will be there at the combine, sitting in on interviews. Keen to be involved, but respects recruiters’ expertise
    • What does Agresta look for? How competitive they are. All the kids are skilled, but competitiveness the key (not just contested ball, but things like LOB’s running)
    • Younger brothers (Dow, TDK): Saw them when Vic Country visited. Would be nice to see them play together at some stage. Both talented, but a bit inconsistent. Henry Walsh is 203cm.
  • Targets:
    • Will keep pick 8? Long way to go. Want to improve the list, however we can. Draft, FA, trade. (Me reading between the lines, it’s going to be traded).
    • We have been linked to everyone….haha
    • No Cogs doesn’t change the situation. He’s a star but you move on really quickly. We had no idea how it would turn out.
    • Recruit wishlist: Didn’t bite on what kind players looking for. Laughed about how Cain Liddle spoke of our desire to recruit a small fwd. When pushed, said we would just want good players. Doesn’t really matter where. Did say multiple times that we love where our spine is at; so assume no big play for more KPP. Always consider age, but needs & requirements more important than age consideration at the moment.
    • Re Papley & Betts: not going to discuss other players, especially contracted ones.
    • Martin: met with him this week? Not entirely correct. Have met with him. Planning to meet with him again.
    • How we pitch players: it varies player to player
(WAY)TL;DR - Mick seems to a personable and professional fella. The club loves where it's at, at the moment. Lots of young talent, natural upside, but always looking to add talent wherever we can. Club genuinely open to whatever strategy can improve us.
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I am a little concerned at Teague's insistence that he sit in on interviews at the combine. Coaches can come to different conclusions than people whose job it is to find talent when it's nebulous, and the friction between the head coach and people who are not the head of their department could lead to Teague winning arguments he probably shouldn't be a part of.

If this is not the case - if he's in the meetings just as an observer, and provides input when asked - then all good; I'd probably prefer someone who is in charge of development to be an observer rather than the head coach, but that's just me.
 
tencentpiece said:
FWIW we have tabled an offer for whitfield already, very unlikely to happen. Think it's more about making him aware of our interest for next year.
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Can you play me that sweet music again?
Whitfield is definitely someone we can all get excited about
 
ferrisb said:
This turned out much longer than expected, but:

  • List management
    • Brodie and pals focus purely on draft
    • Agresta sees the national champs and key games, sits on recruiting meetings
    • Agresta and SOS on list strategy; TPP etc
    • Agresta runs pro scouting (this means AFL and state leagues?)
    • Take a 3-5 year out timeframe re list management/TPP
    • List managers in open talks with team recruiters; ie if they were thinking of trading x pick, they run it by recruiters to see what they had planned
    • Future of scouting? Data analytics. We have a data and research crew that we worth together (with?). Spent some time with head of Seattle Seahawks research
    • Live trading: would be nice to be able to trade 2 years in advance. Comfortable with trading players on draft night. Will get there eventually. Pre/mid season trade period; still a long way off, but will happen eventually. Will need restrictions.
  • Team/list
    • Looking out 5 years, have a good spine locked away, depth in midfield. Lots of natural growth. Have put lots of games into kids. Don’t think we NEED to nail a Shiel/Cogs type in order to make the next step and then make it easier to recruit.
    • Russell been a huge influence on entire group.
  • Players
    • Walsh: club was always set on Sam as #1 pick. Didn’t actively seek to trade #1 pick, but didn’t rule out trading it. Walsh was nervy at 2018 combine interview; first and last time seen Sam flustered. Couldn’t have expected his 2018. Never seen anything like him in terms of ready to go. Hard to pick flaws, important that he copes with times if/when he isn’t performing at his peak.
    • Stocker trade: Liam was one of a number of players rated really highly. Had reached out to a few clubs in case a player was still available. Turned out as a win/win for both clubs. REALLY happy with how Stocker is progressing (adding HBF ability). Think Stocker would be right up there in 2019 draft. Stocker is a confident lad, but didn’t factor that into ‘would he be able to handle the scrutinty’ from pick swap.
    • BSOS: he’s had a really good year. Trying to find his feet early in the year as young KPP. He’s added spark to the club, a great character. Made good progress. Shown some form up forward.
    • Gibbo: Went into ND and RD 2018 with plan to keep spot open. Really happy with Gibbo’s output. Just as excited about Cottrell.
    • ‘Hidden gem’ on the list? really excited about TDK. Going to take time. He’s a ruckman (didn’t hesitate).
    • LOB flourished in second half, after struggling in first half.
    • Dow: last few weeks we saw the real Paddy Dow
    • Seen growth in SPS (HBF) and Fisher (HFF) in 2nd half of year. Were confident Samo would have a good year, completed majority of pre-season. In really good shape.
    • Cripps: great person, great leader. Helps having him to build around. Helps as part of the sell to other clubs. Been great for culture of the club.
  • Draft
    • 2019 draft pool: lacks top end tall talent, has a lot of talent across the rounds. Really good depth. Depth in rucks (particularly notable), midfield.
    • Settled on the pool of players to go in the draft, but not order yet. Still need interviews and combine.
    • Combine: full-on process, hectic couple of days. Focus on how players cope with it
    • Important to involve Teague (coach) in recruitment, so everyone is on the same page. Teague will be there at the combine, sitting in on interviews. Keen to be involved, but respects recruiters’ expertise
    • What does Agresta look for? How competitive they are. All the kids are skilled, but competitiveness the key (not just contested ball, but things like LOB’s running)
    • Younger brothers (Dow, TDK): Saw them when Vic Country visited. Would be nice to see them play together at some stage. Both talented, but a bit inconsistent. Henry Walsh is 203cm.
  • Targets:
    • Will keep pick 8? Long way to go. Want to improve the list, however we can. Draft, FA, trade. (Me reading between the lines, it’s going to be traded).
    • We have been linked to everyone….haha
    • No Cogs doesn’t change the situation. He’s a star but you move on really quickly. We had no idea how it would turn out.
    • Recruit wishlist: Didn’t bite on what kind players looking for. Laughed about how Cain Liddle spoke of our desire to recruit a small fwd. When pushed, said we would just want good players. Doesn’t really matter where. Did say multiple times that we love where our spine is at; so assume no big play for more KPP. Always consider age, but needs & requirements more important than age consideration at the moment.
    • Re Papley & Betts: not going to discuss other players, especially contracted ones.
    • Martin: met with him this week? Not entirely correct. Have met with him. Planning to meet with him again.
    • How we pitch players: it varies player to player
(WAY)TL;DR - Mick seems to a personable and professional fella. The club loves where it's at, at the moment. Lots of young talent, natural upside, but always looking to add talent wherever we can. Club genuinely open to whatever strategy can improve us.
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LEGENDDDDDDD
 

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BennyGFunk said:
What do we make of this? Crows management just bluffing as usual?
7news.com.au

Crows boss reveals Eddie Betts plan

The 32-year-old is contracted at Adelaide for next season but rival clubs including Gold Coast and Carlton are understood to be circling.
7news.com.au 7news.com.au
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The Crows have been nothing but transparent in the last couple of years.

Clubs undergoing external AND internal reviews rarely have player retention issues.

No way would a club on the slide whose best 22 is 50% aged 30+ try to dump an expensive veteran....

:rolleyes:
 
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