Conspiracy Theory Jim Morrison Fake Death

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from ThunkaHunka ....

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Anyone not blind will realize that "Bill Loyer"is , in fact , the not-so-gracefully but not-so-tragically aged Jim Morrison, living at his isolated ranch in the Oregon desert.


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Check out Jim Morrison's school boy photo on the left, compared to later year photos. (that is the same Jim Morrison in his fifties,
far right.) Its the same person. His right eye is larger. Same tilt to the head, same facial expression. Everything.

These are pretty clearly all the same person

It is obviously the same man. Morrison's death was faked alongside other 'hippies' fake deaths , and other fake news incidents , as part of Operation Chaos. Operation Chaos was staged to make life in America as a 'peace activist' seem as chaotic and morally bereft as the Vietnam War itself. Thereby discrediting the peace movement. The rocker hippies were dying off faster than the boys being sent over to Vietnam. Or so we were told by our lying media.

See this video for background on the Bill Loyer story:




see these links

The '27 Club' rocker deaths were faked:

http://letsrollforums.com//27-club-rocker-deaths-t31541.html?t=31541&highlight=manson+morrison

also:

http://letsrollforums.com//charles-manson-jim-morrison-t31859.html?t=31859&highlight=manson+morrison

 

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One thing "for" Jim Morrison still being alive, was around about a week or so after Jim Morrison's death, a person came into the Bank of America branch where Jim Morrison's account was held, and withdrew the entire sum of money in the account and had it closed.

I'll have to look into Bill Loyer videos and see if there's any where he talks and moves, to better compare.

 

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Seems fake to me. Cash grab by Gerald Pitts.

 

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lol, he aint Jim Morrison (his voice) plus there are many pictures of Loyer that totally do not resemble Morrison (eyebrows/eyes/cheeks)

 

[HahnPremium]

Fun thread.

 

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Tho this video seems to help the case

 

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"Not a great quote but you know........."
*Highlights gibberish for 60 seconds as possible cause and correlation.*

 

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[HahnPremium]

Tho this video seems to help the case

0.58 mark.
"he found out that he was jim morrison of the doors. So ive been talking to this guy for years and investigating.."
LOL. Years. Maybe try chinese water torture to get your "source" divulging the info a bit quicker.

 

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Total bull shit, Loyer is a Latino, once in jail, con man, has about 6 kids, there was once even a newspaper report on him back in the late 80s where he was living out of his car. The man is a fraud, same with David Logan, Gerald Pitts and this JLizard nut who is on just about every Jim Morrison forum touting the con.

How did he go from living out of his car, in jail and having 6 kids to owning a substantially sized ranch doing hobby horse breeding? It’s a legitimate question, it just seems odd. I don’t know either way, just open, but to be honest I don’t have much of a desire to find out much more about it.

What a load.JLizard and David Logan have be been promoting this con for years now. And they’ve been found out. William Loyer is nothing more than a pawn in the game. He is NOT Jim Morrison. I now met the man and by far he’s too short, too ugly, has darker eyes and nothing at all like the late great Door’s singer/poet JM. Give me a break Lizardman, you’re a snake oil salesman.

By the way, the highmountainrogue.com website is no longer up. You’ve been outed, David Logan, and your conman cohort, JLIzard. This rests the game. Give it up Lizard, you and Logan have been sussed out into the open so you’re running for the hills. No one is interested in this fraud anymore. Leave the (mortal) JM to rest in peace as well with the music. You can no longer profit of them. Fare well.

 

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0.58 mark.
"he found out that he was jim morrison of the doors. So ive been talking to this guy for years and investigating.."
LOL. Years. Maybe try chinese water torture to get your "source" divulging the info a bit quicker.

Oh I don't believe. But part of researching entails some degree of withholding conclusive judgment, pawing over more evidence or claims. But, I don't believe as my default stance.

 

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Jim Morrison was a beloved rocker and the lead singer of The Doors. He was also sadly a member of the 27 Club. Although the official cause of death was listed as congestive heart failure, many questions still remain about the mysterious circumstances surrounding Jim Morrison’s death.

Morrison’s downfall began at a 1969 concert in Florida. There, he was accused of exposing his genitals in front of the audience. Afterward, he was convicted of indecent exposure and profanity, leading many promoters to cancel shows for the band.

Then, with his appeal pending and in the midst of personal and legal troubles, Morrison moved to Paris in March of 1971 with his girlfriend, Pamela Courson. While in Paris, it’s said that the Door’s frontman gained so much weight that he had become unrecognizable, leading many to believe that his health was in danger.

The two rented an apartment at 17 rue Beautreillis. In the early morning of July 3, 1971, he was found dead in the bathroom of that apartment. Courson called the authorities, but they arrived too late to revive him. He was declared dead of heart failure brought on by heroin use.

However, not everyone agrees with the official version of the events. Morrison was known for taking drugs and drinking excessively, so most accounts agree that drugs played a role in his death.


The most widely accepted account of Jim Morrison’s death is that he and Courson had spent the night together listening to records. They snorted heroin together since Morrison was known to be afraid of needles.

The brand of heroin was particularly strong, and Morrison began to react badly to it. He was brought to the bathroom for a bath of warm water, which is said to help revive people suffering from heroin overdoses. However, it failed to help Morrison.

Some others, including Sam Bernett, the club manager and friend of Morrison’s, claim that he actually died in the bathroom of the Rock & Roll Circus club, a place he often visited during his time in Paris. He showed up the night before his death looking to buy heroin. After he had acquired it, he went into the bathroom and never came out.

“When we found him dead, he had a little foam on his nose, and some blood too, and the doctor said, ‘That must be an overdose of heroin,'” Bernett said of the incident.

He was found dead on the toilet from an apparent overdose due to snorting bad heroin. The dealers who sold him the drugs wanted to cover up the death, so, insisting he was only unconscious, they brought him back to his apartment where they placed him in the bathtub. He was found dead by Courson the next morning.

Then there’s singer Marianne Faithfull’s story. According to her, a former ex-boyfriend and drug dealer by the name of Jean de Breiteuil is responsible for Jim Morrison’s death. In her version of the event, the two had stopped by the frontman’s apartment to drop off some drugs. However, the heroin was too strong and it ended up killing him.

“I mean I’m sure it was an accident. Poor bastard. The smack was too strong? Yeah. And he died,” she said.

As no autopsy was ever performed, crazier theories suggest that Jim Morrison faked his own death. Some suggest that he’s living in New York City, reciting poetry. Others believe that he moved to Oregon and opened up the Jim Morrison Sanctuary ranch under the name of Bill Loyer.

 

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Oh I don't believe. But part of researching entails some degree of withholding conclusive judgment, pawing over more evidence or claims. But, I don't believe as my default stance.

All good gg. You know me. I never judge. Open mind is good.
Even if those tubes were biased and flawed. Why not entertain the thought.
A bit of mental gymnastics while indulging in loved subject matter can never be a bad thing.

 

[ThunkaHunka]

One thing "for" Jim Morrison still being alive, was around about a week or so after Jim Morrison's death, a person came into the Bank of America branch where Jim Morrison's account was held, and withdrew the entire sum of money in the account and had it closed.

I'll have to look into Bill Loyer videos and see if there's any where he talks and moves, to better compare.

All the circumstances around it seem fake. There was essentially no funeral. This for a famous man mourned by many...
from a prominent military family....
and no funeral.
And no autopsy performed. And why would his family arrange to have him buried in France?
Of all places, France? It doesn't make sense. Would you want your son quietly buried in a foreign nation
with no funeral and no autopsy? Especially given that his father knew the fathers of Abigail Folger,
(Peter Folger) and Sharon Tate (Colonel Paul James Tate) who had purportedly just died recently at the
hands of the Manson family. Jim Morrison and his family personally knew the entire elite of Hollywood
and the elite of the U.S. Navy. There surely would have been family intervention to have Morrison buried near his
family in California.

 

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Gary James' Interview With A Man Who Believes That Jim Morrison Is Alive, John Ceperich

remembering 1950s, 1960s, 1970s rock and roll

www.classicbands.com

Snippet....obviously they bombarded Manzarek with letters and that vision of Ray saying "apparently he's a cowboy in Oregon" is ONLY because THEY sent letters to him claiming he was Jim. NOT Ray knowing beforehand.

Q - Did Jim's family know he faked his death? Did the other three Doors know he faked his death? Ray Manzarek often gave vague answers about that. He seemed to keep the door open, so to speak. I always thought it's because of the money. The very idea that Jim is alive would increase sales of records and CDs.

A - It's really all about money. If they didn't have Jim dying they might just be very average people. They're living the American dream. They're legends. They get to do what they love, and they got a good alibi because Jim was probably the hardest person in the world to work with. When he got drunk, he got moody. He was ridiculous. So they probably justified it like that. But Jim and Marsha definitely tried to contact The Doors and they would never get anywhere with that. Gerald (Pitts), if he sent a letter to The Doors, certified mail, it'd get returned. If he sent it not certified where they didn't have to sign off of it, they would accept it. They'd never write back, but they would accept it. There's a video where he's asked if Jim is still alive and he smokes a cigarette and says, "Haven't you heard? Yeah. He's a cowboy out in Oregon." I imagine there's a lot of people out there who say "I'm Jim Morrison." They're fakers. Whether it be to get money or to be funny or whatever reason, but this is something we've been working on for about ten, fifteen years. The same guy. Wife's a doctor. Professional letters. Everything's professional. No serious response. How is that possible?

 

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All the circumstances around it seem fake. There was essentially no funeral. This for a famous man mourned by many...
from a prominent military family....
and no funeral.
And no autopsy performed. And why would his family arrange to have him buried in France?
Of all places, France? It doesn't make sense. Would you want your son quietly buried in a foreign nation
with no funeral and no autopsy? Especially given that his father knew the fathers of Abigail Folger,
(Peter Folger) and Sharon Tate (Colonel Paul James Tate) who had purportedly just died recently at the
hands of the Manson family. Jim Morrison and his family personally knew the entire elite of Hollywood
and the elite of the U.S. Navy. There surely would have been family intervention to have Morrison buried near his
family in California.

There is no doubt that the circumstances surrounding his death are VERY suspicious. And I do not discount that it's possible he faked his own death. But I do not believe whatsoever that either the homeless guy in New York or the cowboy in Oregon are Jim Morrison. Bill Loyer looks nothing like him when you see many other photos of him. Plus, there was such a publicity stunt around it, trying to make money off it, selling DVDs etc, behind the whole Bill Loyer claim, that it further dents Pitts' claims.

No autopsy. The doctor never once rest of his life answered questions about it. Six days before the announcement of his death (especially in conjunction with the fact that about a week after his announced death someone walked into the Bank of American branch in New York (where Jim had an account) and withdraw all the money and closed the account. Morrison was smart enough to be able to do it. His father had connections. The whole manner of how there was no autopsy, only two people saw his body, only four people at his funeral....these things prove that his father had connections that such things could be done. However, there's possibly a simple explanation....perhaps just the shame around the incident for the family, that he died of heroin, and THAT was the big conspiracy there, to cover up the heroin death?

Granted also the Miami trial and prison time looming another good reason for the fake death.

I believe it's very possible he DID fake his death, but he definitely isn't that hobo in NY or Bill Loyer. And it's quite likely he really did attain an anonymous life and eventually died 1-40 years after Paris, but whatever identity he assumed, whomever really knows hasn't let it out yet.

 

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at the time - 1971 - it would have been a simpler process to fake a death, travel without much consequence, and re-invent one's self into almost anything or anyone. So, on that level, a faked JM death has plausibility.
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Fast forward to Pitt's claims - the "admission" by Loyer of who he really is (or was) - but then, after what I would call a "bombshell" admission - we get nothing but genralities and vague references - in a time when specific verification can happen with various test's of our day -- DNA, fingerprints, voice matching, etc.

 

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Bill was supposed go be interviewed by Te Zims but he didn't show up to the schedule event. So instead a movie was made interviewing Pitts, his son and his neighbors.
He couldn't be bothered to show up due to his busy day of... farming? So instead contacts you to keep fighting the good fight for him? Um, sorry, but none of what you are saying makes any logical sense.

Look, contract or not, if JM is alive he could walk into any local broadcasting station and give an interview. They would LOVE to put that story on the air and scoop every one else. This isn't rocket science.

 

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not related, but interesting...

I had a cousin who worked in a coroners office in southern California who insisted Bud Abbott faked his death in 1974. He said Abbott actually died in 1978 and that's how he found out about it. An investigation revealed Abbott had a life insurance policy that had an age cap of 80 years old. Abbott had been battling prostate cancer since 1972, but his prognosis was allegedly fair. Abbott feared that if he lived past 80 his family would not get the 500K his policy was worth. So with the help of a family friend doctor he faked his death. Being in his late 70's and having had cancer nobody questioned the death.

I have found nothing about this ridiculous story online. And I couldn't question my cousin on it again if I wanted to. He was killed in a car accident in 1983.

 

[ThunkaHunka]

I would not dismiss the Bill Loyer thing that lightly , given the photo evidence showing that it appears
to be him. If so, then the truth was suppressed by the mainstream media. And if his entire death had
been part of Operation Chaos, then there could have been a de facto 'National Security' media ban on
publishing the Bill Loyer news as it emerged. In other words, methodically suppressed by the CIA/NSA.

And lets assume for a moment that the story of Bill Loyer was true, and was suppressed.
That means no media coverage, virtally no prominent reaction
to it from anywhere. Which to the untrained eye would appear to confirm that it was fraudulent.
In a very superficial way.
The term for it is 'normalcy bias'. Everyone assumes that this is a normal situation. Nothing but a purportedly dead
rock star, and a group of people who are claiming that he is still alive. And a fair , unbiased public rejecting
it.
No one mentions that there could have been much more involved in it. Or Morrison's connections to military intelligence
and Operation Chaos.
Morrison spoke Spanish and traveled frequently from California to Mexico.

 

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His freaking finger prints would be enough to conclusively show that he's the real Jim Morrison!

If only there were some way to obtain the real Jim Morrison's fingerprints ( Amazon product ASIN B002YADI7G)! What a shame there's no reason for them to be on record (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jim_Morrison_mug_shot.jpg).

The funniest part of this whole preposterous story is the implication that Krieger and Manzarek are in on the conspiracy. Ray Manzarek, no disrespect intended, is one of the biggest hucksters in rock 'n' roll, who has been milking the Morrison legend for everything it's worth for lo these many years. If Morrison turned out to be alive, Manzarek would jump over his own grandmother's grave to get back onstage with him and be part of the biggest resurrection story since Jesus.

 

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Look, contract or not, if JM is alive he could walk into any local broadcasting station and give an interview. They would LOVE to put that story on the air and scoop every one else

Re: " If Jim Morrison is alive he could walk into any local broadcasting station and give an interview."


Says who? If Jim Morrison is operating under an agreement with military intelligence and is sworn to honor
an agreement that under no circumstances is he permitted to ever again appear in public as Jim Morrison...
then ...no public interviews.
Could it be a situation where Morrison grew fed up with the arrangements and HATED having faked his death,
and hated the nihilistic culture surrounding his deception?

Hated having been part of creating the modern-day,
social-engineering, state-sanctioned insanity which we (and he) live under today?

So could it be plausible that they (he and his friends) cooked up a way to renege on the agreement by chewing
at its edges a bit? In other words...careful not to directly violate the terms of a written and signed agreement,
while trying to find ways around it.

 

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Re: " If Jim Morrison is alive he could walk into any local broadcasting station and give an interview."


Says who? If Jim Morrison is operating under an agreement with military intelligence and is sworn to honor
an agreement that under no circumstances is he permitted to ever again appear in public as Jim Morrison...
then ...no public interviews.
Could it be a situation where Morrison grew fed up with the arrangements and HATED having faked his death,
and hated the nihilistic culture surrounding his deception? Hated having been part of creating the modern-day,
social-engineering, state-sanctioned insanity we (and he) live under today?

So could it be plausible that they (he and his friends) cooked up a way to renege on the agreement by chewing
at its edges a bit? In other words...careful not to directly violate the terms of a written and signed agreement,
while trying to find ways around it.

Bill Loyer is/was supposedly trying to get the word out he's Jim Morrison.
He refused live interviews, fingerprint and DNA testing, and instead it was Pitts/Logan doing all the publicity for it, online, selling DVDs, and with SCANT evidence of any kind.

Bill Loyer is not Jim Morrison.

If he was, and given he was keen on breaking the news he's alive, he'd walk into any radio station and do an interview, sell the rights to the story to a TV network, would simply do a fingerprint analysis at any local police station.

Instead...the whole Loyer story is a scam perpetrated by Pitts/Logan.

 

[ThunkaHunka]

What is that behind Jim Morrison on his fireplace mantle?

that appears to be a Native indian mandela, used in their spiritual rituals

Morrison was and is obsessed with native indian spirituality and rituals

What led to it was his having witnessed, as a child , a highway motor accident and seen one of the dead victims, a native indian.

this is probably the true origin of Jim Morrison's 'Lizard King' alter ego:

Quote:

http://www.legendsofamerica.com/az-legends.html Horned Toad and Giants The Moquis have a legend that, long ago, when the principal mesa that they occupy was higher than it is now, and when they owned all the country from the mountains to the great river, giants came out of the west and troubled them, going so far as to dine on Moquis. It was hard to get away, for the monsters could see all over the country from the tops of the mesas. The king of the tribe offered the handsomest woman in his country and a thousand horses to any man who would deliver his people from these giants. This king was eaten like the rest, and the citizens declined to elect another, because they were beginning to lose faith in kings. Still, there was one young brave whose single thought was how to defeat the giants and save his people. As he was walking down the mesa he saw a lizard, of the kind commonly known as a horned toad, lying under a rock in pain. He rolled the stone away and was passing on, when a voice, that seemed to come out of the earth, but that really came from the toad, asked him if he wished to destroy the giants. He desired nothing so much. "Then take my horned crest for a helmet." Lolomi -- that was the name of him -- did as he was bid, and found that in a moment the crest had swelled and covered his head so thickly that no club could break through it. "Now take my breastplate," continued the toad. And though it would not have covered the Indian's thumb-nail, when he put it on it so increased in bulk that it corseleted his body and no arrow could pierce it. "Now take the scales from my eyes," commanded the toad, and when he had done so Lolomi, felt as light as a feather. "Go up and wait. When you see a giant, go toward him, looking in his eyes, and he will walk backward. Walk around him until he has his back to a precipice, then advance. He will back away until he reaches the edge of the mesa, when he will fall off and be killed." Lolomi obeyed these instructions, for presently a giant loomed in the distance and came striding across the plains half a mile at a step. As he drew near he flung a spear, but it glanced from the Indian's armor like hail from a rock. Then an arrow followed, and was turned. At this, the giant lost courage, for he fancied that Lolomi was a spirit. Fearing a blow if he turned, he kept his face toward Lolomi, who maneuvered so skillfully that when he had the giant's back to the edge of a cliff he sprang at him, and the giant, with a yell of alarm, fell and broke his bones on the rocks below. So Lolomi killed many giants, because they all walked back before him, and after they had fallen the people heaped rocks on their bodies. To this day, the place is known as "the Giants' Fall." Then the tribe made Lolomi king and gave him the most beautiful damsel for a wife. As he was the best king they ever had, they treasured his memory after he was dead, and used his name as a term of greeting, so that "Lolomi" is a word of welcome, and will be until the giants come again.

'There's a killer on the road. His brain is squirmin' like a toad.'
-Jim Morrison

In this context, revisiting that line is fascinating, because perhaps Jim Morrison in fact considered himself the embodiment of the Moquis lizard of legend, which is the horned toad.

In the legend, a human takes on the protective power of the lizard, and uses his invulnerability to kill many people. Jim Morrison was a key part of the psy-op which enabled the U.S. Army to draft and kill many (American) people who once invaded and lived in the very land which is in the legend (Arizona/New Mexico). Morrison also played the part of a serial killing hitchhiker in a video and song of his own creation, filmed and set in....the Mojave Desert in Arizona.

Jim Morrison may have reached for native spirituality in justifying his own actions. He and Manson literally played the role of a hippie 'killer' , to help discredit 'peacenik' poseurs who lived in a land which they themselves (their lineage) once invaded. So how 'peaceful' is that?

So Jim Morrison took on the persona of Lolomi, the lizard king, who could drive the invaders out. An attempt to create an almost organic, biological rejection of the peace activists and ejection from the land ?

 

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I would not dismiss the Bill Loyer thing that lightly , given the photo evidence showing that it appears
to be him. If so, then the truth was suppressed by the mainstream media. And if his entire death had
been part of Operation Chaos, then there could have been a de facto 'National Security' media ban on
publishing the Bill Loyer news as it emerged. In other words, methodically suppressed by the CIA/NSA.

And lets assume for a moment that the story of Bill Loyer was true, and was suppressed.
That means no media coverage, virtally no prominent reaction
to it from anywhere. Which to the untrained eye would appear to confirm that it was fraudulent.
In a very superficial way.
The term for it is 'normalcy bias'. Everyone assumes that this is a normal situation. Nothing but a purportedly dead
rock star, and a group of people who are claiming that he is still alive. And a fair , unbiased public rejecting
it.
No one mentions that there could have been much more involved in it. Or Morrison's connections to military intelligence
and Operation Chaos.
Morrison spoke Spanish and traveled frequently from California to Mexico.

Media supression!!! Methodically (lol) supressed by CIA/NSA?

I would not dismiss the Bill Loyer thing that lightly , given the photo evidence showing that it appears
to be him. If so, then the truth was suppressed by the mainstream media. And if his entire death had
been part of Operation Chaos, then there could have been a de facto 'National Security' media ban on
publishing the Bill Loyer news as it emerged. In other words, methodically suppressed by the CIA/NSA

Solid reasoning. Impressive leaps. Conspiracy Theorist 101.
Good stuff!!!!