Rumour GFC 2019 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists.

[MelbCat]

Hill for Kelly? [emoji848] Would we be able to afford Hill?
Would it be a straight swap? Or would we like something on top?

 

[Reppie]

So we are looking at Goldstein...almost due for old age pension yet we don't even play one ruckman on our list.
Can't make this sh1t up.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I understand that viewpoint. I just look at us next year with a banged up Selwood, Hawkins a year older again, Ablett and Taylor likely retired and Kelly almost certainly gone and ask whether we will be better in 2020 than 2019? I really doubt it. Improvement you’d hope will come from Clark, Narkle, Constable, Miers etc but I don’t think it will be enough to make us a flag contender. Kelly’s loss will be massive.

How can you know Kelly's loss will be massive without knowing what we get for him, should he leave? We turned Motlop into Ablett, and funnily enough Tim Kelly.
Taylor will be less of a loss, as great as he still is. If he retires just offer a 2-3 year deal to Henderson who has been good when he's come in this year.
Ablett will be more of a loss than Kelly. We lose him for nothing yet have to replace him, we get something back for Kelly should he go and midfielders are a dime a dozen. Wells struggles recruiting goal kickers.

 

[Baudolino]

I understand that viewpoint. I just look at us next year with a banged up Selwood, Hawkins a year older again, Ablett and Taylor likely retired and Kelly almost certainly gone and ask whether we will be better in 2020 than 2019? I really doubt it. Improvement you’d hope will come from Clark, Narkle, Constable, Miers etc but I don’t think it will be enough to make us a flag contender. Kelly’s loss will be massive.

I get where you're coming from. No doubt it's going to be tough, for all the reasons you mentioned, but when is it ever *not* tough? I share some of your skepticism, but then again, I was skeptical we would even make top eight this season (as most people were), and yet we ended up finishing top of the ladder.

 

[Baudolino]

Ablett will be more of a loss than Kelly. We lose him for nothing yet have to replace him, we get something back for Kelly should he go and midfielders are a dime a dozen. Wells struggles recruiting goal kickers.

Inclined to agree that this will be the bigger loss than Kelly, hence why we should be doing everything we can to convince GAJ to play on again. Interestingly enough we could probably cope better with Selwood retiring than Ablett retiring, despite the latter being 4 years older than the former (not that Selwood will retire, but you get my point).

33 goals and 20 assists is a lot to replace.

 

[Larry Donohue]

I understand that viewpoint. I just look at us next year with a banged up Selwood, Hawkins a year older again, Ablett and Taylor likely retired and Kelly almost certainly gone and ask whether we will be better in 2020 than 2019? I really doubt it. Improvement you’d hope will come from Clark, Narkle, Constable, Miers etc but I don’t think it will be enough to make us a flag contender. Kelly’s loss will be massive.

O'Connor Blicavs Kolo
Stewart Henderson Henry
Clark Higgins Duncan
Dahlhaus Hawkins Cockatoo
Miers Ratagolea Rohan
Goldstein Dangerfield Parfitt
I/C from Selwood Steven Constable Narkle Stanley Menegola Guthrie Atkins Tuohy Fogarty Kreuger Brownless Bews Fort Parsons Zuthrie Simpson Any players we get via kelly trade, 1st round pick. Not so bad really

 

[Mahlepi]

we need to alternate playing ablett and selwood next year
the afl is the only sport in the word where the code feels the need for players to play every game
manging players better means they are fresh, and continue to play well

everyone who wants a rebuild have a look at melbourne - seriously do we want to be on this board after year after year of that shite

 

[Mahlepi]

O'Connor Blicavs Kolo
Stewart Henderson Henry
Clark Higgins Duncan
Dahlhaus Hawkins Cockatoo
Miers Ratagolea Rohan
Goldstein Dangerfield Parfitt
I/C from Selwood Steven Constable Narkle Stanley Menegola Guthrie Atkins Tuohy Fogarty Kreuger Brownless Bews Fort Parsons Zuthrie Simpson Any players we get via kelly trade, 1st round pick. Not so bad really

higgins no
we need outside run, this team lacks run and carry
we need to find a hill type, a ruckman, we need an angry mid (like one from the bellarine that ended up at the hawks)

 

[MelbCat]

we need to alternate playing ablett and selwood next year
the afl is the only sport in the word where the code feels the need for players to play every game
manging players better means they are fresh, and continue to play well

everyone who wants a rebuild have a look at melbourne - seriously do we want to be on this board after year after year of that s**t

Well said, back in the day resting key players was regarded as tanking. These days it's becoming acceptable.
Getting battered week in and out on the wrong side of 30 takes its toll.

 

[Baudolino]

Of the players raised by year of the cat and Art Vandelay_ :

Ablett Jnr: The most difficult to cover if he retires this year. There just isn't an internal solution. Dealing with this is my biggest worry in terms of potential areas of decline from 2019 to 2020. Very important IMO that he plays on.

Selwood: There's a fair argument to be made that we have already, at least in part, transitioned away from him. We managed to finish top of the ladder despite Selwood playing on the wing for a lot of the season and despite him having his worst statistical season since his debut year in 2007. He's still been useful but we're no longer reliant on him. Also, from an optimistic (perhaps overly-optimistic) standpoint, there's also the question of whether his form this year was actually a sign of decline or whether he was carrying injuries that limited his impact. I think we all suspect it was the former, but if it was the latter...who knows, maybe he enjoys a resurgence in 2020 ala Luke Hodge at Brisbane?

Hawkins: All Australian this year. The decline isn't far off, but as of yet there don't appear to be signs of it. Not unreasonable to think we can squeeze another 1 or 2 solid, B+ years out of him before making a play for Cameron or whoever else.

Taylor: Gun footballer. Okay, Henderson is a downgrade but not a *massive* downgrade. He's been pretty good when he's had to play this year. As far as ready-made internal solutions it's about as good as you're going to get, so long as we can convince Hendo to stay on.

Kelly: As Art Vandelay_ alluded to, we don't know yet how bad a loss this will be. Could be massive but may not be depending on what we get for him and what moves we make during the trade period.

 

[Jeff76]

Stevens or Higgins will cover the loss of TK plus another pre season into Narkle will help, we need a ruck and who that is I really don’t know. I’d take Ryder for a year.

 

[CatRiot]

higgins no
we need outside run, this team lacks run and carry
we need to find a hill type, a ruckman, we need an angry mid (like one from the bellarine that ended up at the hawks)

Outside run is a big issue, and could be compounded further if we lose Duncan to a major knee injury.
I'd expect Clark to play one wing next year, and we could add one or two in the draft - Stephenson and/or Sharp.
I think we will have to extend Cunico's contract, as I think he could do the job.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

How can you know Kelly's loss will be massive without knowing what we get for him, should he leave? We turned Motlop into Ablett, and funnily enough Tim Kelly.
Taylor will be less of a loss, as great as he still is. If he retires just offer a 2-3 year deal to Henderson who has been good when he's come in this year.
Ablett will be more of a loss than Kelly. We lose him for nothing yet have to replace him, we get something back for Kelly should he go and midfielders are a dime a dozen. Wells struggles recruiting goal kickers.

We were able to turn the picks into ready made players. Kelly was highlighted in many draft profiles in the lead up, Stewart was a clear standout in the 2s. This time though we're coming off a year where the state leagues have had their best players taken mid-season. Trade in requests are limited to Jack Steven who is not going to materially change anything and whose cost is unrelated to what we get for Tim regardless.

We'll get picks for Tim, one of which may be tradeable for a player next year, but this year we'll be replacing him with with draft picks who won't come on for a few years

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Of the players raised by year of the cat and Art Vandelay_ :

Ablett Jnr: The most difficult to cover if he retires this year. There just isn't an internal solution. Dealing with this is my biggest worry in terms of potential areas of decline from 2019 to 2020. Very important IMO that he plays on.

Selwood: There's a fair argument to be made that we have already, at least in part, transitioned away from him. We managed to finish top of the ladder despite Selwood playing on the wing for a lot of the season and despite him having his worst statistical season since his debut year in 2007. He's still been useful but we're no longer reliant on him. Also, from an optimistic (perhaps overly-optimistic) standpoint, there's also the question of whether his form this year was actually a sign of decline or whether he was carrying injuries that limited his impact. I think we all suspect it was the former, but if it was the latter...who knows, maybe he enjoys a resurgence in 2020 ala Luke Hodge at Brisbane?

Hawkins: All Australian this year. The decline isn't far off, but as of yet there don't appear to be signs of it. Not unreasonable to think we can squeeze another 1 or 2 solid, B+ years out of him before making a play for Cameron or whoever else.

Taylor: Gun footballer. Okay, Henderson is a downgrade but not a *massive* downgrade. He's been pretty good when he's had to play this year. As far as ready-made internal solutions it's about as good as you're going to get, so long as we can convince Hendo to stay on.

Kelly: As Art Vandelay_ alluded to, we don't know yet how bad a loss this will be. Could be massive but may not be depending on what we get for him and what moves we make during the trade period.

Would like to see a win- loss comparison with final margin against % time spent with Selwood on the wing

 

[dazbroncos]

We have more holes than that.

agreed.. so the making of more self inflicted ones is even more gauling.

Yet here we are.

Stanley is not the best ruckman in the league, but he's probably the best ruckman on our list and to healthy scratch him on a Rob Gell whim is ludicrious.

And to the dstablise the back 6 causing the self inflcited "2 Geelong defenders collide" stuff.... more gauling.

Go Catters

 

[Turbocat]

agreed.. so the making of more self inflicted ones is even more gauling.

Yet here we are.

Stanley is not the best ruckman in the league, but he's probably the best ruckman on our list and to healthy scratch him on a Rob Gell whim is ludicrious.

And to the dstablise the back 6 causing the self inflcited "2 Geelong defenders collide" stuff.... more gauling.

Go Catters

Exactly .. what was done was the equilient to moving Scarlett to the forwardline cause we were struggling up there... never would have happened. A coach who lives and dies on team d and a solid defence, he then move a key pillar based on his height and those in the opposition. When Blitz played in the ruck the other time he was replaced by Henderson... so under duress of finals player like Kolo or who ever was asked to do what he was not thru the year.

I think there is an argument to say Abbott might be the best technical ruck on our list... but lacks the athleticism Stanley can bring.

I honestly thought I was prepared for the outcome ..but it was more gauling then I was ready for ..Being proven right about "its wait till finals" made it not one jot easy to digest. And we here again.. when we have painted ourselves into a corner with selections ..and list choices. Not one obvious choice for ruck.. not one guy who is any better than not bad coverage while you best guy is out for a rest or a 2 week injury... and if Grundy is the best in the afl..NicNat has the capacity to bet better than best .. and we do not have anyone to really stop him.

 

[Larry Donohue]

higgins no
we need outside run, this team lacks run and carry
we need to find a hill type, a ruckman, we need an angry mid (like one from the bellarine that ended up at the hawks)

Or a cockatoo to come good.
Agreed.
Im just referring to what is likely according to noise

 

[Wojcinski]

Are we in danger of becoming North Melbourne with all these old top ups?

I'd rather just get rid of all the old guys and put time into guys like Krueger, Constable, Narkle, Miers, Clark, Henry, Fogarty, Parfitt, Sav.. This is our next generation core.

- Get 2 first rounders for TK
- GAJ, Scooter & HT to retire.
- Bews, Abbott, Z Smith, Parsons, Buzza & Hendo traded for late pick upgrades or delisted if OOC and no interest
- Atkins & Jones re-signed.

10 list spots available, take our five picks + the WCE first rounder to the draft.

Sign Goldstein as a FA as cover until we can find a future ruckman and maybe look at a project rookie.

Go into 2020 with 38 on the list with a significantly younger side. We'll be shitter than we are but should be able to build a solid core foundation for the future. We do have some decent youth coming through.

 

[year of the cat]

Are we in danger of becoming North Melbourne with all these old top ups?

I'd rather just get rid of all the old guys and put time into guys like Krueger, Constable, Narkle, Miers, Clark, Henry, Fogarty, Parfitt, Sav.. This is our next generation core.

- Get 2 first rounders for TK
- GAJ, Scooter & HT to retire.
- Bews, Abbott, Z Smith, Parsons, Buzza & Hendo traded for late pick upgrades or delisted if OOC and no interest
- Atkins & Jones re-signed.

10 list spots available, take our five picks + the WCE first rounder to the draft.

Sign Goldstein as a FA as cover until we can find a future ruckman and maybe look at a project rookie.

Go into 2020 with 38 on the list with a significantly younger side. We'll be s**tter than we are but should be able to build a solid core foundation for the future. We do have some decent youth coming through.

I'm of exactly the same mindset.

 

[foxdog50]

Are we in danger of becoming North Melbourne with all these old top ups?

I'd rather just get rid of all the old guys and put time into guys like Krueger, Constable, Narkle, Miers, Clark, Henry, Fogarty, Parfitt, Sav.. This is our next generation core.

- Get 2 first rounders for TK
- GAJ, Scooter & HT to retire.
- Bews, Abbott, Z Smith, Parsons, Buzza & Hendo traded for late pick upgrades or delisted if OOC and no interest
- Atkins & Jones re-signed.

10 list spots available, take our five picks + the WCE first rounder to the draft.

Sign Goldstein as a FA as cover until we can find a future ruckman and maybe look at a project rookie.

Go into 2020 with 38 on the list with a significantly younger side. We'll be s**tter than we are but should be able to build a solid core foundation for the future. We do have some decent youth coming through.

But surely we need to go after Goldstein. As his a free agent as he will be our best ruck we have.
If his the only player we get this trade period I'd be happy.
Then draft the best young ruck from this year's draft and develop them in the VFL.

Months ago I'd want Jack Stevens, but after the story on him I'm not really interested in him.

 

[cats_09]

Are we in danger of becoming North Melbourne with all these old top ups?

I'd rather just get rid of all the old guys and put time into guys like Krueger, Constable, Narkle, Miers, Clark, Henry, Fogarty, Parfitt, Sav.. This is our next generation core.

- Get 2 first rounders for TK
- GAJ, Scooter & HT to retire.
- Bews, Abbott, Z Smith, Parsons, Buzza & Hendo traded for late pick upgrades or delisted if OOC and no interest
- Atkins & Jones re-signed.

10 list spots available, take our five picks + the WCE first rounder to the draft.

Sign Goldstein as a FA as cover until we can find a future ruckman and maybe look at a project rookie.

Go into 2020 with 38 on the list with a significantly younger side. We'll be s**tter than we are but should be able to build a solid core foundation for the future. We do have some decent youth coming through.

With the suggestion of Jones being re-signed, have you factored in him being elevated from the rookie list to the senior list?

And we also have Zuthrie & Simpson being elevated which means additional senior list spots already required before worrying about FA or trades coming into the team

 

[cynical]

Are we in danger of becoming North Melbourne with all these old top ups?

I'd rather just get rid of all the old guys and put time into guys like Krueger, Constable, Narkle, Miers, Clark, Henry, Fogarty, Parfitt, Sav.. This is our next generation core.

- Get 2 first rounders for TK
- GAJ, Scooter & HT to retire.
- Bews, Abbott, Z Smith, Parsons, Buzza & Hendo traded for late pick upgrades or delisted if OOC and no interest
- Atkins & Jones re-signed.

10 list spots available, take our five picks + the WCE first rounder to the draft.

Sign Goldstein as a FA as cover until we can find a future ruckman and maybe look at a project rookie.

Go into 2020 with 38 on the list with a significantly younger side. We'll be s**tter than we are but should be able to build a solid core foundation for the future. We do have some decent youth coming through.

we are already North

I'm happy with those changes but if Goldy comes Stanley probably goes. Stanley is a bit too good to be a backup. (I would be surprised if Goldy came to Geelong)

I'd let JJ go and keep Cunico for a year (although not really fussed)

would also be happy to shop around players like Kolo, Menegola and Guthrie

 

[cats_09]

For someone more knowledgeable or invested in the trades and FA things - I saw the following "proposed" 2020 team on Facebook and curious as to what others believe it would cost in terms of trade value & salary cap. I've bolded the traded in players

2020 team

FB blic Henry Whitfield
HB (C Stewart) Clark kolo
C danger Stevens constable
FOL Grundy Duncan narkle
HF sav Hawkins king
FF miers Cameron Rohan
I/C selwood Atkins parfitt dahlhaus
Eme fog cunicio O'Connor bews cocky

To give some perspective on the above; I'm pretty sure it was the same individual who wanted Cockatoo back in the senior team after half a VFL game and didn't handle the criticism of such suggestion very well

 

[MelbCat]

Are we in danger of becoming North Melbourne with all these old top ups?

I'd rather just get rid of all the old guys and put time into guys like Krueger, Constable, Narkle, Miers, Clark, Henry, Fogarty, Parfitt, Sav.. This is our next generation core.

- Get 2 first rounders for TK
- GAJ, Scooter & HT to retire.
- Bews, Abbott, Z Smith, Parsons, Buzza & Hendo traded for late pick upgrades or delisted if OOC and no interest
- Atkins & Jones re-signed.

10 list spots available, take our five picks + the WCE first rounder to the draft.

Sign Goldstein as a FA as cover until we can find a future ruckman and maybe look at a project rookie.

Go into 2020 with 38 on the list with a significantly younger side. We'll be s**tter than we are but should be able to build a solid core foundation for the future. We do have some decent youth coming through.

The only player I'd keep off your list is Hendo. Couldn't agree more with your suggestion.
No point with top ups when it takes a spot off a kid. Gain a Steven and loose a Constable is madness.

 

[catempire]

Are we in danger of becoming North Melbourne with all these old top ups?

I'd rather just get rid of all the old guys and put time into guys like Krueger, Constable, Narkle, Miers, Clark, Henry, Fogarty, Parfitt, Sav.. This is our next generation core.

- Get 2 first rounders for TK
- GAJ, Scooter & HT to retire.
- Bews, Abbott, Z Smith, Parsons, Buzza & Hendo traded for late pick upgrades or delisted if OOC and no interest
- Atkins & Jones re-signed.

10 list spots available, take our five picks + the WCE first rounder to the draft.

Sign Goldstein as a FA as cover until we can find a future ruckman and maybe look at a project rookie.

Go into 2020 with 38 on the list with a significantly younger side. We'll be s**tter than we are but should be able to build a solid core foundation for the future. We do have some decent youth coming through.

Excessive. There will be decent enough turnover without going this far. Probably 6-7 spots.