Scott Morrison - How Long? (Part 1 - Continued in Part 2)

[SBD Gonzalez]

lol.

"lol"

Do itemise the steps this hopeless joke of a government has taken to mitigate the dire economic impact of the drought.

lol indeed. The government loves to portray themselves as taking tough economic decisions but they run away from all the actual hard stuff that any real government would just knuckle down to. Morrison is basically a coward.

 

[Kram]

"lol"

Do itemise the steps this hopeless joke of a government has taken to mitigate the dire economic impact of the drought.

lol indeed. The government loves to portray themselves as taking tough economic decisions but they run away from all the actual hard stuff that any real government would just knuckle down to. Morrison is basically a coward.

Oh hello, it's Mr Robin Hood finally back.

They need to lift their game and have a real climate change policy but holding the dude responsible for some random drought, please lmao.

 

[Gough]

The standards Labor are held to in government are completely different to those the Coalition are held to. Abbott was lauded in opposition for opposing everything, if the ALP oppose something they're painted as unpatroitic wreckers, not on our side as the fat nonce would say.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Oh hello, it's Mr Robin Hood finally back.

They need to lift their game and have a real climate change policy but holding the dude responsible for some random drought, please lmao.

"Some random drought".

Drought has always been a feature of the Australia ecosystem, but by any measure it is becoming an increasingly dominant one.

This government, in power for six years now, has utterly failed to plan for that.

What's with the Robin Hood jibe?

Either you're for a fair go, equality, and justice for all, or you vote for this government of bullshitting entitled penisheads.

 

[cartwright]

"Some random drought".

Drought has always been a feature of the Australia ecosystem, but by any measure it is becoming an increasingly dominant one.

This government, in power for six years now, has utterly failed to plan for that.

What's with the Robin Hood jibe?

Either you're for a fair go, equality, and justice for all, or you vote for this government of bulls**tting entitled penisheads.

Ah, remember when that was a thing in this country.

 

[cartwright]

He's responsible for a drought?

Obviously his prayers didn't work.

 

[Gough]

I'm on the side of the bushfires this summer. Sadly it's come to the point where multiple people have to die for this government to do something about climate change. It didn't have to be like this but here we are.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The standards Labor are held to in government are completely different to those the Coalition are held to. Abbott was lauded in opposition for opposing everything, if the ALP oppose something they're painted as unpatroitic wreckers, not on our side as the fat nonce would say.

Too true, but that's no excuse for them to backtrack on fundamental issues of fairness, as they've just done on the (taxpayer-funded) manic amping up of privilege and entitlement that private school funding has morphed into.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long.1202865/

A kind of madness has infected the question of private school funding in the last two decades and it seems the Greens are the only ones who haven't completely taken leave of their senses.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Ah, remember when that was a thing in this country.

And, don't forget, so do most Australians. Only some electoral quirks that got these turds back in, by the skin of their teeth. ($60 million worth of anti-Labor lies from Clive Palmer didn't hurt).

This disgusting government is there with a massive one seat majority. One heart attack away from minority government.

 

[Number37]

In previous posts regarding the same issue, a proper property tax would be offset or partially offset against Austrian income tax.

Essentially hitting investors and particularly non Australian tax residents hardest.

So you want to tax the great Australian dream of owning your own home?

So a rich kid with family money who can afford to buy a house and pay the property tax but the poor kid with no family money who can hardly afford to buy a house as it is, is going to be slugged a tax?

Sounds very glass ceiling-y to me.

Aren't you against glass ceilings?

 

[Power Raid]

When there is a total absence of policy to mitigate it in the future, yes.

According to Curtin University programs seeking funding for CO2 on farm land, Australia has one of the best systems globally at $21 a ton.

I won’t know further detail until my return to Oz but are they lying?

 

[Power Raid]

So you want to tax the great Australian dream of owning your own home?

So a rich kid with family can afford to buy a house and pay the property tax but the poor kid with no family money who can hardly afford to buy a house as it is, is going to be slugged a tax?

Sounds very glass ceiling-y to me.

Aren't you against glass ceilings?

Firstly scrapping the transaction taxes (stamp duty), significantly reduces barriers to entry for low and ordinary income earners. It also removes inefficiency.

Second benefit of replacing with an annual rate, is you can more accurately tax properties based on real time valuations rather than a point in time. Thus marrying government upgrades to areas and valuations.

Third you can have different rates and rebates based on the owners circumstances being low income (before deductions), pensioner, owner occupier, investor, foreign, valuation and most importantly net wealth.

Wealth taxes will become increasingly important going forward and will not only create social equity but reduce income tax avoidance.



So no this removes glass ceilings rather than creates them.

 

[Number37]

Firstly scrapping the transaction taxes (stamp duty), significantly reduces barriers to entry for low and ordinary income earners. It also removes inefficiency.

Second benefit of replacing with an annual rate, is you can more accurately tax properties based on real time valuations rather than a point in time. Thus marrying government upgrades to areas and valuations.

Third you can have different rates and rebates based on the owners circumstances being low income (before deductions), pensioner, owner occupier, investor, foreign, valuation and most importantly net wealth.

Wealth taxes will become increasingly important going forward and will not only create social equity but reduce income tax avoidance.



So no this removes glass ceilings rather than creates them.

Why wouldn't you just skip all that mumbo jumbo and levy a wealth tax?
Introducing a wealth tax might reduce income tax avoidance but it would definitely INCREASE wealth tax avoidance. i.e. you would be left with the same problem.
Modelling of wealth taxes show wild fluctuations in its revenue yield depending on what is defined as wealth and/or what exemptions/rebates are included.

The money spent on such a hare-brained scheme would be better utilized on income tax avoidance.

 

[JackOutback]

Ah, remember when that was a thing in this country.

Most probably don't. Hasn't really been a thing since the '80s, even though people still like to claim the 'fair go Aussie' myth. Not as bad as the US, but a bit US-lite.

 

[Kram]

In Australia if you smart, hungry and hard working you can pretty much get where you want.

Heck, even if you are a bit lazy and of average intelligence like me you can at least still do ok.

People just love to whinge, make excuses and blame everyone else except themselves, especially on BF.

 

[its free real estate]

I'm on the side of the bushfires this summer. Sadly it's come to the point where multiple people have to die for this government to do something about climate change. It didn't have to be like this but here we are.

What a surprise, Gough wants people to die.

 

[Power Raid]

Why wouldn't you just skip all that mumbo jumbo and levy a wealth tax?
Introducing a wealth tax might reduce income tax avoidance but it would definitely INCREASE wealth tax avoidance. i.e. you would be left with the same problem.
Modelling of wealth taxes show wild fluctuations in its revenue yield depending on what is defined as wealth and/or what exemptions/rebates are included.

The money spent on such a hare-brained scheme would be better utilized on income tax avoidance.

Wealth taxes are extremely effective as assets not reported become property of the state. Just as assets left in a company that is wound up.

A property tax would be just one component of a greater wealth tax. The beauty is, like income tax it can cater for different asset classes.

And to hairbrained......wealth taxes have been instrumental in unwinding the class systems of the UK and Europe. Further, do we want tax systems that are efficient and effective or poorly designed systems like the failed mining tax, the failed labor CGT model, the failed labor franking credits and the failed negative gearing. Note Labor’s policies all fail as they favoured foreigners and the wealthy.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Most probably don't. Hasn't really been a thing since the '80s, even though people still like to claim the 'fair go Aussie' myth. Not as bad as the US, but a bit US-lite.

One thing I'll always give the right wingers credit for - they sure play the long game.

Slowly, slowly, over decades and decades, they have ratcheted societies round to thinking that their myopic, pitiless individualism is the natural way of things, and the only option. (While all the time loudly banging the national pride drum and pushing every cheap patriotic button within reach.)

This of course, is complete BS, as anyone who has travelled to some of the more civilised, prosperous, progressive countries in the world can attest.

Those of us who know that a tolerant, innovative social democracy is the best way, need to take a leaf out of their book.

 

[Gough]

What a surprise, Gough wants people to die.

Sadly it's going to take something like that for this government to take climate change seriously and it needs to happen soon.

 

[SSwans2011]

"Some random drought".

Drought has always been a feature of the Australia ecosystem, but by any measure it is becoming an increasingly dominant one.

This government, in power for six years now, has utterly failed to plan for that.

What's with the Robin Hood jibe?

Either you're for a fair go, equality, and justice for all, or you vote for this government of bulls**tting entitled penisheads.

Pretty sure I was called the same thing on here for showing social democrat traits hahaha.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Things are a bit quiet on the Oz Politics board overall so I'll just drop this here.

Top 10 tax to GDP ratios in Australia’s history:

2004-05 24.3 Howard

2005-06 24.3 Howard

2000-01 24.2 Howard

2002-03 24.0 Howard

2003-04 24.0 Howard

2006-07 23.8 Howard

2021-22 23.8 Morrison

2007-08 23.7 Howard

2020-21 23.5 Morrison

2019-20 23.3 Morrison

Source: Australian Government

 

[NSWCROW]

Nah just prefer to invest my money elsewhere bro

How about a bar ?..

 

[Kram]

How about a bar ?..

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[NSWCROW]

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Tenner on Chaz Mostert to win Bathurst
Tell 'em Crow sent ya

 

[DAlembert]

The standards Labor are held to in government are completely different to those the Coalition are held to. Abbott was lauded in opposition for opposing everything, if the ALP oppose something they're painted as unpatroitic wreckers, not on our side as the fat nonce would say.

That's rubbish Gough and you no it. Abbott was given the arse because of his "style" Shorten tried the same and he got rejected as well. Being a light weight did not help. The new Labor opposition are trying a new tact. I have seen many labor pollies on TV NOT playing the oppose everything game and it is actually quite refreshing. Except Chalmers and that F$%wit Burke who will never change. Politics evolves Goughy coz these buggers will do anything to get into power.