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I suspect the answer to this thread is no if rumours around us trying to get early in this year’s draft. That said, maybe it’s bullshit
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Yeah. Felt it was getting there towards the end of the season. Forward line was the biggest disappointment for 2019 but Mitchell Lewis and O’Brien started playing much better footy in the last few games which made us Hawk supporters happier.It was as much the way Hawthorn played as anything else. In their good wins they were all over the opposition, challenging them to get out of the back half. In working to extract the best from what he had, I felt Clarkson backed the team into a style corner. Late in the season they added scoring to the mix. If that can be sustained they will bounce back next year, but I'm still skeptical.
On a trivial note, the wooden spoon Hawks of 1965 conceded 1742 points (from 18 games). This year they scored 1742 points from 22 games. Yeah this is largely a function of modern footy, but from 1966 onwards Hawthorn have been the highest-scoring club (102.3 ppg), with the rest in a bunch under 100. They need to rediscover their attacking mojo to be a force again. I'm not sure they have the players right now to do it.
It was as much the way Hawthorn played as anything else. In their good wins they were all over the opposition, challenging them to get out of the back half. In working to extract the best from what he had, I felt Clarkson backed the team into a style corner. Late in the season they added scoring to the mix. If that can be sustained they will bounce back next year, but I'm still skeptical.
On a trivial note, the wooden spoon Hawks of 1965 conceded 1742 points (from 18 games). This year they scored 1742 points from 22 games. Yeah this is largely a function of modern footy, but from 1966 onwards Hawthorn have been the highest-scoring club (102.3 ppg), with the rest in a bunch under 100. They need to rediscover their attacking mojo to be a force again. I'm not sure they have the players right now to do it.
Midfield also started being more offensive and I suspect Wingard was a big part of this
However O'Brien and Lewis did start to show some promise in that area.
Well, I will give you one example.
Clarko trades Sam Mitchell to WCE, and Jordan Lewis to Melbourne, to make spaces to draft youth.
Yet, last year, Hawthorn traded out young defender Ryan Burton (who I rated as the cornerstone to your backline for the next decade) for Chad Wingard, who is much older.
It baffles me.
Carlton or Hawthorn?Hawks fans have resorted to arguing with Carlton fans about who's in a better place.
How the mighty have fallen.
the answers for you are already in this threadWho said this? Was it the pick 88 we got in return that made you make this stupid assumption? They were traded for cap space dude, allowing us to trade in established players like Mitchell, JOM, UImpey, Scrimshaw, Wingard etc
3 and a half years older. Not really that much of a difference, even if it does have nothing to do with anything.
Not suprised.
Just arguing for the sake of it nowWhat about players that are contracted beyond the age of 30? Like Breust and Gunston who signed in their 20s until they are 31 or 32? Surely if your agent is worth his salt he would be negotiating a contract extension when you are 28/29.
Lol. You've included Deledio who left at the end of 2016. Grigg was not a first rounder. Griffiths was not a first rounder. 4 of the remaining 7 will be 30 or older next year, suggesting that 3 years ago their careers were well past the half way point (unless they all do a Burgoyne).
Hawthorn have plenty of first rounders on the list, the main difference being we traded all but one of ours in. 4 of ours are 26 or younger - all traded in.
Prestia didn't move under free agency. Traded. Caddy didn't move under free agency. Traded. Nank didn't move under free agency. Traded. Nank an A grader. Lol.
You really are a numpty of the highest order, but your contributions to this thread augurs well for the Hawthorn football club. The last time you were this active in a Hawthorn related thread, was your infamous "Shane edwards is better than Cyril Rioli" thread. Hawthorn went on to grab the 3-peat that year, with Cyril winning the Norm smith, and finishing second in our best and fairest. Happy times ahead if your midas touch continues.
Lol. You've included Deledio who left at the end of 2016. Grigg was not a first rounder. Griffiths was not a first rounder. 4 of the remaining 7 will be 30 or older next year, suggesting that 3 years ago their careers were well past the half way point (unless they all do a Burgoyne).
Hawthorn have plenty of first rounders on the list, the main difference being we traded all but one of ours in. 4 of ours are 26 or younger - all traded in.
Prestia didn't move under free agency. Traded. Caddy didn't move under free agency. Traded. Nank didn't move under free agency. Traded. Nank an A grader. Lol.
You really are a numpty of the highest order, but your contributions to this thread augurs well for the Hawthorn football club. The last time you were this active in a Hawthorn related thread, was your infamous "Shane edwards is better than Cyril Rioli" thread. Hawthorn went on to grab the 3-peat that year, with Cyril winning the Norm smith, and finishing second in our best and fairest. Happy times ahead if your midas touch continues.
Did you see Shed's 3rd Q last Sat night? Blaisee's famous thread was prescient, no?Lol. You've included Deledio who left at the end of 2016. Grigg was not a first rounder. Griffiths was not a first rounder. 4 of the remaining 7 will be 30 or older next year, suggesting that 3 years ago their careers were well past the half way point (unless they all do a Burgoyne).
Hawthorn have plenty of first rounders on the list, the main difference being we traded all but one of ours in. 4 of ours are 26 or younger - all traded in.
Prestia didn't move under free agency. Traded. Caddy didn't move under free agency. Traded. Nank didn't move under free agency. Traded. Nank an A grader. Lol.
You really are a numpty of the highest order, but your contributions to this thread augurs well for the Hawthorn football club. The last time you were this active in a Hawthorn related thread, was your infamous "Shane edwards is better than Cyril Rioli" thread. Hawthorn went on to grab the 3-peat that year, with Cyril winning the Norm smith, and finishing second in our best and fairest. Happy times ahead if your midas touch continues.
Better then Cyril Rioli.... Pffffffft.Oh snap I remember that!
Just the one mate. Essendrug dopers, come smell the bullshit.Not sure what Essendon have to do with this. If you want to talk about us, you should do it on one of the 3 or 4 dedicated Essendon threads on the Hawthorn board.
O'Brien has shown glimpses for a long time. At 26yo in March he's approaching the crossroads.
Did you see Shed's 3rd Q last Sat night? Blaisee's famous thread was prescient, no?
There was a full stop
Richmond could actually attract A grade free agents. <---- Prestia , Caddy and Nank all came across
O'Brien has shown glimpses for a long time. At 26yo in March he's approaching the crossroads.
We all know he was confused, and that he meant those were free agents. Otherwise he was he actually talking about? (He mentions in a later post he forgot to mention Tom). He was talking 2016, and Richmond had attracted which A grade free agents at that point? The fact that he was equally confused about who your first round picks were backs up his general state of confusion.
Cyril is a class aboveFunny thing is, my Shane Edwards thread was spot on and you know it, thanks for bringing it up.,
Now that the distraction of the finals is over, can we get back to the key discussion on Hawks squandering draft picks on washed up players?
May have to close the threadWhat if the Hawks trade up for pick 2?