blackshadow
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He'd deserve 4 years too.Would be interesting to compare threads if Toby Greene did exactly what Rioli did in the same circumstances.
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He'd deserve 4 years too.Would be interesting to compare threads if Toby Greene did exactly what Rioli did in the same circumstances.
It's my opinion that the question needs to be asked of why it is that he actually did it. As I said, I'm going off the assumption that he had a blood test that had him completely clear of anything in his system. If that's the case then I just think some leniency should be shown, he didn't tamper with the test to avoid getting caught, he tampered with it because he thought providing a full cup was more important than anything else.Dead wrong.
Tampering with a doping test is every bit as serious, if not more serious than a positive test.
If the charge is sustained it will be a 4 year ban.
Blood tests can be clear much sooner from doping than a urine test, and some things are only detectable in the urine or vice versa. A clean blood test doesn't automatically clear you of cheating, thats why ASADA utilise both forms of testing.It's my opinion that the question needs to be asked of why it is that he actually did it. As I said, I'm going off the assumption that he had a blood test that had him completely clear of anything in his system. If that's the case then I just think some leniency should be shown, he didn't tamper with the test to avoid getting caught, he tampered with it because he thought providing a full cup was more important than anything else.
There needs to be a difference between deliberately trying to avoid a result and doing what ever it is that Willie did. (Again, assuming he was cleared with the blood test)
Which family he comes from is not a mitigating factor, and the AFL doesn’t hand out the penalties so I don’t know how they are going to get around the ASADA sanction.Rioli's an exciting player from a football royalty family, the product is better with him playing and as a result I fully expect the AFL to find a way around this to limit the time of his suspension.
There's no way he does 4 years and I am in no way defending his actions.
Re: jiggerypokery qua jiggerypokery at affal[sic] hq remember Gillon's inaugural address he spoke of process and system to inspire confidence in governing administration and the governing administration's methods... (doth protesting too hard? in itself was it concession they had f.u.c.k.e.d the pig ??? )I preferred Richard Ings when he was an awful tennis umpire and John McEnroe would harangue him
f'n Powerade or Staminade innitIn what world is diluting a sample with f*n gatorade important or logical?
Absolutely agree. I've noticed the narrative has already been set in motion that Willie is the victim. Simpson quoted as saying this 'thing that's happened to Willie', like it's external to him and he played no part in it.Blood tests can be clear much sooner from doping than a urine test, and some things are only detectable in the urine or vice versa. A clean blood test doesn't automatically clear you of cheating, thats why ASADA utilise both forms of testing.
Athletes are well aware of the testing protocol, why should some excuse he makes up get him a reduced time? In what world is diluting a sample with f*n gatorade important or logical?
He will get 4 years, and he deserves 4. If this was a chinese swimmer, tour de france cyclist or someone who wasn't a 'good bloke' like Toby Green people would want him given the full penalty
The one thing about drug users,is they know exactly how long it takes for the substance to be out of their urine.He panicked and did something stupid because of the fear he would be caught with weed in system, pretty simple
4 tah succour moms and Nab AuskickAbsolutely agree. I've noticed the narrative has already been set in motion that Willie is the victim. Simpson quoted as saying this 'thing that's happened to Willie', like it's external to him and he played no part in it.
He was so dehydrated and tired, just like every single person that's ever had to deliver an in comp sample. Not once before has anybody across the globe thought 'yeah, fu** it, gatorade should do the trick'
Life's tough, it's even tougher if your stupid.
It's crap and supporters and media alike are pushing a narrative because he's a nice guy. I don't care for his excuse, there is no logical justification.Absolutely agree. I've noticed the narrative has already been set in motion that Willie is the victim. Simpson quoted as saying this 'thing that's happened to Willie', like it's external to him and he played no part in it.
He was so dehydrated and tired, just like every single person that's ever had to deliver an in comp sample. Not once before has anybody across the globe thought 'yeah, fu** it, gatorade should do the trick'
Life's tough, it's even tougher if your stupid.
Lol do I have to answer that? HahaYou don't think Fremantle will ever win a premiership?
How is Sun Yang still competing then after he smashed his vials with a hammer when tested? I'd say 100% that's a case of avoiding a positive test but Rioli trying to avoid a positive by doing what he did... Really?? I think notBlood tests can be clear much sooner from doping than a urine test, and some things are only detectable in the urine or vice versa. A clean blood test doesn't automatically clear you of cheating, thats why ASADA utilise both forms of testing.
Athletes are well aware of the testing protocol, why should some excuse he makes up get him a reduced time? In what world is diluting a sample with f*n gatorade important or logical?
He will get 4 years, and he deserves 4. If this was a chinese swimmer, tour de france cyclist or someone who wasn't a 'good bloke' like Toby Green people would want him given the full penalty
If this was a chinese swimmer
If you are taking PEDs and have been caught out with a random test and you realise your career is over but you can still preserve your reputation.In what world is diluting a sample with f*n gatorade important or logical?
The Sun claim is that the athlete representatives informed Sun that the necessary qualifications, identification, and process by the testers were not followed. Once irregularities were identified by Sun’s team, his mother instructed the security attached to the swimming team to destroy the samples.How is Sun Yang still competing then after he smashed his vials with a hammer when tested? I'd say 100% that's a case of avoiding a positive test but Rioli trying to avoid a positive by doing what he did... Really?? I think not
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Ok thanks for that info, I didn't realise that, cheersThe Sun claim is that the athlete representatives informed Sun that the necessary qualifications, identification, and process by the testers were not followed. Once irregularities were identified by Sun’s team, his mother instructed the security attached to the swimming team to destroy the samples.
Sun was cleared by the first two investigations and subsequent hearings on the basis of procedural irregularities by the testers. His final case will he heard at CAS due to WADA appeal.
There are no reported procedural irregularities on behalf of the ASADA agents in the Rioli case. Hence, Sun could compete and Rioli could not.
How is Sun Yang still competing then after he smashed his vials with a hammer when tested? I'd say 100% that's a case of avoiding a positive test but Rioli trying to avoid a positive by doing what he did... Really?? I think not
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Thats why the Sun Yang case came to light?He'd have had it swept under the rug and gone on playing.
Thankfully he's not and whatever happens will happen.
Thats why the Sun Yang case came to light?
I agree that China is dodgy as hell, and many suspect rampant doping at Bejing in 2008, but my point still stands.
If a Chinese swimmer, or Tour cyclist got caught tampering with samples the Australian public would want a life ban (see ball tampering and the initial reaction for the Aus trio)
That's largely my point about narratives, the media is already in the corner of Willie reporting he couldn't pee as his excuse but not reporting the serious lack of protocol in Yang case.I dont think it's quite apples and apples...especially with the blood test story. The average punter seeing the details on the 6 o'clock news isnt going to know the intricacies of blood vs urine samples etc. All most people will see is a young indigenous kid who avoided a test and then tested clean anyway.
Not being able to pee vs smashing your samples with a hammer, big difference in perception there.
Not saying its right or wrong, that's what I think the average person is going to get...if they even see enough to form an opinion.
That's largely my point about narratives, the media is already in the corner of Willie reporting he couldn't pee as his excuse but not reporting the serious lack of protocol in Yang case.
Media reports stuff and members like Brownless say it was a harmless mistake that gets grabbed by fans and flip it to Willie being a victim
That's largely my point about narratives, the media is already in the corner of Willie reporting he couldn't pee as his excuse but not reporting the serious lack of protocol in Yang case.
If he was able to time his leaks we wouldn't be in this whole mess.That "leak" came out shortly after he retained legal representation.