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yeah, but that's not what you said. He can't do what he wants, as he's not a FA.Even though he has played some great footy over the years, his current value is probably not as high as some here think. I'm sure Geelong would like him, but they will only trade with us on his value to their senior team from 2020 on, as he's no walk up start and a question over his issues still remains.
Jack Steven has given us good service for years and has tasted little success at a low performing club- he should be allowed to do what he wants... he's earned it.
If you read it carefully, he’s actually saying he’s sure it will help .Not sure where you are going with this?
Being to close to friends and family would definitely help the situation.
Jack Steven has given us good service for years and has tasted little success at a low performing club- he should be allowed to do what he wants... he's earned it.
I don't think its a case of we want him gone but I think its been pretty clear internally what Jacks decision is about where he wants to play in 2020 I reckon that's been pretty clear to the club for a fair time so not unlike the Hill situation at Freo the club with the period of time to mull over the situation have already in part made plans for life without Jack at the club … its not us pushing him out or us not wanting him its just we have become resolved to the fact its happening and have moved on … its actually in my opinion a show of maturity on the clubs behalf and again to me shows as a club we are on the right path to being a significantly better club as a wholeIt goes without saying we want jack steven to stay.
I've never told anyone I want to keep my left leg, that doesn't mean I'm happy to lose it.
I disagree he has earnt it … for all the service he has given the club the club has also looked after him very very well for a very long time (and we continue to do so) .. he has issues and the club will respect his wishes based on those issues but to say he has earnt the right to go to Geelong I think is the wrong term .. I think the club respect his situation enough to allow his movement to GeelongJack Steven has given us good service for years and has tasted little success at a low performing club- he should be allowed to do what he wants... he's earned it.
Jack Steven has given us good service for years and has tasted little success at a low performing club- he should be allowed to do what he wants... he's earned it.
He has earned it by getting very well compensated as a player (highest paid in the team). The club needs to look after it's itself just as much as Steven needs to look after himself. 2 way street.Jack Steven has given us good service for years and has tasted little success at a low performing club- he should be allowed to do what he wants... he's earned it.
What are the ideas for a pick swap to get Hill in?
Initially I feel we want to trade 5 for a 10&18 type then send 10 for Hill.
I know Freo will say 5 or GTFO but still
I’m starting to warm on Z Jones. I thought he was 4 years older than he really is. Think there’s room for improvement but if he does improve it’ll make the team better.
Good idea, make it a new free agency rule for all clubs.
Hey Players if you want to walk from that low performing club just do it.
I think that these moves are being made because the club is still expecting to push for finals pretty soon with this group.
Gone are the days of trading out 5 players for top picks, bottoming out and hammering the draft. Now you need to keep rolling and picking up talent from all avenues.
While a guy like Keath might seem like more of the same, the fact is that Joyce, Austin and Clav are all unproven. Keath has shown he can be very, very good. So we bring him in to pair with Carlisle and Wilkie. Now we have a stud in Josh Battle who can be pushed up to a wing or KPF role and develop further without hurting our backline.
Same with Jones and Hill. They let us move Gresham forward more. Billings can sweep into defence know there will be other options to carry the ball on the wing. Ross can roll outside a little more with rotations on ball.
Ryder will be a coach as much as a player. Marshall spends a year at FF learning that craft and improving his game. In 2021 he will be one of the most complete ruck/forward options in the comp because he is being developed properly and learning different skills.
I dont think we will win many more games next year, to be honest we got lucky in a few along the way in 2019, but there are going to be clearly improved standards when it comes to training, development and team flexibilty.
Ratts learned this at the Hawks with guys like Sicily, Gunston, Roughead, Breust etc all playing different positions over the years.
They could even bring in a new rule to let Hawks, Pies, and Cats run bigger lists and salary caps, so they can deal with the influx. Perhaps they don't have a big enough Academy zone either, they could divvy up the Peninsula, surely Seaford would be a big enough zone for the Saints.
I don't care how long and protracted the trade for Steven is.
He's on the off season, we tell him we can make it happen, tell him to go off and be happy and not to listen to trade radio. He doesn't need to know about the fist fights in the rooms at Marvel.
We get what we can.
Is it just me or are our prospective trades ho-hum. Someone please tell me what i'm missing.
Hill. Very good player with talents we don't have. Turns 27 next year. Prospective career with Saints , 3 to 6 years.
Jones. Very fast ,finds a lot of the ball. Only makes sense to me if we intend to use him in the midfield, where he has the potential to win clearances and contested possessions. Sort of like a younger crappier Jack Steven. As a back line player, his disposal efficiency is comparable to a midfielder. ( Geary 74% , Jones 71% ). Gives away a lot of free kicks.
As a back line player i'd have him behind Clark, Savage, Webster. Only 24 at least.
Ryder a good mobile ruck, but 31 years old. Maybe he'll play forward and kick 10 or so goals for the season. (while we lose Bruce and his 30 odd ).
Short term stop gap. Will be gone before we have a shot at finals.
Keath. Seems to be a very similar player to Battle or Carlisle, i guess he could let Battle go forward but Battle is unproven forward as well. Can't see Battle winning the contested possessions that Bruce did. Keath is nearly 28, but probably hasn't had the wear and tear of some other players like Brown, and may be able to play into his 30s. 3-6 years of footy probably.
Draft pick 5. A chance that he will wash out, but a better chance he will be at least an OK player, who can give us perhaps a decade of footy. Also a chance he could be elite.
A little exercise I go through to clear my head on all this stuff is to forget about picks and look at player outcomes
If at the end of the period we have lost
Bruce, Steven, Longer, Pierce a few others I can’t even remember and picked up
Hill & Ryder (solid chances), Jones (middle chance) & Keith (outside chance) plus taken one kid in the first round and upgrade two others are we a better side?
My answer is 100% yes.
Battle goes forward, Carlisle plays his natural position, we have a proper ruck rotation and we have the best wing combo in the league
Who gives a crap about pick numbers, they turn into players anyway.
I disagree he has earnt it … for all the service he has given the club the club has also looked after him very very well for a very long time (and we continue to do so) .. he has issues and the club will respect his wishes based on those issues but to say he has earnt the right to go to Geelong I think is the wrong term .. I think the club respect his situation enough to allow his movement to Geelong
I’m starting to warm on Z Jones. I thought he was 4 years older than he really is. Think there’s room for improvement but if he does improve it’ll make the team better.
I don't care how long and protracted the trade for Steven is.
He's on the off season, we tell him we can make it happen, tell him to go off and be happy and not to listen to trade radio. He doesn't need to know about the fist fights in the rooms at Marvel.
We get what we can.
Is it just me or are our prospective trades ho-hum. Someone please tell me what i'm missing.
Hill. Very good player with talents we don't have. Turns 27 next year. Prospective career with Saints , 3 to 6 years.
Jones. Very fast ,finds a lot of the ball. Only makes sense to me if we intend to use him in the midfield, where he has the potential to win clearances and contested possessions. Sort of like a younger crappier Jack Steven. As a back line player, his disposal efficiency is comparable to a midfielder. ( Geary 74% , Jones 71% ). Gives away a lot of free kicks.
As a back line player i'd have him behind Clark, Savage, Webster. Only 24 at least.
Ryder a good mobile ruck, but 31 years old. Maybe he'll play forward and kick 10 or so goals for the season. (while we lose Bruce and his 30 odd ).
Short term stop gap. Will be gone before we have a shot at finals.
Keath. Seems to be a very similar player to Battle or Carlisle, i guess he could let Battle go forward but Battle is unproven forward as well. Can't see Battle winning the contested possessions that Bruce did. Keath is nearly 28, but probably hasn't had the wear and tear of some other players like Brown, and may be able to play into his 30s. 3-6 years of footy probably.
Draft pick 5. A chance that he will wash out, but a better chance he will be at least an OK player, who can give us perhaps a decade of footy. Also a chance he could be elite.
Jack Steven has given his all for our club for 180 odd games, he’s won four B&F awards, he’s a very popular member of our club.
And this year that same man was in an extremely dark place due to very upsetting personal problems and mental health issues.
What we get for Stuv in a trade doesn’t matter, if it’s a second rounder, a third rounder, or nothing.
All anybody that knows Jack wants is for him to give himself the best possible chance of getting his life back on track.
To still hear supporters carrying on about what he’s worth in a trade is very upsetting, especially after events of the last week.
These are real people battling real issues. Instead of carrying on over a draft pick, let’s just hope that a Saint can get his life in order and just be happy, healthy and content.
Footy actually means nothing in the scheme of things, draft picks even less.
Get some perspective please.