List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part III
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Bloody hell if thatās the case we get a better deal for Newnes than weāll get for not only Stuv, but Bruce and Carlisle as well.
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It all depends on how the AFL are feeling on the day but based off previous free agent compo, a deal like that would put him in band 3, which is a 2nd round pick and since we finished near the bottom, its a higher second round pick which is convenient.
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That would place him in band 3 for the compo - which is what the Dogs got for Dahlhaus last year, North got for Wells 2 years ago and Freo got for Mayne 2 years ago.
They take into consideration age, games played and contract offered - Newnes being young in the FA scale helps us, he's plays regular games which suits us and an average contract would also suit us.
Maybe, but all three of those players are miles better than Newnes in my opinion. If we get a 2nd rounder for Newnes the club should buy a lotto ticket.
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I would say itās more likely Bruce stays than goes, itās 80-20.
Vickery and Mayne got 2nd round picks
With Ralphy saying heās worth a 2nd-3rd rounder he better stay.
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Heath Shaw does has rival interest as GWS considers his future at the Giants.
The Pies premiership defender has said he would retire if GWS won the flag but if not he is keen to go on and the Giants want to keep him.
He turns 34 in November but still has his pace and continues to take the best small forward in opposition teams.
But having paid Stephen Coniglio around $7 million, the question remains if GWS have the salary space for a deal that would likely be around $350,000-$400,000.
All still points to him staying given an excellent season for a player who is also an on field general who is also an energiser bunny around the club.
Rivals would likely be prepared to offer him a one-year deal with a game-based trigger, but surely a deal can be struck.
He has played every game this year for 478 disposals.
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Dayne Zorko of the Lions is seen wrestling with Heath Shaw
St Kilda will likely only secure a second-round pick for Josh Bruce, with their decision to consider trade request for him remaining a confusing decision given his goal power.
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But St Kildaās feeling is that they have so little of trade value they must find more picks given their desire to secure Brad Hill, Zak Jones, Patty Ryder and maybe even Port Adelaideās Sam Gray.
He gets a longer-term deal and some security and the Saints get a second rounder.
They have picks 12, 30 and 41, which ironically is the Saints own pick after a trade last year.
Could the Dogs offer that as the starting point in a trade, even if the Saints would want more.
His likely departure will mean all eyes will be on Max King as he starts his second year, with Paddy McCartinās future extremely uncertain in a forward line that could include Paddy Ryder alongside Tim Membrey.
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Adam Tomlinson is now looking for a fresh start
Adam Tomlinsonās dropping for the qualifying final has only hardened his determination to find a fresh start at the Melbourne football club.
He will depart GWS with no hard feelings given his popularity in the playing group and the clubās inability to offer him a lucrative contract as a free agent.
But he is known to feel he needs a new coach who will have a fresh set of eyes about maximising his talent rather than playing him as a dour role player.
He has a huge tank so at 194cm is happy to play on a wing for GWS but could even be settled in defence if Sam Frost departs the Demons.
Melbourne is into Jamie Elliott but hasnāt made Frost a priority, as Hawthorn and North Melbourne circle.
GWS could end up trading for Adelaideās Sam Jacobs for an extremely late pick despite him being an unrestricted free agent, as it would dilute any free agency compensation for the departing Tomlinson.
Brody Grundy is considering a move home to SA
CLUB vs FAMILY LOYALTY: GRUNDYāS DILEMMA
Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury has thrown his full support behind Brodie Grundyās move to strongly consider a return home to South Australia.
Grundy this week told the Herald Sun his decision was far from clear cut as he weighs up the chance to be closer to family in Adelaide.
Collingwood is trying to lock away the superstar ruckman, but it could take a whopping six or seven-year deal worth more than $1 million a season to keep him in Victoria.
The Brownlow Medal contender is a free agent at the end of next season, meaning the Pies would only receive one first-round draft pick as compensation, tied to their ladder position.
Pendlebury said Grundy was taking a āmatureā approach to his contract dilemma.
āHe is just being open. For him to say all this just means heās been thinking about it for what, six months or a year?ā Pendlebury said on the Jock and Journo podcast.
āAnd how has his form been this year? Itās probably the best year heās had in the league. Itās not going to affect his form.
āPeople get so caught up whether itās disloyal to the club. What if itās disloyal to your family?
āEvery player in the league would change clubs in a heartbeat if it would be better for your family.
āTheyāre so much more in it than you have just got to play for the club and you owe the club.ā
Pendlebury also said he would also have no problems if Grundy was open and said he was leaving, before the end of the season.
Players are encouraged to keep their intentions secret, but there is support for more transparency in the player movement market
āJust say Brodie came out and said āboys this is my last few gamesā,ā Pendlebury said.
āIām not going to think āhe wonāt play hard for us this weekā because he will.ā
SUNS REVEAL GRAND PLANS
Gold Coast wants Adelaide utility Hugh Greenwood to add a dynamic edge to its midfield next year.
The Suns are eyeing Greenwood and Richmond running machine Brandon Ellis to beef up their side for next season.
They are also monitoring Hawthornās Issac Smith, but the wingman is more likely now to stay at Waverley as part of a contract extension.
Hugh Greenwood blocks his ears while talking to Rory Sloane.
Four-year deals could land Greenwood and Ellisās signatures, with the Tigers likely to receive a second-round free agency compensation pick in return for Ellis.
The Suns are trying to fight off strong interest from Hawthorn to land Greenwood for 2020.
Adelaide is reluctant to give Greenwood a long-term deal, almost certainly confirming his departure.
The Suns are expected to receive pick No.2 in this yearās draft as part of the AFLās ongoing special assistance.
CAREER LIFELINE?
Fremantle could be Chris Mastenās best chance of a career lifeline.
There has so far been little interest in the departing Eaglesā wingman after West Coast made the call to part ways with the veteran midfielder.
But the Dockers will have to consider him as Ed Langdon seeks a move to Melbourne and Brad Hill crosses to St Kilda.
Mastenās departure helps make room for Cat Tim Kelly.
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Heath Shaw does has rival interest as GWS considers his future at the Giants.
The Pies premiership defender has said he would retire if GWS won the flag but if not he is keen to go on and the Giants want to keep him.
He turns 34 in November but still has his pace and continues to take the best small forward in opposition teams.
But having paid Stephen Coniglio around $7 million, the question remains if GWS have the salary space for a deal that would likely be around $350,000-$400,000.
All still points to him staying given an excellent season for a player who is also an on field general who is also an energiser bunny around the club.
Rivals would likely be prepared to offer him a one-year deal with a game-based trigger, but surely a deal can be struck.
He has played every game this year for 478 disposals.
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St Kilda will likely only secure a second-round pick for Josh Bruce, with their decision to consider trade request for him remaining a confusing decision given his goal power.
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LIVE in 4K Ultra HD Get Foxtel SportBut St Kildaās feeling is that they have so little of trade value they must find more picks given their desire to secure Brad Hill, Zak Jones, Patty Ryder and maybe even Port Adelaideās Sam Gray.
He gets a longer-term deal and some security and the Saints get a second rounder.
They have picks 12, 30 and 41, which ironically is the Saints own pick after a trade last year.
Could the Dogs offer that as the starting point in a trade, even if the Saints would want more.
His likely departure will mean all eyes will be on Max King as he starts his second year, with Paddy McCartinās future extremely uncertain in a forward line that could include Paddy Ryder alongside Tim Membrey.
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Adam Tomlinsonās dropping for the qualifying final has only hardened his determination to find a fresh start at the Melbourne football club.
He will depart GWS with no hard feelings given his popularity in the playing group and the clubās inability to offer him a lucrative contract as a free agent.
But he is known to feel he needs a new coach who will have a fresh set of eyes about maximising his talent rather than playing him as a dour role player.
He has a huge tank so at 194cm is happy to play on a wing for GWS but could even be settled in defence if Sam Frost departs the Demons.
Melbourne is into Jamie Elliott but hasnāt made Frost a priority, as Hawthorn and North Melbourne circle.
GWS could end up trading for Adelaideās Sam Jacobs for an extremely late pick despite him being an unrestricted free agent, as it would dilute any free agency compensation for the departing Tomlinson.
CLUB vs FAMILY LOYALTY: GRUNDYāS DILEMMA
Collingwood captain Scott Pendlebury has thrown his full support behind Brodie Grundyās move to strongly consider a return home to South Australia.
Grundy this week told the Herald Sun his decision was far from clear cut as he weighs up the chance to be closer to family in Adelaide.
Collingwood is trying to lock away the superstar ruckman, but it could take a whopping six or seven-year deal worth more than $1 million a season to keep him in Victoria.
The Brownlow Medal contender is a free agent at the end of next season, meaning the Pies would only receive one first-round draft pick as compensation, tied to their ladder position.
Pendlebury said Grundy was taking a āmatureā approach to his contract dilemma.
āHe is just being open. For him to say all this just means heās been thinking about it for what, six months or a year?ā Pendlebury said on the Jock and Journo podcast.
āAnd how has his form been this year? Itās probably the best year heās had in the league. Itās not going to affect his form.
āPeople get so caught up whether itās disloyal to the club. What if itās disloyal to your family?
āEvery player in the league would change clubs in a heartbeat if it would be better for your family.
āTheyāre so much more in it than you have just got to play for the club and you owe the club.ā
Pendlebury also said he would also have no problems if Grundy was open and said he was leaving, before the end of the season.
Players are encouraged to keep their intentions secret, but there is support for more transparency in the player movement market
āJust say Brodie came out and said āboys this is my last few gamesā,ā Pendlebury said.
āIām not going to think āhe wonāt play hard for us this weekā because he will.ā
SUNS REVEAL GRAND PLANS
Gold Coast wants Adelaide utility Hugh Greenwood to add a dynamic edge to its midfield next year.
The Suns are eyeing Greenwood and Richmond running machine Brandon Ellis to beef up their side for next season.
They are also monitoring Hawthornās Issac Smith, but the wingman is more likely now to stay at Waverley as part of a contract extension.
Four-year deals could land Greenwood and Ellisās signatures, with the Tigers likely to receive a second-round free agency compensation pick in return for Ellis.
The Suns are trying to fight off strong interest from Hawthorn to land Greenwood for 2020.
Adelaide is reluctant to give Greenwood a long-term deal, almost certainly confirming his departure.
The Suns are expected to receive pick No.2 in this yearās draft as part of the AFLās ongoing special assistance.
CAREER LIFELINE?
Fremantle could be Chris Mastenās best chance of a career lifeline.
There has so far been little interest in the departing Eaglesā wingman after West Coast made the call to part ways with the veteran midfielder.
But the Dockers will have to consider him as Ed Langdon seeks a move to Melbourne and Brad Hill crosses to St Kilda.
Mastenās departure helps make room for Cat Tim Kelly.
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Were not giving away our best player for nothing. If we get a s**t deal then * jack he can go home and sook out the year not playing or he can give us one last very good year.
Yeah i get it mental health and all i have had my own battles before you all have an attack.
Hes not on the other side of the country.
Bad luck thats business. Thats why we have contracts.
I never get the 'equals in the points system'.
Pick 30 and 48 in no way equal the opportunity at pick 20.
If we were to get 30 and 41 for Bruce
30 would be enough to get Jones i think
Would 41 be enough to get Keath? Maybe a bit short.
I'd be happy with that deal if it got us those two and if the plan is to play Battle forward
30 would be enough to get Jones i think
Would 41 be enough to get Keath? Maybe a bit short.
I'd be happy with that deal if it got us those two and if the plan is to play Battle forward
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Bruce for Jones essentially.
Iām not sure we are better off there.
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Lmao in what world?
Reckon we'd have to get another pick.
As I said earlier, if we turned Bruce into Jones and Keath then I'd do it.
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If we get Keath, it will offset Bruce since we can move Battle forward.
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