Hawthorn Carlton this year was one if the best games I have seen live in a while...great atmosphere pre, during and post game.
The AFL wants 22 teams. Name your next four.
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Hawthorn Carlton this year was one if the best games I have seen live in a while...great atmosphere pre, during and post game.
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Canberra is not NSW at all.
Yes, and what relevance does that have to the point being made exactly?
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Clears up confusion created by your post listing 4 NSW teams.
Considering I listed Canberra, I don't think anyone with a brain would be confused.
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No one from NSW would consider Canberra as part of this state or vice versa.
Okay.
And plenty outside of NSW see Canberra as embedded deep within NSW - hell, even GWS include Canberra in their zone, and NSW/ACT always field a combined team in the NAB National championships, so there was no confusion at all in Kappas post - only your ridiculous ultra nick-picking again.
Looking at long term possibilities, besides Canberra and a third Sydney club, Newcastle/Maitland has a large growing population and a very rapidly growing grassroots Australian Football presence - The Black Diamond League - albeit off a previously low base. This burgeoning area has already produced 2 AFL players in Paul Hunter and star Isaac Heeney.
Another possibility could be the very strong Australian Football twin cities of Albury/Wodonga, playing out of Lavington Oval and also drawing support from surrounding cities such a small Wagga, Narrandera, Griffith, Shepparton, Wangaratta and Echuca etc. The local Oven & Murray League is the richest and generally the strongest regional league in Australia and often attracts a GF crowd of 15,000+ (I've attended a few in the past at Lavington Oval). A heap of AFL players have also come from this region.
Before Stuff like Albury/Wodonga or Newcastle surely a 4th WA & 3rd SA would be much more viable in such strong AF areas.
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Re: Canberra - Good to see so little understanding of places you want to plant team.
Also, if Riverina gets teams where will gws players come from?
First - I once lived in Albury and have been to Canberra numerous times.
Second - There's now 62 listed NSW players under SOO rules, almost enough for 2 teams. At present growth rates, there will be enough for 3 teams in the foreseeable future.
Third - I never said I "want to plant teams" or advocated as such for any of these locations. I was merely musing about some possible long term locations in line with the general theme of the thread.
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Vast majority of NSW players from Riverina.
Hardly a vast majority. Here's the breakdown -
Sydney - 14
Newcastle/Central Coast - 3
Canberra - 5
At or near Albury - 10
At or near Wagga - 7
Rest of Riverina - 13
Far West - 5
The rest - 5
The rest includes the 2 Hawks from Temora plus 1 rep each from the South Coast, Wollongong and Northern NSW.
Sydney - 14
Newcastle/Central Coast - 3
Canberra - 5
At or near Albury - 10
At or near Wagga - 7
Rest of Riverina - 13
Far West - 5
The rest - 5
The rest includes the 2 Hawks from Temora plus 1 rep each from the South Coast, Wollongong and Northern NSW.
St. Kilda relocated to QLD to become the "Sunshine Coast Saints"
North & Footscray to merge becoming "North Western Melbourne"
Illawarra Pasties
Central Coast Plumbers
North Shore / Northern Beaches Pirates
Hobart Islanders
Canberra Capitals
North & Footscray to merge becoming "North Western Melbourne"
Illawarra Pasties
Central Coast Plumbers
North Shore / Northern Beaches Pirates
Hobart Islanders
Canberra Capitals
You'd be surprised at how many grounds across NSW now have Aussie Rules posts, don't rule anything out.
I have been promoting the 22-team idea for some years now.
Why ??
21-rounds means it is a completely even draw.
Major growth into new regions.
Total dominance of the footy landscape over the rugby codes.
True national competition.
11-games per week
Tasmania
Canberra
Wollongong
Newcastle
NT (maybe)
FNQ (maybe)
NZ (dream world)
The main problem with expansion is potential viewers and potential participation rates. With how much the AFL prop up certain clubs, finances are irrelevant. I also don't see WA3/SA3 ever being even remotely feasible. Both would take massive population growth and demand for even more footy so they are out of the question. Tasmania is a no brainer when it comes to next cab off the rank and I think when GWS are fully entrenched in Western Sydney, the AFL should look at Canberra as #20.
My two areas of interest after that are the areas south and north of Sydney. Newcastle and the southern areas like Wollongong are really intriguing for me in terms of being able to potentially have AFL sides in 20-30 years. NSW is the one state outside Victoria with the potential to have more than 2 teams in the AFL and putting them outside Sydney would give GWS and Sydney room to breathe and not cannibalize their supporter bases whilst also consolidating our code. Would also put us at 22 teams which is the perfect number for our league unless we get 100 million people by 2100 or something.
FNQ and NT would be really into the future and NZ is just a pipe dream at this stage.
Canberra
Wollongong
Newcastle
NT (maybe)
FNQ (maybe)
NZ (dream world)
The main problem with expansion is potential viewers and potential participation rates. With how much the AFL prop up certain clubs, finances are irrelevant. I also don't see WA3/SA3 ever being even remotely feasible. Both would take massive population growth and demand for even more footy so they are out of the question. Tasmania is a no brainer when it comes to next cab off the rank and I think when GWS are fully entrenched in Western Sydney, the AFL should look at Canberra as #20.
My two areas of interest after that are the areas south and north of Sydney. Newcastle and the southern areas like Wollongong are really intriguing for me in terms of being able to potentially have AFL sides in 20-30 years. NSW is the one state outside Victoria with the potential to have more than 2 teams in the AFL and putting them outside Sydney would give GWS and Sydney room to breathe and not cannibalize their supporter bases whilst also consolidating our code. Would also put us at 22 teams which is the perfect number for our league unless we get 100 million people by 2100 or something.
FNQ and NT would be really into the future and NZ is just a pipe dream at this stage.
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Tasmania (7 games in Hobart, 4 in Launceston)
Canberra (9 games in Canberra, 1 in Wagga, 1 in Albury)
NZ (9 games in Auckland, 1 in Wellington, 1 in Christchurch)
Vancouver (the only city in the world to record a crowd over 30,000, yet still to have a team. Plus timezone works well with Australian mornings. Adds another timeslot)
Canberra (9 games in Canberra, 1 in Wagga, 1 in Albury)
NZ (9 games in Auckland, 1 in Wellington, 1 in Christchurch)
Vancouver (the only city in the world to record a crowd over 30,000, yet still to have a team. Plus timezone works well with Australian mornings. Adds another timeslot)
This is the one place overseas I can see a team working in, within the next 25 years.
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Pure fantasy
Would need a massive leap in transport technology.....more likely start developing a small pro competition in North America (though the stadia is always the challenge )
Auckland is the only plausible spot for an AFL team outside of Australia
No it won't. Midweek flights and a few days to adjust to jetlag would make it work. If rugby union can have teams in Japan, Australia, South Africa and Argentina, all within the same club competition, a team in Vancouver would also be possible.
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Great point re an even draw.
It boggles my mind how fixture-ery the AFL is.
Both NFL and EPL (two competitions the AFL would or should admire) have fair and equitable draws. Why are we left with this clearly unfair draw? I know it’s cool the Hawks play the Cats x2 per season for the $$$ but it’s a competition first and the quality of footy and added quantity of 22 teams will bring in enough revenue.
21 games per season with 22 weeks (Keep the current bye set up).
Playing each team once with alternating home and away fixtures each season is the ideal way to run the comp.
You can't really compare the super rugby to the AFL though
Super Rugby is on life support
Yes I can. The comparable thing is the distances travelled. Super Rugby is on life support due to a severe lack of interest in Australia and Japan, not because teams have to travel.
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