Bluemour Melting Pot XX - Snark Free Zone

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

I use them as a way of saying I agree. Otherwise the thread would be full of noobs like myself saying. "Yep" "Totally" "Yeah" "Oath" "Right On" ... "Insert any other cringe way of saying I agree"

agree

 

[Carl Tone]

I feel Fisher really has something, and is still very young. When assessing any young player, I try to think of a best case scenario - which AFL player could they play like if they developed very well from here. Then work back from there, as best case scenarios don't often happen.

I find Fisher a hard one to place, as he seems to have quite a unique mix of skills, but I feel he's a little bit Dayne Zorko-ish. Small, quick, agile, can kick goals. Feel free to argue, but he's the "best case scenario" I see for Fisher.

Now at Fisher's age (21), Zorko was not yet even in the AFL. So let's remember how young Fisher is.

Here's Zorko's (excellent) first year in AFL at age 23 versus Fisher's "disappointing" 2019 at age 21:

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Clearly major win on points to Zorko, but take a closer look at a lot of those stats are in the same ballpark - tackles arguably being the bigger differential. But this is 23yo Zorko vs 21yo Fisher.

Roll Fisher 2 years forwards.... I see no reason to move him out, now. An extra preseason, stronger midfield around him, I think Fisher can be a real "icing on top" weapon in the midfield that actually does a lot of the damage. F50s, Goal Assists, Long Kicks, etc.

Food for thought. Or to dismiss me as a maniac.

I'm not saying Fisher wont be great - has shown plenty. But when negotiating you've got to be a realist when chasing the elite. If the club decides they are serious, they need to trade serious. This would be a win both ways, with hurt both ways.

 

[Ollo]

agree

Right On

 

[Manhattanite]

Right On

Totally


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[thylacine60]

No

hey harks, barass just said "no"............42 likes.............

 

[thylacine60]

Totally


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yup

 

[4thchicken]

5 x 550k = 1st round compo to Richmond?

 

[ForYouBlue]

As in the club may take their cues from such an idea?

Oh no. Even out of context, just the idea of people's behaviours or engagement being dictated in part by popularity. Which obviously makes sense to some degree socially, but scary when articulated.

Sorry, I suppose given I quoted you I should have taken the responsibility of explaining myself hahaha.

 

[Funk]

Rumour- blue baggers getting thread banned faster than Papley can swoop on a loose ball.

Aph then going to bring in Arrow to remove the plums

Think Aph is at Chadstone again......

 

[Malifice]

Marchbank was already asked about and shut down quickly by all parties.

Macreadie is the one I'd be looking at.

He was GWS zoned already, and is a young key defender (which Sydney apparently want). He's also surplus to our needs at present.

Id be bundling him and Pick 9 to the Swans for Papley and change.

 

[Blues_1864]

Contracted players had the same right then as they do now. JK could have told us to get stuffed. Just like Burton from the Hawks, could have said no to a trade, but was pushed out the door.

Didn’t see your last sentence before replying. Kennedy despite that rule could have said no.

Wouldn't have mattered though. Don't forget Trent Croad was traded from Hawthorn to Fremantle in 2001 whilst under general anaesthetic; the clubs negotiated the deal while he was on the operating table. And when Collingwood traded Clinton King for Richmond's Steve McKee in 1999, neither club told King; he didn't even find out until the next day. See page 97 here: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ANZSportsLawJl/2006/5.pdf

Player's right of veto is a formal thing. I don't know when the AFLPA succeeded in formalising it, but it was post-2007.

 

[thylacine60]

Macreadie is the one I'd be looking at.

He was GWS zoned already, and is a young key defender (which Sydney apparently want). He's also surplus to our needs at present.

Id be bundling him and Pick 9 to the Swans for Papley and change.

got to the stage now where I'd be ok with that...........oh harrison..........

 

[ferrisb]

There's a 25% chance of getting the correct answer in a multiple choice question with four options when one completely guesses.

A few rules to help you

• All of the above/none of the above are correct about 50% of the time
• Test writers rarely have the correct answer in the same spot twice in a row
• Pick specific answers over vague ones
• Pick longer answers over shorter ones
• If two answers mean the same thing, neither of them are correct

You can just about pass a test with no real knowledge if you follow things like the above.

In year 10 I noticed one of my teachers unwittingly followed patterns in her multiple choice tests. I scored 57% only selecting C for an entire test. One of my proudest high school moments.

Of course you're better off actually studying for a test than using 'advanced guessing'. And given you are almost finished your Med degree, your future patients will also be better off.....

 

[bmaurizio]

Macreadie is the one I'd be looking at.

He was GWS zoned already, and is a young key defender (which Sydney apparently want). He's also surplus to our needs at present.

Id be bundling him and Pick 9 to the Swans for Papley and change.

I agree with you, but will the Swans consider such a the trade? I'd drop the change.

 

[Opine]

Not surprised tbh if you have ever heard Dwayne Russell commentate one of our games you can practically hear the hate he has for Carlton.

I just switched over to a podcast of the early morning Trade Radio segment so I don't have to listen him any longer.

 

[thylacine60]

Not surprised tbh if you have ever heard Dwayne Russell commentate one of our games you can practically hear the hate he has for Carlton.

with respect - that's utter garbage.......

 

[Malifice]

Wouldn't have mattered though. Don't forget Trent Croad was traded from Hawthorn to Fremantle in 2001 whilst under general anaesthetic; the clubs negotiated the deal while he was on the operating table. And when Collingwood traded Clinton King for Richmond's Steve McKee in 1999, neither club told King; he didn't even find out until the next day. See page 97 here: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ANZSportsLawJl/2006/5.pdf

Player's right of veto is a formal thing. I don't know when the AFLPA succeeded in formalising it, but it was post-2007.

You cant force a player to leave against his will. Australian contract law (and employment law) forbids it.

It might be possible in the future if players signed up to an agreement to abide by such a restraint of trade, but it would need to be handled pretty well or else it wouldnt stand up to a legal challenge.

 

[ferrisb]

Not sure why we think this would happen. Adelaide won't simply bend over for Betts - and why would they - Paying half a salary, receiving a crap pick, for a required player? I don't see how this would fly even if they are under enormous cap pressure.

Adelaide have an ageing list and missed their window.

Not much point them keeping Betts on big money when they need to be playing youth. Especially when he is not happy there.

Would be a massive waste of $600K for Eddie to remain at Adelaide next year.

Every chance they jump at the opportunity to get x% of his salary off their books.

 

[Bluebag13]

yup

Oath

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[Elmer_Hauser]

Not surprised tbh if you have ever heard Dwayne Russell commentate one of our games you can practically hear the hate he has for Carlton.

Paul Roos is actually worse than Dwayne the Pain these days.

The one I find surprising is Derm, he seems to have quite a love in for us at the moment, and especially Crippa. Always wondered what would have happened if that rumour he came very close to replacing Parkin as coach in the late 90s eventuated. (Read that it in a certain autobio of an former influential club figure, whose name must not be named these days)

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Tim Kelly has officially requested a trade to West Coast. We may be getting involved in this deal to get the pick Gold Coast want for Martin.

 

[BennyGFunk]

Paul Roos is actually worse than Dwayne the Pain these days.

The one I find surprising is Derm, he seems to have quite a love in for us at the moment, and especially Crippa. Always wondered what would have happened if that rumour he came very close to replacing Parkin as coach in the late 90s eventuated. (Read that it in a certain autobio of an former influential club figure, whose name must not be named these days)

I've always thought Roosy was pretty fair. Dwayne on the other hand he's always appeared to be a Carlton basher..

 

[Blues_1864]

You cant force a player to leave against his will. Australian contract law (and employment law) forbids it.

It might be possible in the future if players signed up to an agreement to abide by such a restraint of trade, but it would need to be handled pretty well or else it wouldnt stand up to a legal challenge.

I know that is the case now (and in recent memory); just documenting a couple of well-known former cases where a player was forced to leave without his knowledge (tantamount to no-consent). Even if the black-letter legal rights of the players have always been the same, there have been clear differences (over time) in the interpretation of those rights by the clubs.

 

[CJMB]

Wouldn't have mattered though. Don't forget Trent Croad was traded from Hawthorn to Fremantle in 2001 whilst under general anaesthetic; the clubs negotiated the deal while he was on the operating table. And when Collingwood traded Clinton King for Richmond's Steve McKee in 1999, neither club told King; he didn't even find out until the next day. See page 97 here: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ANZSportsLawJl/2006/5.pdf

Player's right of veto is a formal thing. I don't know when the AFLPA succeeded in formalising it, but it was post-2007.

What about the legality of one party choosing to terminate a binding employment contract before another employer attempts to force you to sign a new one against your will?...

 

[Blue Chip Pass]

not this gaff s**t again - how many times do I have to say it? gaff is a mistake!

Oh but why, Mr Thy?