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Yes, over time, quite often.
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That's so stupid. I know people that get angry when others change their views on things "I remember when you use to be anti-immigration!".I used to be against gay marriage (until prob 15 years ago), figure it was a hangover of a Catholic upbringing. Once I figured out I don’t really give a fu** then I changed my mind.
It’s funny when I tell people this, some get s**tty as that I USED to be against it a long time ago.
1950 then. A time before now, basically.
And this statement gives away that you think it's a battle. It's not 'men v women' or 'gender pay gap v no gender pay gap'. That's a very poor characterisation of the debate.
My point is this: there is probably no gender pay gap, at least in the sense of what men and women in similar roles are earning. But there is no point in becoming all angry and riled up when someone (usually a woman) suggests there is. What does it achieve? Men have at least of as much of a responsibility to promote equality in the workplace, and we aren't there yet.
If a woman says 'you know, we earn on average less than you, have a look at these figures', perhaps she is not doing the overall cause of equality any favours. But we have a choice here. Instead of saying 'no you don't!!!! what are you talking about! I hate it when people are brain dead morons!' we should be saying 'I recognise that there is still exists fundamental gender bias in the workplace. I don't think it necessarily translates to women being paid less for similar roles, but as a man I am on your side and want to try and eliminate sexism.' Yes I'm exaggerating and it's a bit corny etc, but I think you get my drift.
I wasn't talking about someone taking 5 years off work in a 10 year period. That would evidence a clear intent on their behalf that they don't really give a s**t about their career, and are more focused on their family, or other pursuits. More power to them, but as you say, they can't expect to be jumping up the corporate ladder. That is an entirely separate debate to the pay gap. It's like someone travelling for 4 years and expecting to jump back in where they left off.
The poster above was talking specifically about a woman taking 'a year' off. When you consider that the minimum paid parental leave entitlement is almost half a working year, it's really a pretty big call to state they should 'expect to suffer'.
I don't disagree with any of this, in fact I agree wholeheartedly.
Again, I don't necessarily disagree. I don't, however, think there should be such a clear demarcation drawn between 'having a family' and 'choosing your career'. In a nutshell - your family and your career are (generally speaking) probably the two biggest legacies you are going to leave on this earth. As a society we should be doing all we can to ensure we can have both. I realise that sometimes there a tough decisions to be made, but lets try and minimise those tough decisions, rather than take the hard line and simply say 'well, you chose to have kids, so it's now harder for you to get a promotion'. That is BS. The two choices are not mutually exclusive.
Anyway, we've gone off track. My central point relates to sexism in the workplace. Maybe it's because I see it almost every day - but I still feel like we have a long way to go.
And on a slightly interrelated point - is there any real reason why most nurses are women and most CEOs are men, apart from the historical tendencies of those professions? Why shouldn't we strive to make the split 50/50 in both? I see absolutely no reason why men would be just equipped to do nursing, and women just as equipped to be CEOs. Unless we are suggesting that women are inherently less driven, motivated and talented than men?
Most Australians were homophobic 25 years ago. We've come a long way in a really short period of time, so much so that religious people now need special protection for us NTTAWWTs. For some reason.I used to be against gay marriage (until prob 15 years ago), figure it was a hangover of a Catholic upbringing. Once I figured out I don’t really give a fu** then I changed my mind.
It’s funny when I tell people this, some get s**tty as that I USED to be against it a long time ago.
Or do most people basically stay the same, in terms of their opinions and outlooks, throughout adulthood?
My opinions on a lot of things have changed. The high school me, the early uni me, the late uni me, the working me, the current me, all different.
And not because I'm attempting to be different. I'm not actively trying to change my mind about things.
But as I read and hear and see and experience more things for myself, my evidence base develops, and so too do my opinions.
In a later comment in this thread I will list some examples of topics where my opinion has changed not one but twice or thrice or more over the years.
For now, I just want to get your thoughts on this. Do you ever really change your mind on important topics?
Do you think other people change their minds on important topics?
Over to you, bigfooty
Yes if they are opened minded and have a curiosity of how the world works and are willing to be adaptable and embrace change.
A lot of people are close minded thou.
Also some thought patterns are innate and genetically set and can't really be changed.
Religious people certainly don't.
On the plus side the take up is lower than it used to be so there is progress on that front.
Yet there have been many positives to religion over the years.
I can't imagine, though, that you would ever change your mind, which answers the OP's question.
I acknowledge that religious groups have done good things.
Do religious people acknowledge that believing in God is nonsense?
"Closed-minded" = People who don't think the same as you do.
false equivalence detected
A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it's closed.Closed minded = Anyone incapable of changing their mind. Need to listen to others.