HR and Recruiment

[Scotland]

Wouldn't we have no prime ministers?

'We need someone to become PM'
'Who has done it before?'
'Errr no one, it's a new role'
's**t'

 

[toxic]

Wouldn't we have no prime ministers?

'We need someone to become PM'
'Who has done it before?'
'Errr no one, it's a new role'
'****'

Self appointed new position description

 

[Scotland]

Geez that would be nice.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

The one that I'm loving at the moment is getting someone on board who has responded to the key selection criteria that they are "advanced in all aspects of Microsoft Office" and then after they've started they need help setting up a meeting in Outlook, putting hyperlinks into text, converting something to a PDF, or doing anything in PowerPoint or Excel.

I'm seriously at a loss as to what some people think "advanced MS Office skills" means. They know how to make some text bold in Word?

As for the recruitment/HR to-and-fro, again I'd say my experience is HR acts as the administrators. Ultimately if it's a position in my team, I'm reviewing the applications and making the 'suitable for interview' choices. Someone else (from my team or a team with whom we have a lot of crossover) will do the same and then we select our top 3 (maximum) for interview which will have a panel of three, including someone from HR.

Admittedly, depending on the level, I'll disregard some applications. If it's a mid-level position and you don't provide a cover letter or (most importantly) respond to the KSC, I'll put it at the bottom of the pile and have a look only if there aren't enough suitable candidates from those who did provide all three.

 

[burge13]

The one that I'm loving at the moment is getting someone on board who has responded to the key selection criteria that they are "advanced in all aspects of Microsoft Office" and then after they've started they need help setting up a meeting in Outlook, putting hyperlinks into text, converting something to a PDF, or doing anything in PowerPoint or Excel.

I'm seriously at a loss as to what some people think "advanced MS Office skills" means. They know how to make some text bold in Word?

Once had to help a lady who quite literally earns double what I do, who's job specs state 'advanced Excel skills' and is in a fairly technical role, cut and paste columns in Excel.

I put a formal complaint/query (not sure what you'd class it as but I wanted it raised as to how people so incompetent are higher up than I am) in with the top dog as this is rife here. To my amazement, 'I have a bad attitude' for not doing their job for them. HR and middle management in general are useless campaigners in big business (as it isn't their money being wasted/no accountability)

 

[footyfan1978]

Found HR people fairly useless in my experience.
I tried to transfer locations with my employer through HR but I organised with one HR manager to do that for me whilst I helped out temporarily in another role. So my time was up with temporary role, ring up HR manager to update me what he been up to. Find out he no longer there and different HR manager. She did not know about my case so I had to basically tell her to do her job and meet up with me and my previous manager to re-organise things again. Was a bloody farce I had to organise people that should be above me and it be their specialist role. Turns out new HR manager was from a different company so was new to her role in our company.

As it turns out in six weeks I was away from my previous location there was a new middle management guy and before even meeting up with HR manager he was trying to talk me into coming back to old location. When I did meet up with new HR manager she did not seem to be on top of her new role so could see this maybe a cluster * and I left in limbo. I decided to stick where I was in end as I did not trust HR manager was any good.

 

[00Stinger]

Dealing with HR managers is a ******* pain.

Almost all of them I have dealt with across several big well know companies are arrogant pricks/bitches who have little knowledge or intelligence and refuse to admit when they are wrong.

 

[ash_1050]

Does anyone know why HR recruiters spend a lot of time messaging you on LinkedIn offering you a horizontal move to a similar position rather than offering a vertical move up the ladder? Why would I be interested in moving to exactly the same role at a different company?

 

[Scotland]

Does anyone know why HR recruiters spend a lot of time messaging you on LinkedIn offering you a horizontal move to a similar position rather than offering a vertical move up the ladder? Why would I be interested in moving to exactly the same role at a different company?

Their own KPIs.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Does anyone know why HR recruiters spend a lot of time messaging you on LinkedIn offering you a horizontal move to a similar position rather than offering a vertical move up the ladder? Why would I be interested in moving to exactly the same role at a different company?

Most recruiters are independent contractors who get paid for every role they fill. They rarely work for any business in particular. They message dozens of people out of the blue hoping to find someone bitter about where they are and looking to jump ship.

 

[Scotland]

'Hey are you still with XYZ?'
'Yep'
'Are you staff or contract?'
'Staff'
'Looking to move?'
'Not really'
'OK, would you like to hear about other opportunities?'
'Sure'
'Well this 3 month contract for $10/hr less than your permanent rate has come up...'
'No thanks, not interested'
'Do you know anyone who is? Can you pass their details onto me?'

* off.

 

[ash_1050]

'Hey are you still with XYZ?'
'Yep'
'Are you staff or contract?'
'Staff'
'Looking to move?'
'Not really'
'OK, would you like to hear about other opportunities?'
'Sure'
'Well this 3 month contract for $10/hr less than your permanent rate has come up...'
'No thanks, not interested'
'Do you know anyone who is? Can you pass their details onto me?'

**** off.

Nailed it, surely you'd have more success trying to woo people who are interested in a position instead of trying to lure someone to a lower or equally paid role.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Nailed it, surely you'd have more success trying to woo people who are interested in a position instead of trying to lure someone to a lower or equally paid role.

Nah, they don't put that much effort into who they're calling to work out what makes them tick. If they call 100 people, they'll eventually find someone jaded enough to leave for any deal, better or worse, and then they get paid.

Basically they're glorified over-the-phone salespeople.

 

[Scotland]

Like most people they are in it for themselves. If the job market is good and there are commissions to be made, recruiters are suddenly your best friend. If the job market stinks they are more interested in padding their stats to look good internally than devoting hours and hours trying to get a couple of people jobs.

 

[Kanga Commando]

There are 2 great episodes of Utopia where the HR is involved - one of them only a week or so ago.


I cant spot the latest one though..

You soon realise that (internal) HR is not there to help, or improve people, but to control a process. And not always doing that well.

 

[magpie_marty]

 

[james Dean]

Does anyone know why HR recruiters spend a lot of time messaging you on LinkedIn offering you a horizontal move to a similar position rather than offering a vertical move up the ladder? Why would I be interested in moving to exactly the same role at a different company?

Recruiters are not HR. They are more like sales people

 

[ash_1050]

Recruiters are not HR. They are more like sales people

Recruiters recruiting for HR positions.

 

[RAPPA]

HR who faff around without any knowledge or understanding of IR/ER laws are all too common

 

[burge13]

There are 2 great episodes of Utopia where the HR is involved - one of them only a week or so ago.


I cant spot the latest one though..

You soon realise that (internal) HR is not there to help, or improve people, but to control a process. And not always doing that well.

This is such a great show and as a public servant can tell you it's more accurate than many would want to admit. Even the far-fetched on the show is somewhat common practice...

 

[Noobz0r]

HR question (unrelated to me).

Is there a legal requirement for HR to give 24 hours advanced notice of a disciplinary meeting, to offer a support person, and to minute said meeting?

If HR does none of the above, is there a course of action that an employee can take?

 

[Reynolds Number]

How would your previous supervisor describe you? Include both critical and positive descriptions.

My supervisor was [first name] [last name]. His number is 0xxxxxxxxx and his email is xxxxxxxx@gmail.com.

If you want to know you are free to get in contact with him.

 

[Scotland]

LOL.

"How would your previous supervisor describe you?"
"Are you going to contact him/her to verify?"
"No"
"Well in that case, getting through all this glowing praise and admiration could take a while"

 

[Taylor]

Does anyone know why HR recruiters spend a lot of time messaging you on LinkedIn offering you a horizontal move to a similar position rather than offering a vertical move up the ladder? Why would I be interested in moving to exactly the same role at a different company?

Recruiters are like player managers. They get paid by having warm bodies in roles. You get your $26 an hour from them, they get their $40 an hour from the company you're working for to find you. That premium is the price they pay to have you not turn up the next day if they don't like you, you don't actually work for the company, you work for the recruiter contractually.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

HR who faff around without any knowledge or understanding of IR/ER laws are all too common

They probably know and understand the laws and agreements, but if you're making a complaint their job is to stall for the superior/organisation. Unofficially of course.