Delisted Jack Martin [Selected by Carlton in the PSD]

[Andy_Mac]

How is an employee of the AFL

All of the players are afl employees. Otherwise the entire AFL deal would be a massive breach of employment law.

 

[manang magoos]

All of the players are afl employees. Otherwise the entire AFL deal would be a massive breach of employment law.

So every player in the country even the blokes running around in the ressies in country football are AFLemployees

 

[Andy_Mac]

So every player in the country even the blokes running around in the ressies in country football are AFLemployees

No, that’s the point. Martin or any other player can choose whoever he’d like to play for outside of the AFL.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

But he’s not working for Carlton or GC, he’s working for the AFL. If he chooses not to go to work at the company (the club) his employer (the AFL) nominates (the draft etc) then he gets to resign as an AFL player.

So who is the employer on the pay slip...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Let's say Jack Martin has been told by the Suns that they will re-draft him in the PSD for arguments sake.

I'm not really clear on the rules, but could Martin 'retire'? I know this is weird as he is OoC, but he then may be able to be picked up in the pre-season supplementary selection period? Shane Mumford was and he was retired. Is there any requirement that the player has nominated for the most recent draft or is it simply up to the AFL to tick off anyone who wishes to be listed this way?

Obviously this is a s**t show of a way to get to your club of choice, but a possibility? Carlton could rookie list him, pay him whatever they see fit and then just elevate him the next year.

Yeah, nah.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Why don't you take it up with those blues fans?

Why not with you?

 

[Monkey King]

Absolutely it holds up. It’s done every day with contract labour hire companies.

Provided he’s being paid the agreed salary and other conditions and the workplace is safe then it’s completely fair and reasonable.

It’s definitely an argument, but not a tested one. The obvious point of difference is that an uncontracted worker could choose to ply their trade elsewhere in the industry at a competitive rate. In a player’s case, the AFL is the industry. Playing SANFL for eg doesn’t mitigate the restriction on a player earning what a free market would be willing to pay.

I’m not sure the courts would agree these two situations are wholly analogous.

I’m not sure anyone would really like find out.

 

[Skull Face]

Why not with you?

Get to it then

 

[Skull Face]

54 and a future fourth is overs for Pittonet, Newnes and an over the hill Betts, so they’d want to secure Martin.

Draft picks that 15/18 clubs pass rather then use is overs for anything?

May I please have whatever it is you are smoking.

 

[Love the Drake]

Pittance! The only thing Pittance you'll get is Martin's contribution. Ordinary player asking for huge money.

That's strange coming from a Richmond fan. Over the last few years your club has made ordinary players (ordinary at the clubs they were playing for) like Caddy, Nankervis, Grigg, Houli etc in to best 22 premiership players. I would think of all fans, Richmond fans would get it; that a change of environment can do wonders for a player who has stagnated or is keen to move to another club for whatever reason.

As for the huge money, it's not huge. It is less than offered by other clubs (bulldogs), and around what he is worth for a first round draft pick in his 8th year.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

It was told to me confidentially. It’s hardly surprising though is it? Martin just doing his due diligence.

Martin isnt a fan of May. Just for your info

 

[Blackas87]

Martin isnt a fan of May. Just for your info

How do you know this?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Get to it then

I already did, you're very good at avoiding questions

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Martin isnt a fan of May. Just for your info

This is what I've heard too, he didn't like the way May was being tough on him for being lazy.

 

[KnobHead]

Absolutely it holds up. It’s done every day with contract labour hire companies.

Provided he’s being paid the agreed salary and other conditions and the workplace is safe then it’s completely fair and reasonable.

The only thing I’d question is the provision for geographically disadvantaged. As an example an employer can move your office at its discretion, provided it’s within 50km (or some such distance) from your employing office as listed in your contract.

No, if a contracting arrangement has terms that are “employer - employee” in nature then the courts will find it is an employment arrangement, which means the employer will be liable to pay superannuation, provide annual and personal leave etc.

Added, the AFL isn’t the employer of the players - it’s the clubs. This is also clear in the enterprise agreement. The AFL regulates and provides governance for the clubs, but the clubs employ the players.


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[HereComesJuddy]

This is what I've heard too, he didn't like the way May was being tough on him for being lazy.

Sure

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Sure

Yes

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Yes

If thats what you've heard, not sure May should be commenting on a player being lazy.

 

[Skull Face]

I already did, you're very good at avoiding questions

You made a vague statement without any direction, if you would like me to answer it at least ask an actual question.

Go find what I am repeating, get back to me and i'll let you know why.

 

[Skull Face]

All this huff and puff has been great but if Martin refuses to sign for GC they need to delist him before the PSD unless they plan to take a delisted free agent post draft to fill their final list spot.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

You made a vague statement without any direction, if you would like me to answer it at least ask an actual question.

Go find what I am repeating, get back to me and i'll let you know why.

There was nothing vague about it

 

[Marc_Remillard]

If thats what you've heard, not sure May should be commenting on a player being lazy.

Was he the captain at the time or in the leadership group?

If so then it was his job to pull up lazy trainers.

 

[Skull Face]

There was nothing vague about it

Well go on then, what am I repeating.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Well go on then, what am I repeating.

Haha, here you go again. Circular arguments avoiding the original question, if you're going to keep this up don't bother replying because it's pointless and boring.

It is funny seeing you accuse others of doing the same thing though

 

[Skull Face]

Haha, here you go again. Circular arguments avoiding the original question, if you're going to keep this up don't bother replying because it's pointless and boring.

It is funny seeing you accuse others of doing the same thing though

So you don't actually have anything you just made it up to troll, good day.