Coach NMFC Senior Coach Rhyce Shaw - Ben Buckley announces NMFC & Shaw will part ways immediately

[Mordecai]

Wait, so players weren't punctual for meetings BEFORE now? Piss poor if that was the case.

These players are being paid bucketloads, they can't pull themselves away from a gaming console to get to a meeting on time?

Kids these days!

How does "Kids these days!" and calls for an authoritarian style "daddy" coach fit together?

 

[Rod Stroker]

How does "Kids these days!" and calls for an authoritarian style "daddy" coach fit together?

I'm not part of the calls for a drill sergeant coach. If you look at recent premiership coaches.. Dimma, Simmo, Bevo, they don't come across as operating that way.

Having said that, it does sound like our playing group could use an injection of discipline, punctuality, and accountability, which has been apparently lacking.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I'm not part of the calls for a drill sergeant coach. If you look at recent premiership coaches.. Dimma, Simmo, Bevo, they don't come across as operating that way.

Having said that, it does sound like our playing group could use an injection of discipline, punctuality, and accountability, which has been apparently lacking.

90% of the attitude is there when you draft them.

There's nothing wrong with the hardness or application of our blokes.

It's mission control that has been letting them down over the last couple of years.

 

[ferball]

That doesn't surprise me at all. Our skills have been amongst the worst in the league for years.

For years i used to wonder who our skills coach was, then why we didn't have one and this year i found out we didn't even do skills training.

 

[ferball]

All players would be at the club long before training starts for breakfast, strapping etc. What it reflects to me is very much a change in attitude. Just say a bloke on $250k gets fined $500 for being late on to the track. He will be a bit sheepish and the boys would give him some lighthearted ribbing, but it wouldn't be a big deal.

I bet now every f***er on the list will be prepped and on the track early from now on, helping to build a highly professional environment around the joint. I look forward to ducking in to training in early December to see what the standards are like.

It's a massive problem isn't it? If that isn't a big deal then either is that kick you missed at training or those 2 tackles. If you don't have to turn up for training what about for round 1?

I like the fact that you miss out if you're late. Its a big change from fines. It actually means something.

 

[Tas]

Seems a bit absolutist. If there's a traffic accident there isn't much one can do.

I went through a phase where I loathed going to work and planned to get into work just before I was meant to, if there was any transportation issues then I would be late in for work. It is an attitude issue. When I changed job and really loved what I was doing I'd be in work super early, would plan my days better, knock some stuff out early, would give me more time to socialise with people coming into work.

I think if being a professional footballer isn't something you love to do and do not feel it is a rare privilege and you can't align your attitude and work ethic to match then you are always going to be an excuses type of person and are probably not going to have the desire to be the best. If you have the right attitude then everything changes.

I think it is fair to say that under Scott and Laidley we had a lot of players who were keen to do hard work, but it was obvious there have been attitude problems, you can't go to games and not be prepared to chase and tackle and tell me your attitude or desire is on point. It is a complex issue and for a lot of people there are different factors which contribute towards their attitude, but if we can't as a collective produce minimum standards at a high enough standard to be an elite football club then we will have a problem.

I think this is just one of many changes to come where Rhyce will try and raise our standard, it has been too low for too long.

 

[Hazey1977]

My sense is that standards may have slipped somewhat as the Brad era lengthened. It’s a symptom of people being in their jobs too long, where familiarity breeds contempt.

I think the length of incumbency, not the incumbent, is the more salient issue.

My old man was told directly from a players mouth after being traded to another club the level of intensity, self discipline and preparedness to pull up a bloke for not meeting the expected standards at the new club was on another planet compared to what he'd been through at NMFC.

This was in 2013!

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[TennisPlayerAndy]

My old man was told directly from a players mouth after being traded to another club the level of intensity, self discipline and preparedness to pull up a bloke for not meeting the expected standards at the new club was on another planet compared to what he'd been through at NMFC.

This was in 2013!

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Doesn’t surprise me.

The repercussions for poor performance at training and on matchday were non existent all throughout Scott’s ténor.

Well, unless you were under the age of 25, then it was all your fault.

 

[King Corey]

My old man was told directly from a players mouth after being traded to another club the level of intensity, self discipline and preparedness to pull up a bloke for not meeting the expected standards at the new club was on another planet compared to what he'd been through at NMFC.

This was in 2013!

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[Kimbo]

My old man was told directly from a players mouth after being traded to another club the level of intensity, self discipline and preparedness to pull up a bloke for not meeting the expected standards at the new club was on another planet compared to what he'd been through at NMFC.

This was in 2013!

Interesting, thanks.

 

[Rod Stroker]

My old man was told directly from a players mouth after being traded to another club the level of intensity, self discipline and preparedness to pull up a bloke for not meeting the expected standards at the new club was on another planet compared to what he'd been through at NMFC.

This was in 2013!

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I would have guessed Haley. Plenty of campaigners at Hawthorn who would have given it to team mates not pulling their weight.

Still irks me that Haley played half his final year with us in the VFL. Gets traded to Hawthorn, retires after winning 3 straight flags.

Bloody Scotts!

 

[mouncey2franklin]

I bet now every f***er on the list will be prepped and on the track early from now on, helping to build a highly professional environment around the joint.

Wasn't this pretty much Brads Scottss's rhetoric from day one?

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Wasn't this pretty much Brads Scottss's rhetoric from day one?

Close.

It was to build a highly professional property portfolio.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Wasn't this pretty much Brads Scottss's rhetoric from day one?

There's a difference between putting in place a professional operational and structural framework and facilities, and instilling a ruthless professional attitude in players and staff alike. It seems as though Bard got lost somewhere along the way in the latter. I reckon he got a bit comfortable after a few years, then jaded towards the end.

 

[The Warlord]

My sense is that standards may have slipped somewhat as the Brad era lengthened. It’s a symptom of people being in their jobs too long, where familiarity breeds contempt.

I think the length of incumbency, not the incumbent, is the more salient issue.

Agree, Once Brad's get gun mids in on massive money plan fell apart,lots of things went with it.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

There's a difference between putting in place a professional operational and structural framework and facilities, and instilling a ruthless professional attitude in players and staff alike. It seems as though Bard got lost somewhere along the way in the latter. I reckon he got a bit comfortable after a few years, then jaded towards the end.

And this is where the club let itself down and why so many people got sacked post Scott.

When a key employee goes rouge/apathetic/disgruntled then the other senior personnel need to step in quickly - that clearly didn't happen here. Joyce/Delina et al weren't up to it and Buckley was in Sydney.

None of Bard's merry men will end up in AFL club roles again and it shows us just how bad things got at North before Buckley pulled the pin on Bard.

 

[Snake_Baker]

And this is where the club let itself down and why so many people got sacked post Scott.

When a key employee goes rouge/apathetic/disgruntled then the other senior personnel need to step in quickly - that clearly didn't happen here. Joyce/Delina et al weren't up to it and Buckley was in Sydney.

None of Bard's merry men will end up in AFL club roles again and it shows us just how bad things got at North before Buckley pulled the pin on Bard.

THE BOARD FAILED THE CLUB!

Why?

ZERO football oversight.

 

[Mav]

THE BOARD FAILED THE CLUB!

Why?

ZERO football oversight.

So Glen Archer has ZERO football oversight?

Whatever, twerp.

 

[SMaturin]

It's why you can win premierships training out of portable sheds, IF you have top notch fundamentals.

 

[Hazey1977]

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The information was garnered in 2013, not necessarily the trade

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[King Corey]

The information was garnered in 2013, not necessarily the trade

No wonder he barely plays, he's not been on our list for the last 6 years.

 

[SunnyBoner]

Wait, so players weren't punctual for meetings BEFORE now? Piss poor if that was the case.

These players are being paid bucketloads, they can't pull themselves away from a gaming console to get to a meeting on time?

Kids these days!

This is really mind blowing if true. A professional sporting organisation which preaches a high performance culture accepts this sort of behaviour? Bard lost me when he rebuked Swallow for taking on Hodge and co after they attacked Goldy in a game but this really is next level mediocrity.

 

[RobZombie]

This is really mind blowing if true. A professional sporting organisation which preaches a high performance culture accepts this sort of behaviour? Bard lost me when he rebuked Swallow for taking on Hodge and co after they attacked Goldy in a game but this really is next level mediocrity.

I heard directly from players earlier in Brad's time that he'd cracked down on slackness around meetings and training. It's not unique to Shaw, though it looks like he's ramped up the consequences. Things may have changed later on with Brad and there have been some suggestions around here that they did. That would be consistent with the general vibe around the last couple of years.

He can't win though.

When you're going well it's strong unified leadership. When you're going badly you're a petty tyrant.

When you're going well you're a good delegator who trust and empowers your professional assistants. When you're going badly you're detached and out of touch.

 

[Rod Stroker]

I heard directly from players earlier in Brad's time that he'd cracked down on slackness around meetings and training. It's not unique to Shaw, though it looks like he's ramped up the consequences. Things may have changed later on with Brad and there have been some suggestions around here that they did. That would be consistent with the general vibe around the last couple of years.

He can't win though.

When you're going well it's strong unified leadership. When you're going badly you're a petty tyrant.

When you're going well you're a good delegator who trust and empowers your professional assistants. When you're going badly you're detached and out of touch.

The only proof I need was that there were 5 senior coaching jobs up for grabs this year (4 excluding North) which is bloody rare for so much opportunity to be available in one year. Brad didn't get any of them, was hardly approached.

 

[King Corey]

I heard directly from players earlier in Brad's time that he'd cracked down on slackness around meetings and training. It's not unique to Shaw, though it looks like he's ramped up the consequences. Things may have changed later on with Brad and there have been some suggestions around here that they did. That would be consistent with the general vibe around the last couple of years.

He can't win though.

When you're going well it's strong unified leadership. When you're going badly you're a petty tyrant.

When you're going well you're a good delegator who trust and empowers your professional assistants. When you're going badly you're detached and out of touch.

The players joked last year about how turning up to meetings on time was considered being late and they started closing meeting room doors BEFORE meetings started. Though the references were to it happening during Walsh's time.

But fact of the matter is this sort of approach was already happening under Scott.