They'll trade a 2021 first round pick for a 2020 first rounder.If Lukosis wants to return to SA next year, they don’t have a first round pick either.
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They'll trade a 2021 first round pick for a 2020 first rounder.If Lukosis wants to return to SA next year, they don’t have a first round pick either.
They'll trade a 2021 first round pick for a 2020 first rounder.
Oh sure, not denying that. I guess I'm looking at it from the point of view of overall value.The bonus player at the high end in 2019 has directly cost them their 2020 first
How did they upgrade from 29 to 16? It cost them that 2020 1st.
It's not a bonus pick given they had a 2020 1st and now they don't.
They would also be hoping Taj Schofield or Lachie Jones improve giving them a free hit in the 1st rd next year.Using 29 on Mead is irrelevant.
They either were using that pick to match the bid, or trading it. Either way it wasn't a live pick for Port.
The big question is why did they spend their 2020 first to upgrade pick 29?
Their 2020 1st alone will likely be worth MORE than they received for the entire deal. Then they gave 29 on top of that!
Usually you give up two later picks to move up the order. Not a pick ahead of the pick you get back
Yeah that's fair. As I said, the value comes from whether Port believe pick 16 this year is better than their 2020 1st.Oh sure, not denying that. I guess I'm looking at it from the point of view of overall value.
Pick 29 holds/held little value for them, if they were going to use it on Mead and they can get Mead with points from later picks. As for the first - OK, they've effectively upgraded 29 to 16 at the cost of their 2020 first, while (sort of) keeping 29 in "value" terms.
So if their 2020 first is, say in the range of about 9, then it's cost them 9 for 16, which is a loss purely in terms of draft position, yes. And it's very unlikely their 2020 first will be in the 16 range, so yes, it's very likely to be a loss in those terms. But I can see the logic in going for some extra "cream" in 2019 depending on their views on the 2020 draft and the players they have their eye on in both drafts.
You can't make much of a case that it's a good trade in terms of raw draft positions, and maybe if it was me I wouldn't make that trade. But in terms of strategy over a couple of years... maybe.
I don't know if that makes any sense
The only issue is they have about 4 later picks they want to use (66, 67, 68, 71), but won't be able to unless they have the space on their list. This would mean they have to have 33 (max) on their list when it comes to the draft so they can use 7 picks at the draft.Finally someone who understands this .
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They will likely trade 2-3 of those for something next year IMO ... they should never have paid for Motlop and need massive seasons from Watts and Rockliff otherwise all three of those moves are very costly . They are not letting it get stale though and for that i think they will open up a big window of contending from 2021-22 onwards with players coming off the books in Boak , Gray , Dixon , and likely those other 3 mentioned not long after . They will flip some more mature players again at the end of 2020 if they miss finals continuing the super aggressive rebuild .The only issue is they have about 4 later picks they want to use (66, 67, 68, 71), but won't be able to unless they have the space on their list. This would mean they have to have 33 (max) on their list when it comes to the draft so they can use 7 picks at the draft.
They removed Broadbent, Johnson, Frampton, Howard, Ryder and Gray, and added Buzza, so if they started with 38, now have 33, so are in a good spot unless they add someone else to the list.
I like their strategy - 3 kids + Mead then go into the season with 38 unless they like a DFA
Other than salary cap, they really didn't pay much for Wots, Slops and Rocks. That said, I'd argue these three cost them Polec who was better than any of them, especially Slops who has been terrible (we dodged a bullet there). However, it was probably then that they said 'we aren't going to win a flag with this lot, let's make somes changes'. Credit to them, they are at least doing that.They will likely trade 2-3 of those for something next year IMO ... they should never have paid for Motlop and need massive seasons from Watts and Rockliff otherwise all three of those moves are very costly . They are not letting it get stale though and for that i think they will open up a big window of contending from 2021-22 onwards with players coming off the books in Boak , Gray , Dixon , and likely those other 3 mentioned not long after . They will flip some more mature players again at the end of 2020 if they miss finals continuing the super aggressive rebuild .
Agreed and nicely worded ... on the same page bud .Other than salary cap, they really didn't pay much for Wots, Slops and Rocks. That said, I'd argue these three cost them Polec who was better than any of them, especially Slops who has been terrible (we dodged a bullet there). However, it was probably then that they said 'we aren't going to win a flag with this lot, let's make somes changes'. Credit to them, they are at least doing that.
Once Dixon is gone they'll be better too. I'd have shipped him off before Howard personally, but then you need to have takers (see Hartigan v Keath)
I think everything they've done in the last couple of years, and this year, clearly says "aggressive rebuild", and rightly so, but the club won't say that out loud.They will likely trade 2-3 of those for something next year IMO ... they should never have paid for Motlop and need massive seasons from Watts and Rockliff otherwise all three of those moves are very costly . They are not letting it get stale though and for that i think they will open up a big window of contending from 2021-22 onwards with players coming off the books in Boak , Gray , Dixon , and likely those other 3 mentioned not long after . They will flip some more mature players again at the end of 2020 if they miss finals continuing the super aggressive rebuild .
Agreed , they are hedging their bets on the surface but in full rebuild mode behind closed doors which is a smart play IMO .I think everything they've done in the last couple of years, and this year, clearly says "aggressive rebuild", and rightly so, but the club won't say that out loud.
Top off their last few trade/draft periods with a new coach and they'll be (should be) back on track.
(And FWIW and I know Port aren't supposed to be our benchmark, but I believe we're not behind them, on balance. We've done better on the coaching front, but our yoof is largely untried, but... on balance, we're in a similar position.)
Watch the hips! Not what the arms are doing.I think everything they've done in the last couple of years, and this year, clearly says "aggressive rebuild", and rightly so, but the club won't say that out loud.
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I think our list has far better balance now.I think everything they've done in the last couple of years, and this year, clearly says "aggressive rebuild", and rightly so, but the club won't say that out loud.
Top off their last few trade/draft periods with a new coach and they'll be (should be) back on track.
(And FWIW and I know Port aren't supposed to be our benchmark, but I believe we're not behind them, on balance. We've done better on the coaching front, but our yoof is largely untried, but... on balance, we're in a similar position.)
So they can see how hard they ****ed themselves.WTH with North and Hawthorn pick swap?
North get pick 30 and give away picks 50, 73 and a future 2nd, most likely
And help Hawthorn out of a trading bind.
Well done Hawthorn.
North need the Viagra eye drops so they can take a long hard look at themselves.
Wonder what Lewis is going to do ?? I've been wondering who's in line to replace them...... hopefully not BigglesSo Jars and Lewis are gone from MMM, any idea what is happening to replace the Rush Hour?
They are wiser fromhis first attemptCoach Norwood
We can only hope.Coach Norwood
Is that from a Sturt perspectiveWe can only hope.
Thank god don’t have to listen to Jarman giggling his tiny brain outSo Jars and Lewis are gone from MMM, any idea what is happening to replace the Rush Hour?
Well it's certainly not a Norwood perspective, if I was a Legs fan I wouldn't want him near the club again.Is that from a Sturt perspective