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2nd Test; Australia v Pakistan @ Adelaide Over (D/N) November 29-December 3
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So 11 chances in the first innings. How many will Yasir give in the second.
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I reckon he's got a bit of a thankless job. Most of the time he's just there to bowl a heap of overs which pushes your average and strike out and then people ride him if he doesn't take wickets on the 4th/5th days. Most spinners can't tie down an end and average strike bowler numbers. That Warne could and did it as a leggie is why Warne is in all time XIs.
Lyon sits on 3.9 wickets per test level with Hazlewood, Starc is on 4.2 and Cummins 4.9 who all have better career figures.
Lyon's contemporaries are really Murali, Harbhajan Singh and Ravi Ashwin. Murali is in a league of his own, Turbanator has a comparable record to Lyon and played most of his tests in the subcontinent and Ashwin has a better record but is the David Warner of spin bowling.
The reality is he will never be in any GOAT XI because Australia picks 3 quicks and Shane Warne every time. But he's been pretty handy.
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Other than a freak like Muralitharan what offspinner would? Even a legend like Lance Gibbs averaged 29.
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Ravi Jadega has the lowest career average for an Indian offie. Once you let that sink in you realise that once you get past the Murali and Warne's of the world you have to look at a whole bunch of stats and do some analysis to assess a bowlers worth and put them in context.
Lyon stacks up pretty comfortably as one of our best ever slow bowlers and he has serviceable to excellent results all over the world on varying surfaces. That he isn't Warne seems to be crime enough in the eyes of many.
As an Australian it is good going. Australia an absolute graveyard for off-spinners. Even Murali only averaged 75 here. The important stat is the 368 wickets he has from his 92nd Test. That is 4 per Test. Nothing wrong with that, especially playing most of his Tests in Australia.
EDIT: Make that 369 wickets!
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I think something that probably hurts him a bit is that his record - I think - has either stagnated or possibly even regressed since Australia developed a world class three man pace attack
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Jadeja is a good bowler but his record away from spin friendly conditions is ordinary. Warner has nearly 7,000 runs @ 48, but I'm not trading him for Gilchrist who scored 5500 @ 47.
I think Lyon has been pretty good over a long period.
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Shaheen you absolute PLANK !!
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Shaheen wtf?
it is and you can’t fault his work here. One thing I would say is that the bounce over here helps him - players from everywhere bar SA come here and obviously take some time to adjust to the bounce the pacemen get but don’t underestimate the difference in playing Lyon here as well.
and that’s backed up by the fact that he’s averaged 40 and 58 in his two series here against SA, and 40 and 49 in 2 of his 3 series in SA (he took 4 wickets at 30 in the other).
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One thing that has to be remembered with spin bowlers averages is they aren't picked to have a better average than a pace bowler over the course of an innings but rather to have a better average than a pace bowler through overs 25-80. The new ball is essentially why almost all pace bowlers have better averages than spin bowlers but the two roles aren't really comparable.
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Good day at the office for Lyon, and just when it was needed for his bigfooty rep.
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