Can Hawthorn succeed while ignoring the elite end of the draft?

[Marcel Proust]

Awww it’s not fair Lynch went to the Tiges me sad and stuff

remember when you broke your self imposed salary restrictions to try get him?

 

[threesixpio]

remember when you broke your self imposed salary restrictions to try get him?

Nope.

But this fish getting away totally makes me salty. Wanted him. I have no shame saying it. Clearly a kick ass recruit for you guys.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Nope.

But this fish getting away totally makes me salty. Wanted him. I have no shame saying it. Clearly a kick ass recruit for you guys.

yes a very lovable character indeed

 

[threesixpio]

yes a very lovable character indeed

So marry him

 

[Marcel Proust]

So marry him

i wish

 

[Pessimistic]

remember when you broke your self imposed salary restrictions to try get him?

maybe that was a blocker? as with Cogs - 7 years? I dunno

Maybe the hawks just get used to raise the price - make buyers keen like with terry wallace the coach

 

[TylerDurden]

That's a complete myth.

For premiership players from the 2013, 2014, 2015 flags.

Already on the list in 2008

Max Bailey (2013)
Jarryd Roughead (2013, 2014, 2015)
Jordan Lewis (2013, 2014, 2015)
Sam Mitchell (2013, 2014, 2015)
Brad Sewell (2013)
Grant Birchall (2013, 2014, 2015)
Luke Hodge (2013, 2014, 2015)
Brent Guerra (2013)
Lance Franklin (2013)
Cyril Rioli (2013, 2014, 2015)


Drafted

Ryan Shoenmakers (2015) - Pick 16, 2008 AFL Draft
Liam Shiels (2013, 2014, 2015) - Pick 34, 2008 AFL Draft
Ben Stratton (2013, 2014, 2015) - Pick 46, 2009 AFL Draft
Taylor Duryea (2014, 2015) - Pick 69, 2009 AFL Draft
Issac Smith (2013, 2014, 2015) - Pick 19, 2010 AFL Draft
Paul Puopolo (2013, 2014, 2015) - Pick 66, 2010 AFL Draft
Bradley Hill (2013, 2014, 2015) - Pick 33, 2011 AFL Draft


Rookie Listed

Luke Bruest (2013, 2014, 2015) - Pick 47, 2009 AFL Rookie Draft (Promoted 2011 AFL Draft)
Matthew Suckling (2014, 2015) - Pick 81, 2009 AFL Rookie Draft (Promoted 2009 AFL Draft)
Will Langford (2014) - Pick 85, 2011 AFL Rookie Draft (Promoted 2013 AFL Draft)


Traded For

Josh Gibson (2013, 2014, 2015) - 2009 Trade Period. Pick 25, 41 for Josh Gibson & Pick 69
Shaun Burgoyne (2013, 2014, 2015) - 2009 Trade Period. Multi way trade Picks 9, 16, 97 & Josh Nay for Shaun Burgoyne.
David Hale (2013, 2014, 2015) - 2010 Trade Period. End of First Round Compensation Pick (Campbell Brown left via Free Agency to GC) & Pick 71 for David Hale & Pick 52
Jack Gunston (2013, 2014, 2015) - 2011 Trade Period. Picks 24, 46 & 64 for Jack Gunston, Picks 52 & 71
Brian Lake (2013, 2014, 2015) - 2012 Trade Period. Picks 21 & 43 for Brian Lake & Pick 27
Matt Spangher (2014) - 2012 Trade Period. Pick 64 for Matt Spangher & Pick 70
Ben McEvoy (2014, 2015) - 2013 Trade Period. Shane Savage & Pick 17 for Ben McEvoy.

Free Agents

Johnathan Simpkin (2013 - Sub) - 2012 Delisted Free Agent
James Frawley (2015) - 2014 Unrestricted Free Agent


In this time frame Hawthorn saw Lance Franklin, Campbell Brown, Clinton Young, Tom Murphy, Xavier Ellis all leave under free agency.

Seems the "Hawthorn threepeat relied on free agency" myth has been busted.

Close thread.

 

[Vindicater]

Pick 13 not elite end?

The answer is clearly the last pick before Hawthorns.

If Hawthorn has pick 11 then the top end is 10.

If Downie gets bid on at 3 next year then the elite end is top 2.

If Downie goes first then clearly the draft lacks elite talent.

I refer you to my old post.

Sorry. The elite section ended at 12.

 

[blaisee]

maybe that was a blocker? as with Cogs - 7 years? I dunno

Maybe the hawks just get used to raise the price - make buyers keen like with terry wallace the coach

or maybe Lynch/Cogs ect just realized going to a declining team as the messiah is not a very smart idea .

 

[Pessimistic]

or maybe Lynch/Cogs ect just realized going to a declining team as the messiah is not a very smart idea .

A bit of both I reckon

not sure what you rate the worst grand final effort ever as though

 

[blaisee]

A bit of both I reckon

not sure what you rate the worst grand final effort ever as though

not sure what you are on about,

 

[Slysh]

I prefer it when the oppo supporters truly believe free agency has helped the Hawks. Easy way to know they have 0 idea what they are talking about.

 

[Nugett]

*you’re
You are welcome
You are the Donald Trump of this thread, covfefe.

 

[WWSD]

I think the moderators should punish that chelseacarlton fool, but then I realised he goes for Carlton. That’s punishment enough.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

chelseacarlton



Enjoy.

 

[Gavin Excell]

chelseacarlton



Enjoy.

I note the score line where Carlton clearly have hawks measure until the violent bump occurs.

Mmmmm

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I note the score line where Carlton clearly have hawks measure until the violent bump occurs.

Mmmmm

Poor wittle marc wasn’t expecting contact.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Sorry for my honesty but I don't think Hawthorn are going to do too well next season.

 

[Slysh]

Sorry for my honesty but I don't think Hawthorn are going to do too well next season.

Yeah you have mentioned that.

Are you trying to convince us or yourself?

 

[QuietB]

Sorry for my honesty but I don't think Hawthorn are going to do too well next season.

Honesty and essendon

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Honesty and essendon

He’s created a spreadsheet that proves it.




Actually, it’s a photo of a copy of a spreadsheet.

 

[chelseacarlton]

I think the moderators should punish that chelseacarlton fool, but then I realised he goes for Carlton. That’s punishment enough.

Derpy derp derp derrrrrrp.... erp.

chelseacarlton



Enjoy.

You bastardos, I make eat very hot sauce one day, hands free.
Yeh, it was a good hit, raised his elbow slightly but not untoward I spose.
I await the day of my hot sauce hands free day, my vengeance will be complete.
That derpy guy though, hmmn, he’s all yours friend!

 

[Niggles]

I know plenty have had their say on this, but doesn't this refute the thread title? that the elite end of the drafts importance is diminshed?

Yes hawks have taken their luck, but you also need to be a consistenltly well run team.

even in 2001 when they 'got lucky' with the bumper draft, they also traded up, ie finished 4th not 4th last

Haha ya reckon. Yes, plenty of bites. Certainly hit my target audience = Insecure Hawks realising the sheer luck and timing of their arsey little run.

 

[Pessimistic]

Even recently, tigers could have three peated if they didnt let an yankee beanpole monster them

theres been plenty of teams who ‘coulda’ but only a couple have

 

[Jobe Watson]

Yeah you have mentioned that.

Are you trying to convince us or yourself?

Meh Hawthorn supporters have spent 350 pages trying to convince everyone they're still good.

I am of the firm belief that Hawthorn aren't going to play finals in 2020. No offence.