http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...bowling_average.html?id=12452;type=tournamentHaha must not have been paying attention. At what point though? O'Keefe and Hollard ended up at around the 28 mark for the season...
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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...bowling_average.html?id=12452;type=tournamentHaha must not have been paying attention. At what point though? O'Keefe and Hollard ended up at around the 28 mark for the season...
He gave it a few matches.You couldn't wait for 4th innings to finish before posting this topic?
Before the ashes i think the statline was 22 dropped catches(cant recall exact number it was around 20) off lyon in 2 years he then had stokes dropped multiple times and even in this test when people were whinging he had several dropped off his bowling, one series maybe it's no big deal and it evens out but it is something that has to be mentioned as the fielding off him is woeful and has been for a long time now, smith and warner in particular are awful close in catchers for the spinners.
O'Keefe has always regularly outperformed Lyon and pretty much every other spinner but was getting passed over for Xavier Doherty, presumably because he seems to be an alcoholic.
O'Keefe has always regularly outperformed Lyon and pretty much every other spinner but was getting passed over for Xavier Doherty, presumably because he seems to be an alcoholic.
I'm not suggesting he be dropped, more asking how he recaptures form, and if the batsmen have figured out a technique to quell his attacks (sitting back to negating his bounce) how does he counter that.
O'Keefe's record in tests is pretty good. Probably deserves more chance than he got.well it will be interesting come the sydney test if we go with a second spinner and 'rest' one of the quicks (with melb/syd) back to back.
there's also a 2 test tour to bangladesh mid year & there will be more than 1 spinner to tour.
lyon has been durable and only other spinners (currently playing) to play since his debut are :
o'keefe (9) - 1 in aust
holland (4) - all overseas
agar (4) - all overseas
maxwell (7) - all overseas
Lyon only just survived the post Hobart carnage of 2016/17, when we were bowled out by South Africa for 85 and almost half the side was dropped.Lyon has been fortunate that Steve OKeefe is seen as a prickly character.
Dont forget getting burnt by Paine's reviews.Before the ashes i think the statline was 22 dropped catches(cant recall exact number it was around 20) off lyon in 2 years he then had stokes dropped multiple times and even in this test when people were whinging he had several dropped off his bowling, one series maybe it's no big deal and it evens out but it is something that has to be mentioned as the fielding off him is woeful and has been for a long time now, smith and warner in particular are awful close in catchers for the spinners.
This.Before the ashes i think the statline was 22 dropped catches(cant recall exact number it was around 20) off lyon in 2 years he then had stokes dropped multiple times and even in this test when people were whinging he had several dropped off his bowling, one series maybe it's no big deal and it evens out but it is something that has to be mentioned as the fielding off him is woeful and has been for a long time now, smith and warner in particular are awful close in catchers for the spinners.
O'Keefe is as good a spinner as Lyon is (if not better), but he'll never be selected for Aust again.
Lyon has been fortunate that Steve OKeefe is seen as a prickly character.
O'Keefe has good test record - fc record is excellent.I think he’s even more fortunate that O’Keefe is so crap.
O'Keefe has good test record - fc record is excellent.
O’keefe is a very good bowler I just don’t think he is as good or better than Lyon as others are statin
FC bowling average of 24 is not up to your standards for a spinner in Australia?I think he’s even more fortunate that O’Keefe is so crap.
FC bowling average of 24 is not up to your standards for a spinner in Australia?
Well he's out-bowled Lyon in most of the tests they've played together, and he has vastly superior FC stats, but ok.No...he actually isn’t as good or better.
In the 9 tests they have played together, Lyon has 47 wickets at 27.85 and O'Keefe has 35 wickets at 29.4. Lyon has 4 x 5fa and O'Keefe has two, both in the same match.Well he's out-bowled Lyon in most of the tests they've played together, and he has vastly superior FC stats, but ok.
In the 9 tests they have played together, Lyon has 47 wickets at 27.85 and O'Keefe has 35 wickets at 29.4. Lyon has 4 x 5fa and O'Keefe has two, both in the same match.
As you were...
He out-bowled Lyon in the following tests:
#2140
#2198
#2250
#2256
And probably broke even in:
#2245
So in fairness, it's probably about even. I maintain that O'Keefe is a better bowler who would've done equally as well as, if not better than Lyon, esp in the SC.