Opinion Stephen Silvagni

[JustaBattler]

Your first two paragraphs are spot on, well said. Your third totally assumes that the club statement is the only reason, which surely you don’t believe.

Liddle decided that SOSs services as list manager were ultimately worth less to Carlton than the cost of what he has determined of SOS continuing.

I’m sure this decision wouldn’t have been made, unless there were other issues.

If we stick to known knowns as they say and assume that rational thinking was the dominant factor at play - that is a good starting point for 'reasonable' analysis. The rest is speculation - which characterised the discussion (me included) over the last couple of months.

On balance we lose a very capable list manager (for whatever reason(s)) the organisational task is to now replace him.

It is an unfortunate and frustrating situation for the Club to find itself in.

 

[JustaBattler]

Votes from whom exactly?
Maybe, just maybe it was easier to see one walk than for several to do so.

SOS knew he couldn't navigate through the situation, given what he had against him and not even his friend (MLG) could help him.

All in all, bad business from our club to allow....allow....things to get so out of hand.

Lets take a breath for a moment and accept at face value what the Club has had to say about the situation. It may very well be the case that despite best efforts and thinking and who knows how many discussions - that it became clear that managing the potential for any conflict was just not worth the effort or was going to be too hard - for the current management regime at Carlton.

If I was a Board member faced with the circumstances I would have two fundamental issues to concern myself with

1. How much longer was SOS prepared to stay at Carlton and how valuable was he given this time?; measured against
2. How disruptive the SOS issue to continued improvement in the business of managing Carlton?

not an 'easy' situation for anyone involved.

the only thing I can say with confidence speaking from experience in such matters - is that the exit was very poorly managed - my secretary( literally) could have done a better job, but that is a different conversation and the implications for Board and Management are pretty obvious.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Complains about leaks from SOS while here as a spokesperson for Liddle’s leaks.

Nah mate I’m just a carlton Internet nuffie like yourself and most others around here.

If you can’t take a step back and look at it wholistically, and truly believe that COI is the only reason, then it’s probably best you put me on ignore

The other stuff has no place on a press release and should be kept in-house, something I wish everything we do actually know about was as well. Denigrating a champion who has done so much for us both on and off the field is not something anybody would want, whether you like the bloke or not

 

[Robertio]

Did we create a new List Management structure just for SOS and are we going to keep the same structure in place when we find ourselves a new LM or is Agresta looking over his shoulder now?
Will the new LM want whatever Agresta really is - The LM's assistant.

I wonder whether SOS's mate Brodie, will be asked to hang around or be asked to move on by the new LM?

When will the next time be when Liddle fronts the media?
Right or wrong, he's now perceived as the person who killed Bambi. Not going to be many fans favourite for a while.
Not a great position to be in as a CEO and someone driving membership.

Will MLG front the media? That would be interesting.

Poor old Teague having to be the face of the club over the coming weeks, although the holiday period can't come soon enough for the CFC.

Liddle is a fan favourite, go look on the main board, all the Richmond supporters love him.

 

[murphster]

Silvagni's unnecessary departure a bad look for Blues

It is broadly agreed within Carlton that Stephen Silvagni did a fine job in reconstructing the club's playing list over the course of his time as list manager.

www.theage.com.au

Can someone please Outline this article it would be much appreciated. Thanks

 

[Stamos]

Liddle is a fan favourite, go look on the main board, all the Richmond supporters love him.

I dare say all the Collingwood and Essendon and Adelaide supporters love him too

 

[Gethelred]

I know it's the SOS thread, but this moment should be celebrated in all threads on all boards at all times!
Was sitting up behind the Geelong cheersquad, and nearly pulled the champagne from the gutted thermos and gave it to them after this happened. Sensibly (or boringly), I waited until half through the last quarter.
Never understood why Dr. Hook wrote a song about a Colin Sylvia smother, when they had Earls (or Buzz's in '81) to commemorate (albeit in advance). Stupid one-eyed supporters!

Very sneaky.

I approve.

 

[Faz 2000]

So I gather the external-to-Carlton view up to a month ago was that SOS is overrated, has done a sub-par recruitment job and missed major targets. Now his leaving is a disaster for the Blues and a demonstration of ongoing problems at the club.

There's no winning. Until there's lots of winning. Then every decision the club makes will be viewed like Hawthorn's, Geelong's Richmond's - ie. it must be correct cos they win a lot.

 

[mario bortallotto]

bang for buck and soft cap would of been a talking point id imagine with higher profile types being added to football department in recent times

 

[thylacine60]

Rating every trade and pick Stephen Silvagni made at Carlton

The great, good, the ugly and the mediocre: All of Stephen Silvagni's moves rated.

www.sen.com.au

 

[thylacine60]

Can someone please Outline this article it would be much appreciated. Thanks

outline.com

 

[AndyLucimitis]

So I gather the external-to-Carlton view up to a month ago was that SOS is overrated, has done a sub-par recruitment job and missed major targets. Now his leaving is a disaster for the Blues and a demonstration of ongoing problems at the club.

There's no winning. Until there's lots of winning. Then every decision the club makes will be viewed like Hawthorn's, Geelong's Richmond's - ie. it must be correct cos they win a lot.

Yep - as I posted on here a few days ago same thing happened with Brett Ratten. Was lambasted as a coach, part of the old boys network etc etc...

Until he got sacked at which point he morphed into Ron Barassi - despite seven years and as many other coaching jobs passing him by until the Saints this year.


Damned if you do - damned if you don't.

One of Jakes Nialls criticisms was that good clubs gives officials time to do their jobs and then quoted how we'd sacked three coaches - Ratten, Malthouse and Bolton too early. Ratten had 5 years, Malthouse 3 and a half and Bolton basically 4 years - how long do you have to wait exactly ???

Are North a 'good club' because they kept Brad Scott for 10 years ??

 

[TerryWallet]

I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned here before, but i'm sure i'm not the only one here who remembers Sergio Silvagni stepping down from his role as chairman of selectors citing COI now that his son was playing.

 

[LouderNowBlue]

I guess we will know what kind of administration we have after this members forum.

If they publish and answer questions in regards to this and front up and own it then they will at least have the balls to back themselves in.

If they vet out questions around it and try and ignore it then we are being run by a bunch of pea hearts who don’t give a stuff about the supporter base.

 

[HARKER]

Lets take a breath for a moment and accept at face value what the Club has had to say about the situation. It may very well be the case that despite best efforts and thinking and who knows how many discussions - that it became clear that managing the potential for any conflict was just not worth the effort or was going to be too hard - for the current management regime at Carlton.

If I was a Board member faced with the circumstances I would have two fundamental issues to concern myself with

1. How much longer was SOS prepared to stay at Carlton and how valuable was he given this time?; measured against
2. How disruptive the SOS issue to continued improvement in the business of managing Carlton?

not an 'easy' situation for anyone involved.

the only thing I can say with confidence speaking from experience in such matters - is that the exit was very poorly managed - my secretary( literally) could have done a better job, but that is a different conversation and the implications for Board and Management are pretty obvious.

Well said. Yes, it is a very difficult situation to navigate through and the course of action is, maybe ironically, the one of least resistance.

The fallout of SOS's departure will be with us for some time to come, but should have we gone the other way and cleared Liddle - I feel could have been a lot worse for the club as a whole, irrespective of who's right and who's wrong.

 

[mario bortallotto]

Rating every trade and pick Stephen Silvagni made at Carlton

The great, good, the ugly and the mediocre: All of Stephen Silvagni's moves rated.

www.sen.com.au

his ability to on trade and multi layer player trades and picks were second to none. It really showed up how lazy most of the afl media can be when commenting on his performance, at least this guy had a decent crack at the complexity of it as a whole .

 

[Stamos]

Well said. Yes, it is a very difficult situation to navigate through and the course of action is, maybe ironically, the one of least resistance.

The fallout of SOS's departure will be with us for some time to come, but should have we gone the other way and cleared Liddle - I feel could have been a lot worse for the club as a whole, irrespective of who's right and who's wrong.

SOS is out in a year anyway.
If things have descended to the level it appears, they should both go.

 

[TerryWallet]

I guess we will know what kind of administration we have after this members forum.

If they publish and answer questions in regards to this and front up and own it then they will at least have the balls to back themselves in.

If they vet out questions around it and try and ignore it then we are being run by a bunch of pea hearts who don’t give a stuff about the supporter base.

And if they air and publish the dirty laundry, the same people pleading for this will be the people decrying the media circus that it creates.

Tis the lot of a no win situation when a legend decides to leave messily.

Happened with Tuck, Brereton, Don Scott, Hawkins, Boomer, Choco, Hird etc etc etc etc

 

[LouderNowBlue]

And if they air and publish the dirty laundry, the same people pleading for this will be the people decrying the media circus that it creates.

Tis the lot of a no win situation when a legend decides to leave messily.

Happened with Tuck, Brereton, Don Scott, Hawkins, Boomer, Choco, Hird etc etc etc etc

so better they pot two kids?

 

[TerryWallet]

so better they pot two kids?

They didn't imo pot two kids at all. They identified a real COI of the person's contract they decided not to renew as a central issue.

We all know it's not the only issue, but it's a time honoured issue.

Anyways, the rage shall continue for the weekend at least.

 

[Macca43]

The COI is much less about who is selected in the team, and more about who is given contracts, years & $$$, who is let go, who is chased.

Aren't those things based on who gets selected in the team?

 

[Kramer1]

First of all Thank You SOS for all your hard work and dedication in building us a list that will hopefully contend for many years to come.
While I am disappointed to lose SOS and in the way it was handled, the fact is he was already discussing an exit strategy with the Pres for when his contract was up before the whole Liddle incident reared it’s ugly head, the statement released was obviously a load of old bollocks but what’s done is done.
I just hope that we all can now move on and get back to the job at hand and forget about recriminations or calls for sackings or especially calls for the replacing of our President who has done a great job getting this club into a great off field and fiscal position while in the most part keeping the place harmonious and strife free, which we all know is not an easy task at the CFC, so the last thing we need is for supporter disharmony which will only lead to the media jumping in and laying the boots in again as they have so enjoyed in the past, this in turn will lead to others with more clout than us calling for change and then we will be back to where we started and all the good work that people like SOS and Co have done will have been for nothing.

So I plead with all Carlton supporters to please put this behind us and look to the future or else we will be faced again with our dark and miserable past and that my friends we can not afford, so again please let it go, as much as you want to vocalise your frustration and angst at what has transpired we can not afford the disharmony at this point in time when we need to maintain our unity so that we can once again unfurl that premiership flag at our spiritual home at Princes Park. Thanks again SOS and Go Blues.

It's a good take...it really is. But the more I dwell on this, SOS aside, the club has just thrown two of its own players under the bus, rather than truthfully address an issue. This may be a new low...well, lets say since 2002 anyway.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Not sure if mentioned, but if you know anyone in the Private Schools footy system, they would laugh you out of the room if you suggested Tom Silvagni could be AFL standard one day. Let’s not let romance get in the way of reality.

I saw him play for Xavier 2’s the day my godson was playing for St Kev’s 1’s. AFL player he isn’t.

 

[mickelboy182]

They didn't imo pot two kids at all. They identified a real COI of the person's contract they decided not to renew as a central issue.

We all know it's not the only issue, but it's a time honoured issue.

Anyways, the rage shall continue for the weekend at least.

'Identified'.... It's a straw man argument and the club looks absolutely foolish citing it as the reason. No two ways about it.

 

[Stamos]

Aren't those things based on who gets selected in the team?

Not really.
But SOS had no influence on team selection, he was in charge of the list.