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Opinion Stephen Silvagni

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Accidental genius said:
Injured or not I can’t see how a few drinks is going to have any significant impact on their recovery or performance. I’d be surprised if a few drinks through the week would have more than 1% impact.
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Doesn't matter. The rule exists at all clubs, and is typically driven by the playing groups. Recovering from an injury - don't drink. It's pretty simple.
 

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Skull Face said:
A chain of

When your boss is a dickhead and the workers start talking about that good people start leaving, that is the situation we find ourselves in imo.

Events have been set in motion now that can not be undone, the club would do.well to get the boys back on side.
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When the "boss" is a senior executive who has next to nothing to do with your day to day, most staff couldn't care less if he's a dickhead.

On top of that, I'm still yet to see anything that convinces me that Liddle has behaved poorly.

Agree that the best outcome is for Jack and Ben to be supported b the club, but that doesn't need to come from the board, just the players. If in the day to day they feel like they're still valued and respected, they'll soon get back into the right rhythms. Question for you - do you reckon Cripps and Docherty are the type to kick them to the curb, or put an arm around them and remind them they're part of the next Carlton premiership side?
 
Blue__Balls said:
Agree that the best outcome is for Jack and Ben to be supported b the club, but that doesn't need to come from the board, just the players. If in the day to day they feel like they're still valued and respected, they'll soon get back into the right rhythms. Question for you - do you reckon Cripps and Docherty are the type to kick them to the curb, or put an arm around them and remind them they're part of the next Carlton premiership side?
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Definitely the latter.

Docherty went out of his way to applaud a player and give them a good pat on the back after a play earlier this week.
Cripps took Martin aside for a one-to-one also. Martin listened and seemed please for the advice.
Reckon our leaders may have learned plenty from the tumultuous period around Boltons sacking this year and will come through it stronger in will and wiser.

I just want us to treat our players by the same standard, regardless of their surname.....and what happens, happens.
 
Skull Face said:
When your boss is a dickhead and the workers start talking about that good people start leaving, that is the situation we find ourselves in imo.

Events have been set in motion now that can not be undone, the club would do.well to get the boys back on side.
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Your catastrophizing is growing tiresome.
 
Skull Face said:
You obviously didn't read the press release about silvagni departing.

I am not worried about Cripps and Docherty and their attitude towards the boys, I am worried the boys attitude will rub off on their mates in the team and then we are back to Bolton with Cripps dragging us along, how long before he says that's enough and heads home?
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I've posted plenty about what has gone down. Despite all the Liddle-hate, again, I'm yet to see anything that could only be taken as an indication of unprofessional behaviour on his part. You can have interpreted it whichever way you like, I've done the same. There is every possibility that the CoI issues were viewed as genuine, and any subsequent internal "disagreements" were a direct result.

It is impossible to know whether Liddle or SOS or both were "at fault" in regards to their behaviour. No matter how professionally it gets handled, you can't guarantee someone whose contract is not being renewed won't be upset/disappointed/angry, any of which are reasonable responses.
 

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smashbox gill said:
I’m getting less and less confident about Carlton everyday.
Just when everything was looking perfect, the same old Carlton sh^% happens with internal conflicts
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Seriously everyone has to relax - I'm not sure what else you want the club to do at this point in time? Good young playing list, TPP under control (thanks to SOS and a wider team no doubt), record membership, corporate sponsorship on the UP, profit, paying down debt faster than anticipated, shall we go on.

This whole SOS thing has been blown way out of proportion, if his name wasn't SOS no one could care less and thankfully those in charge are running the place rather than some of the fans who let the emotion of past glories cloud their judgement - Old Carlton we call that....you know the old club who snubbed their nose at everything because we won heaps of premierships in the old days, had great players that we paid for more than anyone else, we are Carlton Fuxk the rest mentality. The one that nearly crippled the place at the turn of the century because we thought we were bigger than the world!

Please spare me. Club is modernising, the boys club is gone, no one has more power than the next person just because they are the full back of the century and their dad played in a few flags in the 60s. Sorry that is the way it is with SOS - the god like mantra and nothing else.

Get over it, why are we still talking about it. Start talking football.
 
blueblooded said:
Seriously everyone has to relax - I'm not sure what else you want the club to do at this point in time? Good young playing list, TPP under control (thanks to SOS and a wider team no doubt), record membership, corporate sponsorship on the UP, profit, paying down debt faster than anticipated, shall we go on.

This whole SOS thing has been blown way out of proportion, if his name wasn't SOS no one could care less and thankfully those in charge are running the place rather than some of the fans who let the emotion of past glories cloud their judgement - Old Carlton we call that....you know the old club who snubbed their nose at everything because we won heaps of premierships in the old days, had great players that we paid for more than anyone else, we are Carlton Fuxk the rest mentality. The one that nearly crippled the place at the turn of the century because we thought we were bigger than the world!

Please spare me. Club is modernising, the boys club is gone, no one has more power than the next person just because they are the full back of the century and their dad played in a few flags in the 60s. Sorry that is the way it is with SOS - the god like mantra and nothing else.

Get over it, why are we still talking about it. Start talking football.
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You are posting in the Stephen Silvagni thread - in case you hadn't noticed.

There are lots of football threads you can visit on this forum. Go for it.

i'm here to be schooled by parrots on the meaning of conflict of interest.
 
blueblooded said:
...Please spare me. Club is modernising, the boys club is gone, no one has more power than the next person just because they are the full back of the century and their dad played in a few flags in the 60s. Sorry that is the way it is with SOS - the god like mantra and nothing else.

Get over it, why are we still talking about it. Start talking football.
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Not sure of the extent of your experience with CFC, but it's pre "Richmond bloke" modernisation via improved sense of belonging is seemingly at odds with its post Trigg messaging; which you seem to be promoting above. Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me again; shame on my dopamine cells. Embrace your club's legends, that's football.
 
Opine said:
Not sure of the extent of your experience with CFC, but it's pre "Richmond bloke" modernisation via improved sense of belonging is seemingly at odds with its post Trigg messaging; which you seem to be promoting above. Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me again; shame on my dopamine cells. Embrace your club's legends, that's football.
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Yes I embrace club legends - for their past performance on the football field - SOS included along with the rest of them. I'm in my early 30s and have been a member for over 20 years. I know the history of the club better than most and am well versed in Carlton history particularly in the post war era. A Carlton tragic most would say.

That doesn't mean I agree with the view that just because you are a Carlton legend it gives you the right to a bigger say in the administration of the football club.
 

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blueblooded said:
Yes I embrace club legends - for their past performance on the football field - SOS included along with the rest of them....That doesn't mean I agree with the view that just because you are a Carlton legend it gives you the right to a bigger say in the administration of the football club.
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What if you’re a reigning and current legend in LM, does it give you the right to have a bigger say on LM related matters than another admin exec at the club?
 
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Blue__Balls said:
Doesn't matter. The rule exists at all clubs, and is typically driven by the playing groups. Recovering from an injury - don't drink. It's pretty simple.
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I don’t see a problem with players having a drink or two on a special occasions particularly in the off season.

What was jack recovering from and how does 3 drinks (as a one off) impact on his recovery?
 
Accidental genius said:
I don’t see a problem with players having a drink or two on a special occasions particularly in the off season.

What was jack recovering from and how does 3 drinks (as a one off) impact on his recovery?
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Not a doctor, don't know. But the point stands that if the players have all sat down and discussed the standards they want to set, and one of those is "Don't drink while you're in a recovery period", then the potential effect on his recovery is completely irrelevant. It's about the playing group deciding what they stand for, and if an individual breaks the rules they pay the price. In this instance, the price is a few extra training sessions - hardly excessive.
 
Blue__Balls said:
Not a doctor, don't know. But the point stands that if the players have all sat down and discussed the standards they want to set, and one of those is "Don't drink while you're in a recovery period", then the potential effect on his recovery is completely irrelevant. It's about the playing group deciding what they stand for, and if an individual breaks the rules they pay the price. In this instance, the price is a few extra training sessions - hardly excessive.
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Every day of the week the players are recovering from something. Muscles, tendons joints take a hiding each training and game day. It’s an unrealistic rule.
 

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