Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[DesertRoo]

He was an Iranian military official leading and organising militias within another country in Iraq, so it isn’t murder in the more conventional/civil sense. Iran can’t really choose to complain when they have military operatives being killed in another country that they are supposed to be at peace with.

I tend to disagree, Iran and Iraq have every right to complain, it’s effectively killing of a general, by a third party, who’s in charge of foreign policy, visiting a neighbouring country.

Forget about Qassem history of violence for a second.

what do you think the Americans would do if a nation state all of a sudden shot Pompeo, during a visit to Canada.
It’s a complete act of war, that shifts from proxy into a full blown conflict.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I tend to disagree, Iran and Iraq have every right to complain, it’s effectively killing of a general, by a third party, who’s in charge of foreign policy, visiting a neighbouring country.

Forget about Qassem history of violence for a second.

what do you think the Americans would do if a nation state all of a sudden shot Pompeo, during a visit to Canada.
It’s a complete act of war, that shifts from proxy into a full blown conflict.

Feel free to disagree, I was writing fairly generally on my phone.

It is that history of violence, mass protests against Iranian influence and the prescense of proxy militias that reduces the right to complain, but I appreciate your point as the general was formally invited by the Iraqi government. When that general and his government are organising militias, who have killed Iraqi protesters complaining about Iran's influence, whilst on his visit (and his previous visit in October), then you cannot compare the good general to your Pompeo-Canada example. Just on your example, they probably would have done what they just did, assassination of the ringleaders.

It could result in a full-scale war, but unless Iran has Russia's backing (which cannot by 100% assured despite their 'friendliness'. Plus, the Russian military has a few weaknesses that would be badly exposed in a conventional war) or China's support (which is also debatable), Iran is not likely to resort to a full military response. Their proxy strategy continues to be working fairly well (in Syria and Iraq), so why not double down on that stratagem, rather than risk destruction.


In saying all that, the Iranians are having their own internal issues that aren't just related to sanctions or fuel, so they might use the bombing to galvanize the regime.


If we look at the last 5 decades of America's history with both Iran/Iraq, then they have every right to complain and even hate Washington with a burning passion, but that's another discussion.

 

[Val Keating]

GV covered

GV?

 

[giantroo]

 

[Val Keating]

So the US just assassinated him and then admitted it. Can they do that? The USA and Iran are not at war...... just makes it murder doesn't it?

International law doesn’t apply to the US

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

International law doesn’t apply to the US

They wrote a lot of those laws too. The good old global rules-based order, it’s why the yanks often get away with their hypocrisies when they commit them.

 

[koshari]

the betoota advocate nails it agian,

The townsfolk appeared to cheer as the Prime Minister left their town, after being overwhelmed by all of the love he was being shown by the residents who will remember this moment for the rest of their lives.

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/bre...lWCAuL2zpaV14hS_CUhImtjPj7YqeGxaNE2R9fM4CM1cc

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Who would want to be PM, not worth the stress and grief.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Who would want to be PM, not worth the stress and grief.

Abbott nails it. It really is a cult.

Tony Abbott, former Australian PM, tells Israeli radio the world is 'in the grip of a climate cult'

Israel Public Broadcasting Corporation foreign editor says listeners were angry at the airing of ‘extremist views’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hojuman]

the betoota advocate nails it agian,



https://www.betootaadvocate.com/bre...lWCAuL2zpaV14hS_CUhImtjPj7YqeGxaNE2R9fM4CM1cc

" we're not worthy, we're not worthy.........."

 

[Snake_Baker]

Now they're turning on each other.

'Greens betrayers of the environment': Labor, Greens at war over climate policy

Ten years on from a bitter battle over a rejected emissions trading scheme, Labor and the Greens are still fighting each other over who got it the most wrong on climate change policy.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Gorman2Geister]

Fire at Katamatite - hope all is well Gasometer !

 

[Snake_Baker]

Fire at Katamatite - hope all is well Gasometer !

There's bugger all to burn.

Gaso could handle it with a few buckets.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Now they're turning on each other.

'Greens betrayers of the environment': Labor, Greens at war over climate policy

Ten years on from a bitter battle over a rejected emissions trading scheme, Labor and the Greens are still fighting each other over who got it the most wrong on climate change policy.

www.theage.com.au

The extremist elements of the climate groups have really hurt the moderates attempts to deliver the message that they may possess a balanced solution.

They will always turn on each other, academics like Lindsay and co have been pointing out how there are some real Puritan and shaming types within the broader social justice and climate movements.

 

[Snake_Baker]

It's probably a good time to give this a run again:

'Power would have been cheaper': regrets and rancour 10 years after carbon scheme defeated

Australians would enjoy lower power prices today if Federal Parliament had not vetoed a plan 10 years ago to reduce the nation’s greenhouse gas emissions, according to those who fought to put the scheme in place.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Kanga Glory]

Lakes Entrance has been covered in smoke all week. There’s an eerie feeling about tomorrow.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Lakes Entrance has been covered in smoke all week. There’s an eerie feeling about tomorrow.

Okay, so how we attempt to "fix" this?

Take back burning seriously? Replace native plants with evergreens?

 

[Snake_Baker]

The Silent Giant: The need for nuclear in a clean energy system - World Nuclear Association

Nuclear power and nuclear energy information. Climate change, sustainable development, uranium mining, enrichment, nuclear electricity generation, nuclear fuel management, recycling and disposal, World Nuclear Association (WNA) and World Nuclear News (WNN).

www.world-nuclear.org

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

U.S just killing people in foreign countries because reasons.

 

[Kanga Glory]

Okay, so how we attempt to "fix" this?

Take back burning seriously? Replace native plants with evergreens?

There needs to be a clearing zone around the major roads - no trees should be within 50 meters of freeways. There needs to be 2 points of entry/exit, people need to adhere to fire safe instead of waiting till after the event.
Enough warning was given but everyone did f... all.
What’s happended will prompt change, I just hope it’s not too late for some towns.
You need to be here to see the impact

 

[Val Keating]

Who would want to be PM, not worth the stress and grief.

Scott Morrison. Problem is he’s excruciatingly bad at it. Worst leader I’ve seen in a crisis. Completely ballsed it up.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Scott Morrison. Problem is he’s excruciatingly bad at it. Worst leader I’ve seen in a crisis. Completely ballsed it up.

Yes and no.

There’s been a lot of lies, sensationalising and politicising during the entire saga, from both sides. It’s been nothing short of disgusting and has made me quite angry and frustrated, so that’s why I’ll leave it alone for now.

 

[Orange Peanut]

There needs to be a clearing zone around the major roads - no trees should be within 50 meters of freeways. There needs to be 2 points of entry/exit, people need to adhere to fire safe instead of waiting till after the event.
Enough warning was given but everyone did f... all.
What’s happended will prompt change, I just hope it’s not too late for some towns.
You need to be here to see the impact

Good luck KG.

I've got a relative in Lakes who has decided to stay at home, while his wife has left to stay with family in Melbourne. He says there is cautious optimism that Lakes might be ok, otherwise he has to hightail it to the beach/lake.

Scary scary times.

 

[Kanga Glory]

Good luck KG.

I've got a relative in Lakes who has decided to stay at home, while his wife has left to stay with family in Melbourne. He says there is cautious optimism that Lakes might be ok, otherwise he has to hightail it to the beach/lake.

Scary scary times.

Thanks OP, it’s very serious. We are staying also, we should be ok but in case embers start coming in I want to protect from that.

 

[Val Keating]

Yes and no.

There’s been a lot of lies, sensationalising and politicising during the entire saga, from both sides. It’s been nothing short of disgusting and has made me quite angry and frustrated, so that’s why I’ll leave it alone for now.

And no? What has he done right? He’s completely cocked it up. Zero leadership skills.

Edit- I also don’t know what you mean by lies from both sides? We only have one PM.