Which means there is something very wrong with this era.
Edited: No player currently 30 or younger has won a major
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Which means there is something very wrong with this era.
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That's great. We're talking about winning majors, not making finals.
Maybe tomorrow is Thiem time.
The thread title does not state winning a slam as the only way to have achieved something in the sport.
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The thread title doesn't state... give me a spell.
The thread was created when no player under 27 had even won a Masters title. That has changed. The anomaly that persists, however, is that no player currently aged 30 or younger has won a major. That's what we're talking about. For you to say "well making a final is a thing" is neither here nor there.
As I said, thiem is the only player 30 or under to have made 3 slam finals. It clearly is "a thing."
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In the meantime, no player currently 30 or younger has won a slam. That is anomalous. Your data point is unrelated.
Nice moving of the goal posts in the middle of a debate
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What's the debate?Nice moving of the goal posts in the middle of a debate
I'm simply stating a fact and your response is unrelated to that fact.
I've edited the thread title to reflect that the previous one no longer applies.
"no player under 27 has achieved anything"
That was the thread title. My point argued that statement and firm in my belief of what thiem has achieved. Happy to agree to disagree though.
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And it was true at the time but young players have since won Masters titles. Read the OP. Zverev has won three.
The anomaly now is that no one 30 or younger has won a major.
I'm not sure what your argument is with that purely empirical statement.
Thiem time is cancelled, 32 yo wins another Grand Slam.
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Thiem isn't far off.
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The game has changed!
Just give him a few more years, he's really getting so close.
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There's been no window of opportunity.
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Now with poll!
Is there an option for selecting a current player once they turn 30?
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No. Because that won't end the anomaly. They have to be in their 20s when they win.
Here's a semi-interesting stat: in history, there have been 13 Grand Slam titles won by players aged 32 or older. Of those, 7 have been won since the start of 2017.
Think about that. In tennis history until just over 3 years ago, there had been only 6 majors won by guys aged 32 or older. Ken Rosewall had 4 of them in the 60s and 70s. Andres Gimeno, who I've never heard of, won the 1972 French at 34 and Andre Agassi won his last Australian Open at 32 in 2003. Not many over the course of 40-odd years. But in the 3+ years since, there's been 7. And the 6 other majors won in that time frame were by guys 30/31.
The Big 3 have shared 13 slams in a row. They did 18 between 2005-09 but they're basically just as dominant 10 years later despite all being well over 30.
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Another tournament, another example of a younger player getting through one member of the big 3 but falling to the next one.
They are close to indestructible.
Make that 13 slams in a row.
They are close to indestructible.
Make that 13 slams in a row.
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I am still waiting, Pliskova.
Crazy how much has changed in 2 years in the WTA. No Serena has opened it up to even younger players. Ostapenko, Osaka, Barty, Kenin.
Or we could have a winner from the 2000's in Andreescu
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I don't think even many of the big 3 have won a slam by beating the other 2. I think only Novak has done it.
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Wawrinka beat 2 of them en route to winning a major. He did it twice.
Is that too high a bar for all the guys in their 20s trying to win a major? Wawrinka did it twice but it's still impossible for everyone else?
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Nadal did it 3 years in a row at the French (many moons ago).
But I mean that is the point, it’s a huge task to penetrate through all of them.
