About 70% i reckon.I wonder how it would look if you removed the Carlton years from the ledger.
He was great for North in time he was there.
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About 70% i reckon.I wonder how it would look if you removed the Carlton years from the ledger.
For me it has. He spoke so much s**t one day it was torture to put up with him knowing there was zero hope of any real development whilst he was there.
He was excellent with the under 19's players he developed and then had as senior players at North. It is like that group of players , coach and specific game plan was perfect for each other.
Still he blew the 98 grand final and should have won at least 3 premierships with that group of players. But 2 premierships is still success so he still had success as a coach in one era but beyond that he did not do anything special so he reputation was ruined in terms of being flexible coach that can coach well with any group.
Personally I think anything good Denis Pagan did will eventually be attributed to Michael Christian.
He also had a brilliant strain of one liners - "you can't go up to Puckle Street and buy a jar of confidence" - that are legendary.
This is exactly what I mean about the Carlton shitshow damaging his reputation.
He's a two time premiership coach and as demonstrated above, has been a constant in the flags of the last decade.
Yes, Adam Simpson is a ripper, but having meet Adam myself, I actually see Simpson whilst influenced by that period under Pagan, is really his own man in way he coaches.That is true - but as I've shown above, that era didn't stop there, given the links of contemporary successful coaches to him.
Ploise eggsplain.
The sayings is most memorable thing about him. Had some real funny old fashioned sayings."Dont piss down my neck and tell me its raining". Not his originally, but the only time ive heard it at a presser
Christian/Pagan gag. Too subtle?
Ahhhhhh, sorry, bit slow today.
Now it has been slowly explained to me, I agree, its a good gag.
Yes, Adam Simpson is a ripper, but having meet Adam myself, I actually see Simpson whilst influenced by that period under Pagan, is really his own man in way he coaches.
I think Simpson has way more depth to him than Pagan and could coach different sets of players well. Pagan did not sadly.
Good question.Why give a coach credit for anything at all?
Still he blew the 98 grand final
Not sure a side kicking 8.22 can be blamed on the coach.
He's the coach. he had a chance at half time to correct the situation. It only got worse...Not sure a side kicking 8.22 can be blamed on the coach.
Concluding with five losing seasons hammers a legacy
It's a shame that the way he ended probably tarnishes his legacy in the eyes of many. I daresay this was probably put to him on Open Mike in between the questions about dealing with Carey rooting the captain's wife and how much he was on. It's hard to imagine him giving much of a rat's about it though.
Can't agree with that.Yeah, ruins it.
Pagan pissed all over himself.
Can't agree with that.
And the only reason Sheedy's legacy was enhanced by gws was because it was a start up. If he'd gone to Carlton, shudder, and had the same results as Pagan his legacy would still have taken a hit despite being more successful than Pagan to begin with.
Never let anybody DOMINATE you, clearly Sheedy never ventured down to the hell fire club on a SaturdaySheeds work at GWS enhances his legacy imo,