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Dodgers going big, Boston cutting a lot of cash & their fans will probably feel like s**t at dropping out of contention so quickly
This was embarrassing by Crane...
Well, he IS a known Donald Trump fan....It would be hard to tell lie after lie or evade answering questions and not made a dick of yourself
I'm not an avid fan of baseball, but I've watched a fair bit of it over the years. I really don't understand why stealing opponent's signs is considered cheating. I've read how the pitcher's advantage over the batter is the element of surprise. But to me, it seems absurd to get upset about batting teams zeroing in on the catcher's signals (or the batters themselves taking a peek.)It would be hard to tell lie after lie or evade answering questions and not made a dick of yourself
I'm not an avid fan of baseball, but I've watched a fair bit of it over the years. I really don't understand why stealing opponent's signs is considered cheating. I've read how the pitcher's advantage over the batter is the element of surprise. But to me, it seems absurd to get upset about batting teams zeroing in on the catcher's signals (or the batters themselves taking a peek.)
What other sport in the world polices the game in this manner? I suppose parallels could be drawn with the NFL banning teams from filming each other - the so-called "Spygate" controversy, but I always thought that was complete horseshit too (and I'm not even a Patriots fan).
It just seems ridiculous to outlaw teams from watching the catcher and telegraphing his signal to the batter. It just weird... Like if the AFL made a rule banning players from eavesdropping on the opposition runner. Surely if teammates (in any sport) are going to use signals to communicate with each other then their opponents have the right to read them as well.
1) Why don't catchers and pitchers invent their own signals and mix it up from inning to inning instead of being dumbasses and using the same signals which literally everyone has used for over 100 years?
2) If this is really such a big deal, then why don't they allow catchers and pitchers to use technology to communicate with either other? e.g. the pitcher could wear an earpiece and the catcher could use a small electronic device (an ankle bracelet) to tap morse code or whatever. Or instead of an earpiece, the pitcher could get a simple LED display on a small tag on his shoe, or on a band around his wrist.
Teams have been trying to steal signs since Babe Ruth was a mere sprog swimming around in the bottom of his dad's ball bag.
It's a never ending game of cat and mouse where teams try and get an advantage over each other and they're constantly creating complex systems and changing them to disguise signs - even in the lower leagues and at amateur level. They all do it and they will continue to do it until the end of time as we know it.
The only reason it's a big deal this time is because Houston got caught out and it's created an awkward elephant in the room type issue for MLB. Nothing will change except the MLB governing body might make a ra ra show-me type gesture to save face and then it will be resume normal programming.
Its also a bit of the cricket mentality that its not in the sprit of the game. Sure, you have a runner at 2nd base then try and see their signs and relay them to the batter (thats fair play as they are in the game and pitches/catchers usually change up their signs). But using TV coverage and hitting a bin to tell the batter what pitch is coming is cheating and should be penalised for it. But like anything like this, the Astros wont be the only team doing it or something along these lines, but they won the world series and are being held accountable while other teams just get away with it.
Hopefully ends it for a couple of years before someone else comes up with another method.
Exactly.
I can’t tell you the amount of people who think what the Astros did is the same thing as a runner standing on 2nd base and relaying to the batter with a signal what the catcher has called. It isn’t the same thing, the latter is a perfectly legal thing. What the Astros did is cheating by installing a CF camera for their cheating practices and when someone says “everyone cheats like that”, I don’t think so.
And so it begins.
“We have been working on for some time a memorandum about being hit by pitches, intentionally throwing at batters,” Manfred told ESPN’s Karl Ravech. “It’s really dangerous, really a dangerous undertaking, and completely independent of the Astros investigation we will be issuing at the beginning of this week a memorandum on hit by pitches which will increase the ramifications of that type of behavior.”
Manfred gets that players will be pissed at the Astros but I wonder if players would have been less pissed if the trophy was vacated. Manfred in barely punishing Houston might have created a monster and now has to go into bat for them.
But some of accusations from last couple of years against other teams hasn’t just been signs from second base.Exactly.
I can’t tell you the amount of people who think what the Astros did is the same thing as a runner standing on 2nd base and relaying to the batter with a signal what the catcher has called. It isn’t the same thing, the latter is a perfectly legal thing. What the Astros did is cheating by installing a CF camera for their cheating practices and when someone says “everyone cheats like that”, I don’t think so.
And so it begins.
“We have been working on for some time a memorandum about being hit by pitches, intentionally throwing at batters,” Manfred told ESPN’s Karl Ravech. “It’s really dangerous, really a dangerous undertaking, and completely independent of the Astros investigation we will be issuing at the beginning of this week a memorandum on hit by pitches which will increase the ramifications of that type of behavior.”
Manfred gets that players will be pissed at the Astros but I wonder if players would have been less pissed if the trophy was vacated. Manfred in barely punishing Houston might have created a monster and now has to go into bat for them.
But some of accusations from last couple of years against other teams hasn’t just been signs from second base.
Like I posted earlier Mickey Callaway and Mets called out Dodgers last season. Didn’t present evidence(but Dodgers never took action) but opined that they have a system in place. ESPN had a Brewers source that suspected same thing. The MLB was so concerned with several teams that they released a memo to all teams not to use technology for signs. Luhnow and the Astros could have acted then and possibly avoided all this.Red Sox, yes. Yankees? It is just speculation that it has happened with other teams. I think cheating electronically isn’t as rampant as we’re led to believe but maybe that is me just being naive.
Rob Manfred has warned pitchers off throwing high and in to Astro's batters. Any perceived 'revenge pitching' is an auto-ejection.
This is gonna get worse before it gets better.
Yep.Dont punish any actual cheaters, just those who are pissed off at those who cheated and got away with it.
26 man squad this year - have one pitcher whose job is to throw at an astros batter if im playing them
Yep.
Honestly, if I'm pitching to Altuve early in the season, I'm aiming about 2" behind his helmet and taking the ejection. And I guarantee there'll be pitchers who think the same. Trevor Bauer comes to mind.
Yep.
Honestly, if I'm pitching to Altuve early in the season, I'm aiming about 2" behind his helmet and taking the ejection. And I guarantee there'll be pitchers who think the same. Trevor Bauer comes to mind.