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Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *
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boncer34
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Uh. Thanks I guess?"Victoria’s government is bracing for up to 2,000 intensive care admissions at the peak of the pandemic here, expected in late May or early June. The state only had about 475 ICU beds before the crisis developed, compared with about 875 in NSW."
'Jeff's Shed' earmarked for giant COVID-19 hospital and morgue
The conversion of the Melbourne Convention and Exhibition Centre would follow the lead of other cities, such as London and New York.www.theage.com.au
Not agreeing with reality is a common pro-Trump theme. Yes, the timeline shows he put a travel ban in place and then did not much really but talk down the threat for the next month. The criticism turned out to be on point. He didn't prepare adequately and his country is now suffering for it.
If you wanna ignore facts, then we have nothing further to talk about. Good luck with the trying months we have ahead.
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Hurts getting cooped at home with no sport....
Usually it's the best time of the year where NBA playoffs and AFL collide
Usually it's the best time of the year where NBA playoffs and AFL collide
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Of course, and I read it at the time I quoted from it and couldn't see one sentence of bullshit. You made the claim. Why can't you back it up with a single statement from him that justifies your claim? The only rationale I can think of is that there isn't one you can pinpoint and you've had second thoughts about your original erroneous invective. Why else would you waste so much bandwidth trying to justify your original point without quoting a single thing he said that you could hang your hat on. If the case for your original claim is as strong as you keep saying why can't you do this??
Stop wasting my time.
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I've been guilty of it, there's a lot of name calling going on. In the words of ScoMo. Stop it.
You're entitled to an opinion, yours may differ and you may feel others are ridiculous but let's just be a bit more civil.
You're entitled to an opinion, yours may differ and you may feel others are ridiculous but let's just be a bit more civil.
I’m confident we will see Medical advances that help significantly in the short term.
Quick testing is a GAME CHANGER.
Better treatments will be found.
They have developed and designed a cheap mass production Ventilator at Oxford.
There will be break throughs.
Until then the government need to get serious.
Quick testing is a GAME CHANGER.
Better treatments will be found.
They have developed and designed a cheap mass production Ventilator at Oxford.
There will be break throughs.
Until then the government need to get serious.
https://fortune.com/2020/03/04/china-coronavirus-travel-restrictions/
Definitely the right move, but without putting their hand up and admitting how wrong they were to oppose the travel bans that were put on China in the first place, it really is a piece of ugly hypocrisy.
Definitely the right move, but without putting their hand up and admitting how wrong they were to oppose the travel bans that were put on China in the first place, it really is a piece of ugly hypocrisy.
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I think that it was wrong of trump to promote an untested drug. The transcript and tweets are available online. Clearly the woman who acted on the comments interpreted them as good advice when they were not.
What i didnt like about your original post is that it felt to me that you were implying that she deserved what happened to her and her husband, which i didn't like because to me it seems like needless death and I was surprised at what seemed to be a lack of compassion. I should have better articulated that.
Now is a good time to take the medical professionals seriously, in my opinion. I sincerely hope trump and more to the point our own scomo do so from now on
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Totally ignore. And if he responds to a post, ignore again.
He and his cronies are as much a piece of work as their beloved CCP
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One of us is indeed struggling with reality. Shall we take a poll of the readers to determine which one of us that is?
January 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President.
January 31: The Trump Administration:
- Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.
- Announced Chinese travel restrictions.
- Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.
February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government.
February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus.
February 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs.
February 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington.
February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine.
February 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials.
February 12: The CDC was prepared to travel to China but had yet to receive permission from the Chinese government.
February 14: The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus.
February 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections.
February 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.
February 26: President Trump discussed coronavirus containment efforts with Indian PM Modi and updated the press on his Administration’s containment efforts in the U.S. during his state visit to India.
February 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications.
February 29: The Trump Administration:
- Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea.
- Barred all travel to Iran.
- Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days.
March 3: The White House announced President Trump donated his fourth quarter salary to fight the coronavirus.
March 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of approximately 500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.
March 4: Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus.
March 6: President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak.
The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions.
March 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus.
March 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing.
March 11: President Trump:
- Announced travel restrictions on foreigners who had visited Europe in the last 14 days.
- Directed the Small Business Administration to issue low-interest loans to affected small businesses and called on congress to increase this fund by $50 billion.
- Directed the Treasury Department to defer tax payments for affected individuals & businesses, & provide $200 billion in “additional liquidity.”
- Met with American bankers at the White House to discuss coronavirus.
March 13: President Trump announced:
- Public-private partnerships to open up drive-through testing collection sites.
- A pause on interest payments on federal student loans.
- An order to the Department of Energy to purchase oil for the strategic petroleum reserve.
- Granted Roche AG an emergency approval for automated coronavirus testing kits.
- Issued an emergency approval to Thermo Fisher for a coronavirus test within 24 hours of receiving the request.
March 14: The Coronavirus Relief Bill passed the House of Representatives.
March 14: The Trump Administration announced the European travel ban will extend to the UK and Ireland.
March 15: President Trump held a phone call with over two dozen grocery store executives to discuss on-going demand for food and other supplies.
March 15: HHS announced it is projected to have 1.9 million COVID-19 tests available in 2,000 labs this week.
March 15: Google announced a partnership with the Trump Administration to develop a website dedicated to coronavirus education, prevention, & local resources.
March 15: All 50 states were contacted through FEMA to coordinate “federally-supported, state-led efforts” to end coronavirus.
March 16: President Trump:
- Held a tele-conference with governors to discuss coronavirus preparedness and response.
- Participated in a call with G7 leaders who committed to increasing coordination in response to the coronavirus and restoring global economic confidence.
- Announced that the first potential vaccine for coronavirus has entered a phase one trial in a record amount of time.
- Announced “15 days to slow the spread” coronavirus guidance.
March 16: Asst. Secretary for Health confirmed the availability of 1 million coronavirus tests, and projected 2 million tests available the next week and 5 million the following.
March 17: President Trump announced:
- CMS will expand telehealth benefits for Medicare beneficiaries.
- Relevant Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act penalties will not be enforced.
- The Army Corps of Engineers is on ”standby” to assist federal & state governments.
March 17: President Trump met with tourism industry representatives along with industrial supply, retail, and wholesale representatives.
March 17: Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin met with lawmakers to discuss stimulus measures to relieve the economic burden of coronavirus on certain industries, businesses, and American workers.
March 17: Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue announced a partnership between USDA, Baylor University, McLane Global, and Pepsi Co. to provide one million meals per weak to rural children in response to widespread school closures.
March 17: The Treasury Department:
- Contributed $10 billion through the economic stabilization fund to the Federal Reserve’s commercial paper funding facility.
- Deferred $300 billion in tax payments for 90 days without penalty, up to $1 million for individuals & $10 million for business.
March 18: President Trump signed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, which provides free testing and paid sick leave for workers impacted by the coronavirus.
March 18: President Trump announced:
- Temporary closure of the U.S.-Canada border to non-essential traffic.
- Plans to invoke the Defense Production Act in order to increase the number of necessary supplies needed to combat coronavirus.
- FEMA has been activated in every region at its highest level of response.
- The U.S. Navy will deploy USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy hospital ships.
- All foreclosures and evictions will be suspended for a period of time.
- 1 million masks are now immediately available.
- The Army Corps of Engineers is in NY consulting on how to best assist state officials.
March 18: President Trump spoke to:
- Doctors, physicians, and nurses on the front lines containing the spread of coronavirus.
- 130 CEOs of the Business Roundtable to discuss on-going public-private partnerships in response to the coronavirus pandemic.
- Very encouraging progress shown by anti-malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine for fighting coronavirus.
- Carnival Cruise Lines will make ships available for use as hospitals in impacted areas to use for non-coronavirus patients.
March 19: The State Department issued a global level 4 health advisory, telling Americans to avoid all international travel due to coronavirus.
March 19: President Trump directed FEMA to take the lead on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response & visited FEMA HQ with Vice President Pence for a video call with Governors.
March 20: The U.S. and Mexico agree to mutually restrict nonessential cross-border traffic.
March 20: Secretary Mnuchin announced at the direction of President Trump that tax day will be moved from April 15 to July 15 for all taxpayers and businesses.
March 20: President Trump:
- Spoke with Sen. Schumer about coronavirus response & stimulus measures
- Held a call with over 12,000 small business owners to discuss relief efforts
- Announced the CDC will invoke Title 42 to provide border patrol with tools to secure the borders
- Not enforce standardized testing requirements for the remainder of the school year
- Allow federal student loan borrowers to stop payments without penalty for 60 days
- FEMA is coordinating and assisting coronavirus testing at labs across the country
- The CDC is suspending all illegal entries to the country based on the public health threat, via Section 362 of the Public Health & Security Act
March 21: Vice President Pence announced to date over 195,000 Americans tested for coronavirus and have received their results
March 21: The Trump Administration announced HHS placed an order for hundreds of millions of N95 masks through FEMA
March 21: The FDA announced it had given emergency approval to a new coronavirus test that delivers results in hours, with an intended rollout of March 30
March 21: Adm. Giroir confirmed 10 million testing kits had been put into the commercial market from March 2 through March 14
March 22: President Trump approved major disaster declarations for:
- Washington State
- California
- Governors will remain in command of National Guard forces & the federal govt will fund 100% of operations cost
- He directed the federal govt to provide 4 large federal medical stations with 2,000 beds for CA & 1,000 beds for NY & WA.
March 22: Vice President Pence announced:
- The testing backlog will be resolved by midweek/
- To date, over 254,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received their results.
March 22: FEMA issued guidance for tribal governments to seek federal assistance under the President’s emergency declaration.
March 23: President Trump signed an executive order invoking section 4512 of the Defense Production Act to prohibit the hoarding of vital medical supplies.
March 23: VP Pence announced:
- 313,000 Americans were tested for the coronavirus & received results.
- FEMA established a supply chain stabilization task force so Americans get supplies they need.
- HHS will have commercial labs prioritize testing for hospitalized patients.
- Advance coronavirus research.
- Provide access to computing technology and resources for researchers.
- The Justice Department held a National Task Force meeting on hoarding and price gouging.
- Each of the 93 U.S. Attorney General offices is designating a lead prosectuor to prevent hoarding.
March 23: The Treasury Department announced it is working with the Federal Reserve to lend up to $300 billion to businesses and local governments.
March 24: President Trump announced the Army Corps of Engineers & the National Guard are constructing four hospitals and four medical centers in New York.
March 24: President Trump approved a major disaster declaration for the state of Iowa related to the coronavirus outbreak.
March 24: Vice President Pence:
- Confirmed FEMA sent New York 2,000 ventilators.
- Announced individuals who have recently been in New York should self-quarantine for 14 days.
March 24: The U.S. Army issued orders for three army hospitals to deploy their health care professionals to New York and Washington state, at the direction of Secretary of the Army Ryan McCarthy.
March 25: President Trump approved major disaster declarations related to the #coronavirus outbreak for:
- Texas
- Florida
- North Carolina
March 25: President Trump signed a bill reauthorizing The Older Americans Act, which supports senior citizens by providing meals, transportation, and other crucial services.
March 25: Vice President Pence
- Held a conference call with equipment manufacturers to discuss on-going coronavirus response efforts.
- Announced 432,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus and received results.
- Confirmed 4,000 ventilators were delivered to New York.
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(1) It's not 'untested'. (2) If you think he promoted it, do you think Cuomo did likewise when he ordered close to a million doses of this and other drugs while also providing positive commentary on them?
"It felt to" you that I was "implying" ... gee can you be any more definitive? Lot's of qualifying statements gushing forth now.
Regardless of what you 'felt' I didn't imply any such thing. I said the incident was regrettable. My point was that her actions since the incident, to completely pin the blame on Trump rather than admit any of her own culpability were narcissistic. I stand by everything I said.
You've probably seen the below batshit crazy conspiracy doing the rounds on social media.
"Wake up sheeple!"
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So.... what? Gill just communicated a necessary reality.
If Gil caused the players to lose money through a negligent error, act or omission then we are going somewhere with compo.
You would probably have to prove that the threat created by the virus wasn't real or that isolation doesn't work and Gil was aware of that.
If the AFL got some sort of compo (perhaps out of thin air) then they would morally have to look at sharing it.
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I was trying to use diplomatic language so as to not rile you up any more.
I continue to think that he, and anybody else, should not have promoted a drug that has not been clinically tested for use as a covid 19 treatment. It was irresponsible and unnecessary.
We should probably agree to disagree on that and move on
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Well don't feel like you need to pussyfoot around on my account. If you think I said she deserved what happened to her, please pinpoint where I did so.
Here's the results from one French study of hydroxychloroquine. There's also results available for a Chinese study for chloroquine.
Yes it hasn't been subject to a Randomised Clinical Trial for Coronavirus. It has been for a number of other conditions though. If it didn't show promise then New York authorities wouldn't be injecting it into Covid-19 sufferers as we speak.
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Society just wont cop that, they'll take the deaths because you would see unemployment at numbers that havent been seen before and we dont want to see what we do to each other then. The virus is deadly, its not erase society as we know it deadly and an 18 month lock down would erase modern society
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Fully private health system perhaps? There would be so many poor (who are the most likely to become infected) who wouldn't be able to afford treatment
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What a mess.
These are dates in question, from the travel ban announcement to the claim of a Democrat hoax. A lot of words and dates here and not much substance. The CDC handling of test kits and lack of testing was an utter balls up, that's not all on Trump though, and nor are all their actions a pin in his lapel.
So what's left on this vomitus list. He talked to governors? He chatted to Modi? The request for funding from congress was his only real action, on Feb 24th while neck deep in the valid criticism he went on to label a hoax.
A nice attempt at gaslighting to include his claim to “take all necessary steps” and yet exclude the bevy of false claims he made in this timeframe.
I won't be responding to you again. Your ability to think critically and objectively is clearly compromised for whatever reason. But by all means start a poll. If you consider such results as reflective of reality, it may be worthwhile to shake you out of your delusion.
Take care of yourself and your loved ones. Now is not the time to be so easily misled.
Double edged sword is that they can have hospital insurance tied to their employer, which they then lose when they are sacked due to the employer closing down in response to the virus.
ICU recovery rate generally speaking for Covid-19 is 50%.
Bingo the majority of Americans can’t afford their healthcare
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We do not know if negative test with no symptoms means true negative or low level carrier which could then be infectious later (with or without symptoms)Interestingly according to this article, UK has ordered 3.5m home Covid-19 test kits!! Our Government seems to work in thousands not millions
Anyway, if these become readily available seems the best was fwd to me is to go into total lockdown for 2 weeks and then whoever has tested negative gets to go about their business again!
Sounds draconian but maybe some sort of wrist band you wear to show you've tested negative? Eg. a cafe owner who has tested negative could then re-open and know that his customers has also all tested negative.
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